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March 1, 2011 10:00:29 PM

Alrighty guys, just joined the forum and will be here for a while until i finish my computer. gonna order the parts in June, after schools out. need help now so i wont have to worry later. Hope you guys can help :grin:

Current setup...

CASE
Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PROCESSOR
Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOTHERBOARD
ASRock P67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since everything will be bought in June, I’ll wait for Newegg for new restocks of 1155 mobos

SSD
120GB SSD
Gonna wait till June till I buy everything. Hopefully SSD’s go down in price by then

GRAPHICS CARD
EVGA Superclocked GTX 570
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
Any good GTX 570 card. Recommendations? That’s my budget, no GTX 580 :’(

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
750gb Caviar Black. Its only like $20 cheaper...

POWER SUPPLY
Corsair 750W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
Cougar CMX 700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or any other good suggestion. Is 750W enough for this setup?

RAM
Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Any other performance memory at 1600mHz? suggestions plz

COOLER
COOLER MASTER V8 Rifle CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
which is better? Or better suggestion?

CD/DVD/BLU-RAY
Asus CD/DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
LG Blu-Ray Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

KEYBOARD
Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or other EXTREMELY good keyboard. Red and black looks nice with the case

MONITOR
LG 23” FHD Monitor 2ms
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
its getting cheaper every week... needs to look decent for suggestions :p 

WIRELESS ADAPTER
Linksys Wireless N Adapter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
yea... this is where I am confused. Best wireless N adapter for desktop? No cables in my room for setup...


KK case is permanent. will not change unless seriously better. processor also unchangeable. core i7 best there is. MOBO will be determined after intel fixes the chips and newegg restocks. SSD is for boot... maybe. Really want the SSD. I use hard drive A LOT. Graphics, probably gtx 570 is best. radeon 6000's HD dont look as promising... HDD is only about $80, so doesnt matter much. Caviar black probably best for daily use. Need help on PSU. don't know good wattage, and need suggestions for decent priced and reliable. RAM is basically those 2. Looked it up a bit, and those look the best. but which is better? Cooler... eh... need some help here as well. those 2 or suggestions. gonna need both the cd/dvd burner and blu-ray player. those look best. monitor looks good, price decent, within $230 price range is best. 23'/24' Keyboard basically good, unless theres better suggestions. NEED SERIOUS HELP ON WIRELESS ADAPTER. sorry bout caps, but idk anything about that. theres no cable for internet in my room, so need 300mb/s wireless N??

also i can get Win7 64-bit Ultimate from my dad. he works at a university so he gets it for $30 :D 

alright sorry 'bout the long post, but i need help. hopefully ill know what im doing when i order in 3 months

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March 2, 2011 5:08:58 AM

win 7 ultimate $30..?
please, can i have one :o ??
(Seriously can I??)
now to helping you on the build.
*(this is gonna be a long post)


CPU
First, unless your doing lots of video editing work, photshop, CAD, C4D, 3dsmax.. etc... and using programs that benefit from hyperthreading. Do NOT get a 2600k YES they are good, but save a $100 and put it towards a better GPU, im assuming your going to be mainly gaming. Grab a 2500k they can EASILY be OC'd to over 4.7 ghz on a decent air cooler. As iv'e said unless your working with professional programs, or workstation-esque programs, I highly advise you switch to the 2500k. Put the cash towards a 580 (which i feel is what you really want.)

Motherboard
Here are a couple that i recommend (Just google them :p ) you can decide which you want.

ASRock Extreme4 P67 - $160

ASUS P8P67 PRO - $190

Short list eh? i know.
but really unless your spending 200+ on a mobo, dont change from these two.
they ARE the best P67 boards under $200.

SSD

Certain SSD's will drop in price the drives out now/older drives should drop because of the new sandforce controller offering read/write times of 500mb/s+
while the current ones usually are around 285/205 read/write.

The newer will be a considerable upgrade to the current ones.

I recommend when you do build you look at the Vertex 3's which the 120GB model should retail for about $250 (current Vertex 2 retails for $220 price should drop.)

GPU
Actually for the same if not less there are two cards that beat the GTX 570
The:
6950 2GB $300
and
6970 2GB $370

the 6950 2GB's BIOS can be flashed to that of a 6970 giving it the same performance for $70 less, as the 6970 is better than a 570 it beats it.

HDD

Grab a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB $69.99
just like the WD Caviar black, but $30 less.

PSU
In all honesty this is the most important part of your build.
a crappy PSU can destroy the thousands you put into it.
700w is plenty enough to currently run your build, but i recommend atleast 750w-850w for upgrading purposes. Your PSU runs the most efficient at 50% - 60% of a full load this when you get the best performance out of it and it will be its quietest.
Next thing about PSU's is do you want modular, or Semi- Modular, or Non-Modular, or extremely quiet, or do you not care about sound?
Modular means that you can unplug ALL the cables from the PSU (think of this as a luxury), Semi- Modular means the main cables that you will almost always use are hardwired into the psu while the other cables can be unplugged, and non modular, every single meaningless, and important cable is hardwired into the PSU (not fun for managing cables, nor is it good for cooling)

Recommendations(All are Modular, All are GREAT):
750w
Silverstone ST75F - $129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Black Edition 750w - $129
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Higher - End 750w

Corsair 750HX - $141
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seasonic X750 GOLD - $169
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAM
Your choices of RAM i cannot get behind.
Mainly cause of the CAS Latency.
The CAS on DDr3 RAM is between these numbers 6-10
the Ram you chose is CAS9, Sluggish RAM.
Think of it this way,
There are two people racing and you've got to make a bet, One guy has 6laps to finish around the track, while the other has 9. who are you gonna put your money on? Obviously the one with less laps the CAS 6-8 RAM.
I would never recommend high CAS unless your on a budget.
First off you only really need 4GB's of RAM for a gaming build, but if you want 8GB then Grab one of these.

Patriot Viper Extreme CAS 8 $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G Skill Ripjaws X Series CAS 8$135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G Skill Ripjaws X Series CAS 7$150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd personally grab the CAS 8 RAM, but the CAS 7 RAM will perform slightly better.

Cooler
Hyper 212+ that thing is AWESOME

[/b]Optical Drives[/b]
Shoul'd note the Blu-Ray Burner you chose isn't a burner, only a drive.
you also only need one not both. A Blu-Ray burner will be able to Burn DVD's.

Lite-On Burner $-100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



*From here on i can't really give anymore advice only recommendations on them*

Monitors
Asus VH238H - $189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

50 Million : 1 Contrast Ratio, LED Backlit. 2ms response time BEAST of a monitor.

Keyboards
Personal Preference
i think the Saitek Cyborg V5 is just as good if not better than the Sidewinder x4.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Other Stuff

Im 99.9% sure that All 67series motherboards come standard with b/g/n/ integrated on them.

EDIT: I'm stupid. it's not integrated.

heres an adapter though :D 
ASUS PCE-N13 IEEE 802.11b/g/n
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Can you give a hard budget though? would be much easier to help you out.
also in the future post in this format.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

it helps a considerable amount :) 
anyways if there any questions let me know and i'd be happy to help you.


EDIT 2:It's also late where i live (California) and if there are any grammatical errors i blame them on being tired,
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March 2, 2011 6:30:54 AM

boyang1724 said:
Alrighty guys, just joined the forum and will be here for a while until i finish my computer. gonna order the parts in June, after schools out. need help now so i wont have to worry later. Hope you guys can help :grin:


KK case is permanent. will not change unless seriously better. processor also unchangeable. core i7 best there is. MOBO will be determined after intel fixes the chips and newegg restocks. SSD is for boot... maybe. Really want the SSD. I use hard drive A LOT. Graphics, probably gtx 570 is best. radeon 6000's HD dont look as promising... HDD is only about $80, so doesnt matter much. Caviar black probably best for daily use. Need help on PSU. don't know good wattage, and need suggestions for decent priced and reliable. RAM is basically those 2. Looked it up a bit, and those look the best. but which is better? Cooler... eh... need some help here as well. those 2 or suggestions. gonna need both the cd/dvd burner and blu-ray player. those look best. monitor looks good, price decent, within $230 price range is best. 23'/24' Keyboard basically good, unless theres better suggestions. NEED SERIOUS HELP ON WIRELESS ADAPTER. sorry bout caps, but idk anything about that. theres no cable for internet in my room, so need 300mb/s wireless N??

also i can get Win7 64-bit Ultimate from my dad. he works at a university so he gets it for $30 :D 

alright sorry 'bout the long post, but i need help. hopefully ill know what im doing when i order in 3 months


First off stick with the low voltage RAM (1.5v or less) for the fact every review site on these 1155 mobo's say the same thing...they work better with low voltage RAM. Stick with that G.Skill you have listed. The Corsair is over priced, and those giant cake cutter heat sinks it's sporting does nothing but get in the way of the cpu heat sink. Also RAM timings mean ZERO in regards to o/c these SB cpu's. Sans the reason those giant RAM h/s with these SB builds are nothing more than a gimmick. Before these 1155 mobo's came out, it used to be a peep needed fast RAM to get a decent o/c on their cpu....loosen the RAM timings, move up the FSB and off you went. Those days are over with now...thank god for that for the fact nobody's having to blow a wad on RAM now. Corsair is using the same gimmick OCZ did a few years back...stick giant h/s on the RAM and peeps will think it's cool and buy it. Also these boards revert back to 1866mhz no matter what.

Now for the h/s. That CM V8 was nothing more than a over priced paper weight the day it came out. The CM 212 you have listed is a middle of the road h/s, but at least it's priced right....that and these cpu's run cool anyways. But if your going to fork out $60 on a cpu cooler, look at the Scythe Mugen II for around $40...or even some of the Xigmateks.

PSU... two of those o/c 570's are going to require some juice, especially if you plan on o/c your cpu. Look at the Seasonic 850w OEM for $130 & free shipping on newegg. Personally I would go with the Antec 750w True for $100 + free shipping on newegg, and throw two Gigabyte o/c gtx 560's ($244 @ newegg) in that build right off the bat. Screw adding another card later.

CPU... unless you have proggy's that are really going to benefit from that 2600K...it's a hose job for the fact the real deal cpu's (22nm Ivy Bridge) are coming out in less than a year from now and with a bios flash these P67 boards will run them. Rumor's are those chips o/c to 6.0ghz or better. If your going to blow some dough on a cpu...that's the one to do it on.

Hard Drive...look at superbiiz (great site btw) for the Samsung F3 1tb for $60 and free shipping. It's faster than that WD you have listed, and it's cheaper. Also check Amazon for components...lately they have been beating newegg on the prices...not to mention the free shipping.

As for the mobo...that Asrock is a dandy :)  It's got to be the bargain of the year.
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March 2, 2011 5:29:28 PM

Do yourself a favor and just get that asus motherboard instead of the asrock.
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March 2, 2011 6:01:58 PM

abswindows7 said:
Do yourself a favor and just get that asus motherboard instead of the asrock.

Better yet post why so we all know why to spend $40 more on the Asus Pro.
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March 2, 2011 6:57:22 PM

You get a quality brand instead of a junk that won't last.
I speak form experience, paying for premium is now the bare minimum I do for my builds.
No more cheappy parts.
Asrock, Foxconn, Biostar etc... I stay away.
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March 2, 2011 7:14:18 PM

abswindows7 said:
You get a quality brand instead of a junk that won't last.
I speak form experience, paying for premium is now the bare minimum I do for my builds.
No more cheappy parts.
Asrock, Foxconn, Biostar etc... I stay away.

Asrock today isn't the same as it was four or even five years ago. They have gotten their sh*t together so to say. Now they are offering free two year warranty's on their new 1155 boards. I have an Asrock X58 extreme that runs like a champ. Albeit it doesn't o/c as well as some of the more well known brand boards, I couldn't pass it up at the time when it was going for $50 cheaper than other boards in it's class.
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March 2, 2011 10:07:34 PM

abswindows7 said:
You get a quality brand instead of a junk that won't last.
I speak form experience, paying for premium is now the bare minimum I do for my builds.
No more cheappy parts.
Asrock, Foxconn, Biostar etc... I stay away.


ASRock is a subsidiary of ASUS, it's quality parts for less just because you got one bad board doesn't mean everyone else did,
these aren't foxconn parts, and if you really paid for foxconn you deserved whatever you bought.
Biostar is also a great brand for cheaper builds.
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March 2, 2011 11:29:44 PM

Sandy Bridge runs colder... you're not going to need a CPU cooler unless you overclock.

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March 3, 2011 4:20:52 PM

Cheap build = cheap parts.
I've never owned/thought buying a ASRock or Biostar and won't ever.
Quality parts for less, explain me how you can achieve that ?
By cutting on QA, by cutting of caps by swapping them for cheap ones etc...

+1 for the above statement
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March 3, 2011 11:38:15 PM

Cheap Build = Cheap Parts?
okay lets try this $600 budget. Cheap by most standards right?
AMD Phenom II x4 955 -$130
ASRock Extreme3 870 -$90 1st Review Found of the board after a google search
EVGA GTX 460 SE 1GB - $160
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB - $55
Optical Drive- $20
NZXT Gamma - $30
GSKILL 4GB DDR3 1600 - $50
Corsair CX430 PSU - $19
Total Price $554
Cheap Build with what must be cheap parts right?

You've also just contradicted yourself. You just said your speaking from experience with buying cheaper parts, but you just said you've never owned a board made by any of the fore mentioned brands.
Quality parts for less? simple.
ASRock extreme4 P67 -$160
ASUS P8P67 Pro -$190
they offer the same features, yet the ASRock boards does it for $30 less.
Don't worry you can go check the features of both the boards to compare them. I won't know.
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