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Dorothy Bradbury wrote:
Below a see a lot of bullshit and no facts. Sorry, but if that's your pitch
you blew the sale and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
>> So please provide a reference to tests that show that there is any
>> difference in function that is perceptible to the user when NCQ is
>> enabled on a single-user machine with a single drive.
>
> That performed by an economic buyer who requires such:
> o Developers
> o Product Demonstrators
> o Emergency Server use
>
> Laptops are not necessarily single-user / single-thread.
> o SOHO users
> ---- no gain - reduced electromechanical latency N/A or insignificant
> o Developers, Product Demos, Server users
> ---- some gain - reduced electromechanical latency of some use
>
> Laptops can deliver as Demo-Server or Emergency-Server:
> o Dual-CPU + Dual-HD laptop + 64-bit PCI + Gigabit + Solaris/Windows
> o dual Savvio 10k SCSI is 1) expensive, 2) thick HD, 3) hot running, 4)
> high IOPS o dual NCQ SATA is 1) 7x cheaper, 2) thinner HD, 3) cool, 4) low
> IOPS
>
> Such laptops are at 2000-3000$, not exactly out of power user range.
>
> Interesting application benchmark
> o Laptop -- Single-User Laptop + Twin NCQ HDs
> o Application -- Multi IE windows loading + Email Outlook Search + A/V
> Scan running o Assessment -- Rank time benefit based on amount of day
> spent doing activity (task WBS) o Most users -- at tail-end of the
> distribution vs other options - diminishing returns
>
> Many more may get a marginal benefit from a higher-rpm laptop HD -- which
> costs. Any benefit from NCQ on a laptop HD may be insignificant -- but
> doesn't cost.
>
> Outside of blade servers its benefit may be easy on benchmarks, hard on
> reality.
>
>
>>> The migration is eventually to twin 1.8" SATA drives for laptops,
>>
>> No, the migration is, perhaps eventually to single 1.8" drives in laptops
>> allowing for smaller, lighter machines. If there was any demand for RAID
>> on laptops then the ones that have it would be more popular.
>
> You are arguing Product-Mix:
> o Power orientated buyers -- twin 1.8" drives where formly one 2.5" drive
> ---- that need not be in RAID
> ---- I've seen enough China Flotherm models to know it IS planned
> o Weight orientated buyers -- single 1.8" drives saving mainly space
> ---- 2.5" to 1.8" offers only a small weight saving
> o Ruggedness -- lighter drives transfer less shock into boards &
> vice-versa ---- small factor, but one which avoids using more costly
> flexible cable links
>
> So I would not poo-poo NCQ SATA on a laptop.
> There is a theoretical benefit - and potentially a real one.
>
> Some users spend lots of time doing I/O with multiple-threads, and may
> link into a network - share Prj2003 files, Exchange - effectively pushing
> to multi-user. A single bod sat at a laptop is not necessarily
> "Single-Sser SOHO Word App".
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