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March 3, 2011 8:56:20 PM

I want to be able to play World of Warcraft and Rift with high frames per second.

Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP

Budget Range: $2,000 MAX (Well I can go $100 over if I must...)

System Usage: Gaming, I like MMORPGs and First Person Shooters

Parts Not Required: None, I need everything.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: What do you all suggest? Does newegg have good prices?

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: None

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: I'm not knowledgeable about computers so I don't know...

Monitor Resolution: Not sure, what do you all suggest for gaming?

Additional Comments: Is building a computer easy (I've never done it before)? What tools do I need for the job?

Thank you

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March 3, 2011 9:03:56 PM

I'm new, but the first thing I would recommend is to read all posts in this forum. 2nd, use the search feature and type something like "gaming pc" "gaming build" "2000 dollar gaming pc". Tons of info to be had. Then, when you have a better idea of what you need, post your parts list and the kind people here will critique it and offer additional suggestions. If you're lucky, someone might even post a complete build for you to work from. Have a great time, good luck.

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March 3, 2011 9:40:53 PM

Parts List includes all 1st tier components. Case / PSU and MoBo sized for addition of 2nd GFX card and fan in SLI at a later date (XMas 2011 ?). MoBo should be back on newegg within a few days.

Case - $160 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
PSU - $120 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - Later - Antec 120 mm Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $390 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl above - Intel Core i5-2500K
Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $6 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $155 - (2 x 4GB) Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $315 - EVGA GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $245 - Crucial RealSSD C300 2.5" 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $140 - Win 7-64 Pro OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Card Reader $35 AFT XM-35U http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $180 - ASUS VE247H 23.6" LED http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $65 - Logitech G110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $53 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total is $1991

Now the why's ....

- Case is large with excellent ventilation, superb features for cable routing, has intake air filters fro dust control, has slide in drive bays for storage (HD's and SSD's), has opening in MoBo tray for easy CPU cooler mounting, has external hot swap drive bay for moving lotsa data quickly. I it 'ain't your thing, look at the HAF-X. Twin 570's is a bit tight on a midtower but if that's where ya wanna go, the HAF-922 and Antec DF-35 are my fav's. Antec Lanboy Air is an interesting case but perhaps not for a first timer.

- PSU is the "bomb" .... 10.o performance rating on jonnyguru.com / Editor's Choice pick on silentpcreview.com The reviews say it all:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

If you go with any of ten other cases, choices include other 10.0 PSU's .... Corsair HX850 / AX850, Antec SG-850, Seasonic X-850, and XFX Black Edition 850. The last would be the way to go (no brainer - same quality / performance, less $) as it's substantially less expensive than the others.

MoBo / CPU - Read the reviews ..... best bang for buck combo. Asus quality, performance just under 2600k flagship for $100 less. If ya wanna step up, consider the Asus Sabertooth TUF with its militarized components and 5 year warranty or the if ya wanna go nutz .... the WS Revolution.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-sabertooth-p67-tuf-r...
http://www.guru3d.com/news/asus-p8p67-ws-revolution-/

Cooler - Drop this if ya sure ya not going to OC but when ya read the above article on the Sabertooth and see both how easy it is and what it gets ya, I think you will be hooked. the Scythe is a low cost unit that competes with the big boys and the Shin Etsu is the top TIM on the market. If ya wanna try something a bit easier to install, and are intrigued by "self contained liquid cooling", look at the Kuhler 620

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://store.antec.com/Product/cooling-cpu_cooler/kuhle...

RAM - You had the budget so I went with the fastest CAS 7 modules .... ya can save $55 dropping down to CAS 9 DDR3-1600. Just stick to low profile (no tall heatsinks) and you''ll be fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ya can ignore the RAM heat sink issue if ya use the Kuhler.

GFX - This card gets a steep price drop cause the warranty is only 3 years ... after 3 years, I don't care, I'll have moved on. In other words, same most others .... for example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If ya want that EVGA "Limited Lifeime" warranty, consider on of the $350 onest
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March 3, 2011 9:41:53 PM

Part II

Questions:

1. Yes newegg has good prices and great customer support.

2. SLI / CF has capability of extending your system life another 18 months are so by just about doubling GFX performance. For example, look here:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...

Metro 2033 is just about the most demanding game there is right now and the 570 garners 27 fps in this test @ 1920 x 1200 which is just above the generally considered minimum play level of 3 fps. But in SLI, it jumps to 54 fps. Other titles improve as follows:

CoD-MW - 148 -> 230
BF-BC2 - 56 -> 103
Dirt 2 - 80 -> 138
FarCry2 - 85 -> 153
DoC - 74 -> 109
Crysis Warhead - 54 -> 86

As you can see 1 card gives you plenty of juice to play the most popular games .... but putting a 2nd card in say as a XMas present to yourself in 9 months when the price drops significantly, will allow you to boost up your performance for the new games which will arrive during shopping season.

3. 1920 x 1080 is good for HD movies and the current gaming standard.

4. If you prepare yourself ... that is properly educate yourself before starting and don't rush through it, it's actually quite easy. Most "My machine won't boot" messages we see on the boards result from rushing, either:

a) Rate my build, I'm placing order in 1 hour" posts in which good advice gets posted 70 minutes after the post was made and mismatched parts ordered.

b) "I didn't RTFM" - Download all the manuals from component vendor web sites the day you place your order. Print them out and place them in a 3 ring binder. Read them ... cover to cover. Use a yellow highlighter to highlight important steps. Your case and MoBo manual contain just about all the instructions you need.

c) "Duh" .....

- Did you remember to plug the 8 pin (or 4 pin) EPS power connector into the CPU power socket on MoBo ?
- Did you remember to plug the CPU fan into the PWM fan header on MoBo ?
- Did you remember to plug the 6 or 6+2 power power connectors to the GFX card(s) ?
- Did you remember to plug the RAM modules into the correct slots ?

Tools should include:

- Good "Mini" Screw driver set (phillips head)
- Good small screw driver set
- Set of plastic ties to secure wires and cables
- Good set of "dykes" (nail clipper will do in a pinch - to clip plastic ties)
- Dropped Screw Grabber Thingie
- Digital Multimeter (nice to have but not necessary)
- Flashlight
- Directional lamps(s)
- Isoprpphly alcohol
- Lint Free wipes

Nice Starter Set
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Starter Meter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Clip on lamp
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 4, 2011 12:17:19 AM

I found a pre-built PC which is "the first gaming computer designed specifically for World of Warcraft." What do you all think of it? I'm having second thoughts about building a PC.

Current Parts In System:
Case: Antec 900 Mid-Tower Gaming Case
Power Supply: 650Watt HEC Zephyr Power Supply
Motherboard: eVGA nForce 650i Ultra T1, Socket 775, 7.1-Channel Surround Audio, PCI Express, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz 4MB Cache 1066MHz FSB
CPU Cooling: Intel/AMD Certified Low Profile, Silent CPU Cooling
Memory: 2GB - 2 x 1GB DDR2 800MHz Peak Memory
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 8400GS 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready
Hard Drive 1: SATA II 250Gb 7200RPM 8MB
Hard Drive 2: None
Hard Drive 3: None
Hard Drive 4: None
Optical Drive 1: CD-RW / DVD Combo (Black)
Optical Drive 2: None
Sound Card: Onboard Sound
Network Card: Killer NIC K1 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter with a 333 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 1 x RJ-45, 1 x USB2.0
Removeable Media: 1.44Mb Floppy (Black)
Keyboard: None
Mouse: None
Monitor 1: None
Monitor 2: None
Software: None
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition with Microsoft CD
Warranty: 1 YEAR PARTS & LABOR DESKTOP DEPOT WARRANTY
System: Widow of Warcraft Gaming Desktop
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March 4, 2011 12:02:19 PM

morgothaod said:
I found a pre-built PC which is "the first gaming computer designed specifically for World of Warcraft." What do you all think of it? I'm having second thoughts about building a PC.

Current Parts In System:
Case: Antec 900 Mid-Tower Gaming Case
Power Supply: 650Watt HEC Zephyr Power Supply
Motherboard: eVGA nForce 650i Ultra T1, Socket 775, 7.1-Channel Surround Audio, PCI Express, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz 4MB Cache 1066MHz FSB
CPU Cooling: Intel/AMD Certified Low Profile, Silent CPU Cooling
Memory: 2GB - 2 x 1GB DDR2 800MHz Peak Memory
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 8400GS 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready
Hard Drive 1: SATA II 250Gb 7200RPM 8MB
Hard Drive 2: None
Hard Drive 3: None
Hard Drive 4: None
Optical Drive 1: CD-RW / DVD Combo (Black)
Optical Drive 2: None
Sound Card: Onboard Sound
Network Card: Killer NIC K1 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter with a 333 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 1 x RJ-45, 1 x USB2.0
Removeable Media: 1.44Mb Floppy (Black)
Keyboard: None
Mouse: None
Monitor 1: None
Monitor 2: None
Software: None
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition with Microsoft CD
Warranty: 1 YEAR PARTS & LABOR DESKTOP DEPOT WARRANTY
System: Widow of Warcraft Gaming Desktop

Case --good :D 
PSU --Iffy at best :non: 
Mobo & CPU -- obsolete the I5-2500K will smoke it. :ouch: 
memory --you need 4GB at least. 8GB & a 64-bit OS are recommended :sol: 
Video card --- Weak at best, :sleep: 
Hard drives --When you can get a 1TB HDD for less than $70.00 Why bother with 250 GB? :hello: 
Network card --Nice card... I don't think you will see ANY noticeable improvement in gameplay over the integrated network port. :sleep: 
removable media --- nobody uses 1.44MB floppies anymore. :pfff: 

How much are they charging for this "specially designed" behemoth?
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March 4, 2011 2:50:46 PM

As a system builder on the side i do up cheapo SC2/WOW boxes all the time It makes perfect sense if all u do is surf the net and number crunch but just play 1-2 games. If you a HC gamer playing several titles then ya go blow $2k hehe Although it's a tall order to play Ultra + AA on cheapo boxes u can actually play "good settings" WOW with something like an AthlonII X3 + 9800GT/HD 4830/HD 4850/GTS 250 so that pre built u would have to tone down settings real low cos a GF8400 = LOL
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March 4, 2011 7:13:29 PM

clarkjd said:


How much are they charging for this "specially designed" behemoth?


It was either $1800 or $1900. Anyways, I think I will buy a pre-made one. What do you all recommend?
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March 4, 2011 7:30:29 PM

morgothaod said:
It was either $1800 or $1900. Anyways, I think I will buy a pre-made one. What do you all recommend?

I would be very surprised if the parts in that pre-built would cost more than $900.00 So, you see they are charging you almost $1000.00 just to put it together for you! :o 

You can spend your money however you want to, but I wouldn't give them $1000.00 to assemble a PC! :non:  :pfff: 


EDIT: I just went to Newegg and priced the components listed in that "Specially designed" build and only spent $650.00, and I had to upgrade some components because I couldn't find any as bad as in the list! :fou: 
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