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December 28, 2010 7:30:33 AM

The Plan: Build personal gaming desktop

The Games: Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Natural Selection 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Day of Defeat: Source, other various Valve games.

The Performance: I would like to run BC2 on AT LEAST middle to moderately high (preferably between middle and highest) settings and receive swell performance (70+ fps). If this is possible, the other games should be a breeze to run.

The Budget: I do not intend to pay more than $250 for a graphics card, yet I am open to any feedback on options within $200-$300 range.

The Preference: My spidey sense tells me nVidia, though I am open to any feedback regarding either nVidia and ATI/AMD.

If I am missing anything, inform me. I am open to suggestions or advice regarding any brand, and I am also open to general advice regarding my project as well.

Thanks.

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December 28, 2010 7:49:31 AM

How cool does it run? Im kicking myself for not mentioning something originally, but I would not like a hot system at all.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 8:23:18 AM

Heat given off is directly related to the amount of power used by a card. Any high end card is going to use a good amount of power. The current Nvidia cards are not very power efficient. If you want something that is power efficient while still delivering good performance I would recommend the HD5850 or HD6950. If you do unlock the HD6950 however or start overclocking either card with a voltage increase they will use substantially more power and give off more heat.
December 28, 2010 8:28:44 AM

Ah right. Well I definitely will not be overclocking anyway. I understand the card will make alot of heat, I just get paranoid that it might burn out. Also, I am assuming a 650 watt supply will provide enough juice. I really appreciate your help.
a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 8:37:51 AM

It's like this article was written for you.

look at the temp and power if your intrested.

And yes 650 watt will be enough if it is a high quality power supply, what brand is yours?
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 8:51:28 AM

Premiumgoodale said:
Ah right. Well I definitely will not be overclocking anyway. I understand the card will make alot of heat, I just get paranoid that it might burn out. Also, I am assuming a 650 watt supply will provide enough juice. I really appreciate your help.

Well even the Fermi(Nvidia) card are designed to handle the amount of heat they produce so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Plus the latest generations of video cards have good power scaling so when not actually being used for gaming they underclock themselves and use very little power/give off very little heat.
a c 212 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 8:57:36 AM

The asus card jy mentioned is a great buy for $198. For $50 more, the 3% factory OC just doesn't seem worth it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here's a build I did about a month and a half ago .... prices may be outdated

Case - $90 - Coolermaster HAF-922 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - Later - CM Red 200 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $120 - Corsair HX750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $200 - Asus Sabertooth http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $295 - Intel i7-950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $110 - 3 x 2GB Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $220 - EVGA GTX 460 SC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Same
HD - $55 - Seagate 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - Later - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $19 - ASUS 24X DVD Writer http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $190 - ASUS VH242H1920x1080 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $45 - Logitech G110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $30 - Logitech MX-518 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That came to $1519. Changes I'd make today are:

The Asus 470 for $198 gives better performance at $22 cheaper.

That will require upping the PSU to 850 watts though so as to accommodate a 2nd GFX card in SLI at a later date. Never going to overclock ? Wow, I'd have t see a custom built gaming rig that isn't OC'd is a rarity. No need to OC to the extreme where potential long term effects might exist.....however the MoBo will take you to BCLK 160 with a single click and I'd at leats reserve the ability to do so.

To OC and use twin GFX however requires a high quality PSU. Adding the Corsair HX850 adds some $$ as it's $170 for a case / PSU combo of $280. The Antec DF85 full tower ($180) w/ CP-850 ($120) then becomes a viable alternative.

Alternately, the XFX Black Edition is only $120 and an equal to both of those PSU's. However if ya sure ya not going to OC .... ever, a Corsair TX or Antec TP will serve as the 850 watter. If sticking w/ 1 GFX card, a EA-650 or TX650 will do just fine.


a c 376 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 9:05:01 AM

Yeah, at least OCing the processor is a very good idea. Particularly the i5 or i7 tends to overclock easily and well. There is pretty much no real reason not to as it is very safe unless you do crazy stuff like jacking the voltage all the way up on the stock cooler and ignoring temps. Even then the current processors have built-in safety features that should kick in before you manage to damage anything.
December 28, 2010 3:36:58 PM

Thank you for that article! And also, I have not planned on OCing the processor unless I do get a separate heatsink & fan. I should have just posted my build ideas originally and could have saved you wonderful people some time.

So here it is:

Case - Antec Three Hundred -
CPU - Intel Core i3 550 Dual Core -
Graphics Card - Asus ENGTX 470 -
RAM - 4gb Crucial -
MOBO - Intel P55 Micro ATX -
PSU - Antec 650w -
HDD - WD640 -
CD/DVD - Dont care, I never ever write dvds. Ill get something simple and cheap, LiteOn or maybe Asus.
Monitor - My Vizio tv bahaha! No really, please tell me if this is a bad idea!

Nothin too fancy here and I feel like I know what I can get away with sacrificing without hindering what I am looking to do. I might up a few things like the CPU since I luckily wont be paying for it, but I love to compete with myself on trying to build an awesome machine while spending as little as possible. I plan on this lasting me a while with as few upgrades as possible, though I dont know why, I guess it is just the way I am.

I just posted this to give you an example of my thought process and such: I dont see the need to build a $1500 machine when I can build something similar, but acceptable for ~$700. I do appreciate your input though, highly! And also, I do not mean to criticize your suggestion, I am just letting you know how my purchasing thought process works.

Again, thank you for your suggestions and assistance! Feel free to help more on the components I have listed.
December 28, 2010 3:40:17 PM

And sorry, I did not manage to figure out how to make cool clickable links like you guys.
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 6:20:33 PM

You just tried too hard. You make the clickable links by just pasting them. The site does the rest.
I would definitely up the CPU to a quad core, preferably an i5 but a Phenom II x4 would also be a good choice for the money
This ram is cheaper, faster and comes equipped with heat spreader;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This hard drive is the same price, larger and the fastest you can buy for a reasonable price;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I would not recommend an Intel motherboard. There are better brands and often Intel boards don't even allow for the option of overclocking. If you can afford a bit more this Asus board is full ATX with more room for expansion/upgrades and has several more current features like USB 3.0 and 6 g/s SATA;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here it is an a combo with an i5 to save some money;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
December 28, 2010 8:14:44 PM

Thanks! And thanks for those links... you patrol newegg like nobody I have ever seen. How is the quality of that RAM? I chose crucial because that is the only brand my manager would use when I built computers for customers back in the day, and there were NEVER any memory-related issues (or issues with our computers at all) with our customers.

I appreciate your help. This has gotten to be quite interesting and informative for me, for I was thinking I could build a ballin machine for $600! I suppose I was just stuck in the glory days of working for an awesome local computer repair shop back in 2007 :kaola: 
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 9:36:05 PM

Just check out the feedback on the ram, it's top notch. Crucial is a good brand but there are some other good ones as well.
You can build something quite good for $600 but parts like the GTX 470 and an i5 are fairly high end and high end will require a bit more. What you can do is gather parts over time. Sign up for newegg's mailing list. A few times a week they will have new sales so keep an eye out for the best deals on parts you are interested in. Keeping an eye on the available combos is a good idea as well as they will change over time too. If it's still a bit more than you can spend scaling back to a Phenom II x4 system can save probably about $100 if you find a good combo.
Oh yeah, the TV as a monitor... it's fine for gaming but for normal computer usage you may not like it. Is it 1080p and if so what size is the screen?
December 29, 2010 2:26:22 AM

If its fine for gaming then thats all that matters. Regular computing is minimum and I would rather be doing something else, or gaming ;) . $800 is no problem at all, I would not like to go over 900 though, and the system I have "made" thru newegg is fantastic, thanks to your intelligent feedback. I have an i5 quad and gtx 470 no prob and I feel great!

Thanks for your help, and keep on helping others, brother!
December 29, 2010 3:32:27 AM

Premiumgoodale said:
The Plan: Build personal gaming desktop

The Games: Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Natural Selection 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Day of Defeat: Source, other various Valve games.

The Performance: I would like to run BC2 on AT LEAST middle to moderately high (preferably between middle and highest) settings and receive swell performance (70+ fps). If this is possible, the other games should be a breeze to run.

The Budget: I do not intend to pay more than $250 for a graphics card, yet I am open to any feedback on options within $200-$300 range.

The Preference: My spidey sense tells me nVidia, though I am open to any feedback regarding either nVidia and ATI/AMD.

If I am missing anything, inform me. I am open to suggestions or advice regarding any brand, and I am also open to general advice regarding my project as well.

Thanks.



Do you play dod:s in FDL? Just curious because I don't see many people reference dod:s on this forum other than me ;) 

BTW I run an AMD phenom II x4 and even when I had my horrible ati 5770 I was @ about 200 - 250fps on texture maps in dods. I then had a 5870, 6850 and finally got a gtx 570. The 470 is a good choice. Since I went to nVidia graphics, I won't ever go back :) 

BTW I gotta give +1 to the ripjaws, especially if you get an AMD system. Mine clocks @ 1333 w/ timings of 7/7/7/24. Stable.
December 29, 2010 4:22:01 AM

HAHA Man I have no idea what you just said about FDL and and 7/7/7/24. I am a nub. 200 fps is not bad at all though, and once my fps goes above 60 I cant tell the difference. You'll laugh at my current system... a LAPTOP LMAO!

2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T8100
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450
3gb DDR2

Thats all I need to say for a good laugh. I can run dods fine (40-60fps) on that, but it will heat my laptop up after a good while.

My specialty is the mg42, and I tell ya... I am very deadly with it, especially on anzio. I usually rambo the hell out of allies on that map, and i have a few tricky deploy points, but im usually on the move ramboing.
December 29, 2010 5:20:36 AM

hehe well the 7/7/7/24 is the cas latency/timings of the RAM. AMD prefers lower latencies from what I've found, but higher frequency may be beneficial of Intel. IDK.

FDL is the competitive DoDs league, teams of 6v6. Pretty nerdy I know lol.
The league used to be CAL, then XPL, now FDL.
The 570gtx will pull 400fps on stock maps, and you may not notice a difference above 60, but my accuracy and shot registration are better w/ higher fps.

My best weapon is the m1, and I alternate between heavy (support) and rifles in matches.

Anzio is one of the best stock maps (not my favorite) but when I do play in pubs it is usually on a Anzio, Aregentan (my favorite map) or Donner server. Check this video sometime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DoFgTcoxkU&feature=play...

Add me through Steam if you want account Myrgatroid.

Goodluck!
December 29, 2010 2:59:42 PM

Next time I log Steam i will add you. I dont think I was a part of XPL of FDL, but I do know that my old clan was a part of some match league in the summer of 09. Devils Brigade. An old member restarted the clan in DoD:S and I loved being a part of it. Unfortunately, many of our members had real world issues and priorities to attend to and now we are back to being inactive. Ill check that video later today as well as add you, man.

Also, I know Sandy Bridge is releasing soon, should I wait to buy my processor until then? I probably will have to make a post like this again since I am not building until my laptop is about shot.
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 3:11:04 PM

Yeah, wait for the new processors. For now you seem to have the basics of what you are looking for so like I suggested earlier picking components up over time by keeping an eye on the sales can save you a good amount of money.
December 29, 2010 11:14:53 PM

if you look around you can get a a full system with a i5-760, 4gb of 1600 ram, and a hd6870 for around 850$... at least that was what i paid back in November when i built my new pc
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