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June 3, 2011 6:01:07 AM

1) Can I put any CPU in it and it will work ?
2)Whats the best i5 CPU that will work with my computer ?Could you please link me to one on amazon.
3)No big difference I read getting a i7 am I wrong ?
Anything else I need to know before upgrading my CPU ?

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June 3, 2011 6:23:38 AM

No, any CPU will not work.

Please download CPU-Z and tell us what your current CPU & RAM are: http://www.cpuid.com/

Your CPU is likely a socket 775 for Pentium 4's, Core 2 Duos, & more. i5's use Socket 1156 and 1155. i7's use 1366, 1155, & 1156. So it is very important that you know what your current socket is. It would also be helpful if you open up your case and tell us what your motherboard model & manufacturer are. CPU-Z could likely provide the motherboard info as well.

Or, at the very least, please right-click on My Computer and go to "Properties" and read the CPU off of that.
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June 3, 2011 6:31:53 AM

dalauder said:
No, any CPU will not work.

Please download CPU-Z and tell us what your current CPU & RAM are: http://www.cpuid.com/

Your CPU is likely a socket 775 for Pentium 4's, Core 2 Duos, & more. i5's use Socket 1156 and 1155. i7's use 1366, 1155, & 1156. So it is very important that you know what your current socket is. It would also be helpful if you open up your case and tell us what your motherboard model & manufacturer are. CPU-Z could likely provide the motherboard info as well.

Or, at the very least, please right-click on My Computer and go to "Properties" and read the CPU off of that.




Here is everything. Thanks for the responds.

CPU: http://snpr.cm/AMbeHX.png
Caches: http://snpr.cm/LtSb2I.png
Main board: http://snpr.cm/g00ZQx.png
Memory: http://snpr.cm/hRoMbr.png
SPD: http://snpr.cm/V3Zzti.png
GFX: http://snpr.cm/kfT8DV.png
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June 3, 2011 6:59:02 AM

Could you put your Service Tag in the search box on the "System Configuration" Tab?: http://support.dell.com/support/DPP/Index.aspx?c=us&cs=...
Also, tell me the Service Tag.

It tells you how to find your Service Tag. That should provide you with all the component details.

This is Tom's Hardware's Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

You'll can find the E5700 on that. It's not a terrible CPU. The best upgrade you could get would probably be a Q9400, if your computer supports it. But that'll probably run you at least $130, which is really getting into the territory where you should think more about a rebuild than an upgrade.

Monetarily, your most efficient choice is overclocking, but that might be limited by Dell's motherboard. OEMs typically lock overclocking features.
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June 3, 2011 7:09:42 AM

dalauder said:
Could you put your Service Tag in the search box on the "System Configuration" Tab?: http://support.dell.com/support/DPP/Index.aspx?c=us&cs=...
Also, tell me the Service Tag.

It tells you how to find your Service Tag. That should provide you with all the component details.

This is Tom's Hardware's Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

You'll can find the E5700 on that. It's not a terrible CPU. The best upgrade you could get would probably be a Q9400, if your computer supports it. But that'll probably run you at least $130, which is really getting into the territory where you should think more about a rebuild than an upgrade.

Monetarily, your most efficient choice is overclocking, but that might be limited by Dell's motherboard. OEMs typically lock overclocking features.


The CPU that you suggested is it a big difference to the one I have now ?I will be gaming & doing editing with Sony Vegas with HD videos that forever to render(1 min clip ends up be 10 mins to render & about 100% CPU.) Rebuilding isnt really a option right now for me. I appreciated all the help you have given me.

Service Tag:29mbln1
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June 3, 2011 7:10:10 AM

Btw, what are you trying to accomplish with this upgrade and what is your budget? A CPU upgrade might not be the most helpful thing.
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June 3, 2011 7:16:47 AM

dalauder said:
Btw, what are you trying to accomplish with this upgrade and what is your budget? A CPU upgrade might not be the most helpful thing.

Im trying to get better rendering times & alot of games say I dont meet the processor requirements so I would like to play games alittle smother & not have my CPU at about maxed all the time. I could spend $200 if it is a major upgrade.
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June 3, 2011 7:57:50 AM

Hmmm...$200 you say? That's a lot to work with. Do you live in the U.S. (Newegg)? Do you live near a Microcenter (check their website for store locations)? One idea to start with:

$125 i3-2100
$29 PNY 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$115 Gigabyte mATX Z68 w/ Virtu Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL: $269

Z68 allows the use of Quicksync with a discrete graphics card. Quicksync is amazing for video encoding and will cut encoding time in half or better ( http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i... ). The slow time shown is probably what you're currently at. The quick time with Intel HD 3000 is with Quicksync.

A discrete card is a must for gaming and cannot be used with Quicksync with chipsets other than Z68 (H61, H67, P67). That's a bit more than you were planning to spend, I know, but if you're doing video work the benefit is earth shattering.

You could get significantly more performance if you got an i5-2500K and overclocked it--but that puts this project another $86 more expensive (i5-2500K can be found for $211 w/shipping on Amazon).

8GB of RAM and a faster hard drive would also improve video editing and encoding performance.

FYI: If you add a graphics card to a Dell, you usually need to replace the power supply to something more reliable.


As you can see from the benchmark I linked above, performance improvements for $269 are huge! You can save $30 and go with H61 instead of Z68 (w/ Virtu), but you will not be able to use a graphics card and Quicksync simultaneously.

I highly recommend that you do not upgrade your current system but instead look into saving money until you can afford a solid upgrade. Why spend $130 for a CPU when double that gets you triple the performance?

An i3-2100 tops the Q9400 specifically in gaming and using Quicksync for video work. In many other cases it loses--but those cases aren't our concern.
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June 3, 2011 9:23:58 AM

dalauder said:
Hmmm...$200 you say? That's a lot to work with. Do you live in the U.S. (Newegg)? Do you live near a Microcenter (check their website for store locations)? One idea to start with:

$125 i3-2100
$29 PNY 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$115 Gigabyte mATX Z68 w/ Virtu Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL: $269

Z68 allows the use of Quicksync with a discrete graphics card. Quicksync is amazing for video encoding and will cut encoding time in half or better ( http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i... ). The slow time shown is probably what you're currently at. The quick time with Intel HD 3000 is with Quicksync.

A discrete card is a must for gaming and cannot be used with Quicksync with chipsets other than Z68 (H61, H67, P67). That's a bit more than you were planning to spend, I know, but if you're doing video work the benefit is earth shattering.

You could get significantly more performance if you got an i5-2500K and overclocked it--but that puts this project another $86 more expensive (i5-2500K can be found for $211 w/shipping on Amazon).

8GB of RAM and a faster hard drive would also improve video editing and encoding performance.

FYI: If you add a graphics card to a Dell, you usually need to replace the power supply to something more reliable.


As you can see from the benchmark I linked above, performance improvements for $269 are huge! You can save $30 and go with H61 instead of Z68 (w/ Virtu), but you will not be able to use a graphics card and Quicksync simultaneously.

I highly recommend that you do not upgrade your current system but instead look into saving money until you can afford a solid upgrade. Why spend $130 for a CPU when double that gets you triple the performance?

An i3-2100 tops the Q9400 specifically in gaming and using Quicksync for video work. In many other cases it loses--but those cases aren't our concern.


I dont know if you want to help me with all of this but here it is...

I been thinking of kind of making a new computer with what I have. Basically new mother board,Processor & more ram. Like I said before im going to be doing HD video editing with sony vegas , I would also be able to play games like the Witcher 2 & BFBC3(when its out) I can play games pretty decent as of right now. Processor wise I think I should go with the i5, I hear i7 isn't worth the extra money. Mother board wise is the one you chosen still a good idea ?Opinion ? Concerns ? Going in the right direction? I know this isn't exactly $200 but if I can get my computer some what future proof it will be worth it. Also thank you for helping out so much you are helping me out a lot.



Case(FREE): Could get one if needed. All ready have dell one.

Motherboard($115): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor($211):Couldnt find the $211 At the moment.
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Processor-i5-2500K-LGA1155-...

x2RAM($58): Would need 4 2gbs. Currently Have 4 1gbs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power supply(FREE): Bought one of these other day 600w

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002RWJGHM

DVD RW(FREE): Have one all ready.

HDD(FREE): Have one all ready.

GFX Card(FREE): Just bought one of these the other day.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004DKWLB4


Total: $384 No tax or shipping included but should be very close.


All from your one idea haha


EDIT: made a thread over here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/312500-31-help-buildi...
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June 5, 2011 10:29:51 PM

CPU: $208 i5-2500K If you click on "40 new from" and choose your seller, there's one for $202.99 + 4.99 shipping. All sellers on that list are selling that same item.

PSU: I'm glad you decided to get a better PSU. I was a little worried when I saw that. Make sure it's 80 Plus rated. And go for Antec, Corsair, Seasonic or XFX if it doesn't have a really great thorough review (example: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=... )

They're recommending kinda expensive parts for you in the other thread. Ask them how a cheaper case like a Thermaltake V3 or Antec 300 Illsuion would do (especially if you add fans to the Thermaltake).

Also, there's no reason you need better than the $130 Gigabyte ATX Z68 here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If someone says otherwise, at least ask why, because it'll save you $30
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June 6, 2011 2:57:50 AM

dalauder said:
CPU: $208 i5-2500K If you click on "40 new from" and choose your seller, there's one for $202.99 + 4.99 shipping. All sellers on that list are selling that same item.

PSU: I'm glad you decided to get a better PSU. I was a little worried when I saw that. Make sure it's 80 Plus rated. And go for Antec, Corsair, Seasonic or XFX if it doesn't have a really great thorough review (example: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=... )

They're recommending kinda expensive parts for you in the other thread. Ask them how a cheaper case like a Thermaltake V3 or Antec 300 Illsuion would do (especially if you add fans to the Thermaltake).

Also, there's no reason you need better than the $130 Gigabyte ATX Z68 here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If someone says otherwise, at least ask why, because it'll save you $30


To late to cancel the PSU,RAM & case. But I can still change the processor and get it for $207,the motherboard for $130 & the fan for $30. Save $58. What do you think of this ? Anything I should change now? Read other post I know I paid quite a bit for the PSU but cant change it,also for the gfx card I didnt pay $150 I got it for $115,thanks for the savings .Thanks for the responds.


Bought:
$110PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$80Ram : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$80 Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total:$270

Need:

$207: Processor(i5 2500k): http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Processor-i5-2500K-LGA1155-...
$130 Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$30 Fan: http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10...

Total: $367

Grand total: $637
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June 6, 2011 4:28:48 AM

Wow! That was close. You would not have been happy with your new computer if you did not get a Z68 motherboard with Virtu. You need it for Quicksync, which is the main reason you're upgrading.

This snowballed into a lot more expensive than I was initially suggesting while I was afk for the weekend. But the bottom line is, you will have a very good machine. The PSU is great--just not particularly on sale or anything.

The RAM will impact some things. Someone should've told you that you want faster RAM for Sandy Bridge and that timings don't impact performance as much. So you'd want 1600MHz CL9, but the stuff you've got will do fine.

So long as you've got Z68 w/ Virtu and an i5-2500K, your new computer will be amazing (better than mine).

What HDD do you have? If it's not a fast one, I suggest a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. Newegg has those on sale periodically for $55. Hard Drive speed can have a respectable impact on video work, I hear.
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June 6, 2011 4:40:59 AM

dalauder said:
Wow! That was close. You would not have been happy with your new computer if you did not get a Z68 motherboard with Virtu. You need it for Quicksync, which is the main reason you're upgrading.

This snowballed into a lot more expensive than I was initially suggesting while I was afk for the weekend. But the bottom line is, you will have a very good machine. The PSU is great--just not particularly on sale or anything.

The RAM will impact some things. Someone should've told you that you want faster RAM for Sandy Bridge and that timings don't impact performance as much. So you'd want 1600MHz CL9, but the stuff you've got will do fine.

So long as you've got Z68 w/ Virtu and an i5-2500K, your new computer will be amazing (better than mine).

What HDD do you have? If it's not a fast one, I suggest a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. Newegg has those on sale periodically for $55. Hard Drive speed can have a respectable impact on video work, I hear.


Thanks for all the help. I have http://snpr.cm/Qc5RAp.png .

Maybe this is the one I have, might have to open computer to check ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 6, 2011 5:27:19 AM

If you have a Hitachi HTS541640J9SA00, then you've got that 40GB 5400rpm HDD you linked. Are all of your movies on that? I would expect a larger drive for video work.

In that case, you will notice at least 2x speed improvements for everything involving the hard drive by switching to a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. I would expect rougly 3x improvements.

That's a laptop hard drive, btw.
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June 6, 2011 5:45:48 AM

dalauder said:
If you have a Hitachi HTS541640J9SA00, then you've got that 40GB 5400rpm HDD you linked. Are all of your movies on that? I would expect a larger drive for video work.

In that case, you will notice at least 2x speed improvements for everything involving the hard drive by switching to a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. I would expect rougly 3x improvements.

That's a laptop hard drive, btw.



Whoops I forgot I had 2 HHD connected wasnt even thinking ... I have a 500GB, I belive its this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 6, 2011 6:16:18 AM

The WD 5000AAKS is a Hard Disk Drive (HDD). I had one before I gave it to a friend to RAID with his WD 5000AAKS. It's not fast. But it'll get the job done just fine.

For the best video editing performance, I've heard of people transferring the files they're using to a Solid State Drive (SSD) for the video work then back to an HDD once they're done with that project. But an SSD is a luxury I'll upgrade to in the future at some point.
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June 6, 2011 6:26:47 AM

dalauder said:
The WD 5000AAKS is a Hard Disk Drive (HDD). I had one before I gave it to a friend to RAID with his WD 5000AAKS. It's not fast. But it'll get the job done just fine.

For the best video editing performance, I've heard of people transferring the files they're using to a Solid State Drive (SSD) for the video work then back to an HDD once they're done with that project. But an SSD is a luxury I'll upgrade to in the future at some point.


The most I would need is 120GB$250 . I read lot of people do that as well & put their OS on it, but unless it makes it like x5 faster I dont think I could get one for a while at that price.
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June 6, 2011 6:39:23 AM

An OCZ Vertex 3 will give you about 7x faster read/writes and ~100-200x faster access times & IOPS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOPS ). This will only matter for disk operations, not operations that reside in your RAM. So the overall effect will be to make things that typically load off of the hard drive (like when you open Photoshop for example) change from taking several seconds to taking 1 second.

The performance improvement will depend on the speed of your current disk and the performance of the SSD. This can vary greatly between products. The OCZ Vertex 3 is the best thing out right now by a pretty wide margin--mostly because word on the street is that the would-be comparable Corsair Force 3 is defective.

I'm not gonna pay $250 for an SSD. But I'll probably pick one up when they drop to $160 for 120GB. I actually want a cheap 60GB one for ~$60 for my old laptop. That'll breathe a lot of life into it.
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