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$1000 work computer Build

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March 8, 2011 12:47:12 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: within 3 weeks


Budget Range: $1000


System Usage from Most to Least Important: work, internet, light gaming


Parts Not Required: mouse, keyboard, OS-linux


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country of Origin: USA


Overclocking: No


SLI or Crossfire: No


Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050





Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:Three Hundred
Item #:N82E16811129042
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Model #:M4A87TD EVO
Item #:N82E16813131647
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



ASUS EN210 SILENT/DI/512MD2(LP) GeForce 210 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card
Model #:EN210 SILENT/DI/512M
Item #:N82E16814121385
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Model #:EA-650 Green
Item #:N82E16817371044
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
Model #:HDZ955FBGMBOX
Item #:N82E16819103808
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
Model #:KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
Item #:N82E16820139075
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Western Digital Caviar Black WD1501FASS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:WD1501FASS
Item #:N82E16822136592
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Model #:D RW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS
Item #:N82E16827135204
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor
Model #:VW224U
Item #:N82E16824236050
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
will be using 2 of these monitors


from newegg the price is just under $1000 with shipping

I welcome any suggestions or recomendations
a b B Homebuilt system
March 8, 2011 2:50:58 AM

I'm going to offer a drastically different approach, using the graphics processing integrated into the Sandy Bridge CPU. The integrated Intel HD 2000 video beats the $24 video card you listed.

Also check this article for some pretty good comparisons of price vs performance for sub-$200 CPU's. Granted this comparison was largely based on performance in games, but both the I3-2120 (@ $150) and the I3-2100 (@ $129) beat the X4 955 Black, even in what they used to approximate a multitasking situation.

So here's my suggestion.

CPU

Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 3MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I32120
$150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(vs $140 for X4 955 Black)

Motherboard

BIOSTAR TH67+ LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$104 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(vs $109 for Mobo in your build)

Unfortunately that motheboard was one of the first to come up for sale after the recall, so I guess it sold like crazy because it is out of stock atm on NewEgg. In order to take advantage of the integrated video on the CPU you would need an 'H67' chipset, but it doesn't really matter which one. There is another H67 motherboard on NewEgg for $90 from MSI, but I passed on that one b/c it only has 2 RAM slots for a max of 16GB. You can decide if that's a gating issue for you or not. I would wait I'm sure either the BioStar or another brand will pop back in there soon.

Video Card
$0
(vs $24 for GeForce 210)

Hard Drive from your build

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1501FASS 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$109 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM from your build

Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/8G
$85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply from your build

Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$80 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case from your build

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Drive from your build

ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

$19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor from your build
ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ HDCP Support 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 5000:1) Built in Speakers

$140 (after rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $747 w/ 1 monitor, $887 w/ 2 monitors

You get a better processor, for less total money.
If the Intel HD 2000 graphics integrated into the CPU turn out to not perform up to your expectations then you have plenty of money left to drop in the video card of your choice with no reconfiguration required. But if you decide you need video of a higher caliber than the integrated graphics allow then you have enough left over to select something more powerful than the GeForce 210 that was listed originally.
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 8, 2011 3:10:34 AM

Also one other thing to add, it seems that the only thing you will hear in that entire system is the hard drive.
If you install it with one of these you will never hear it:
$25 http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3038/noi-01/NoiseMagi...

Or you could rig up something similar. It basically amounts to a 5.25 drive carrier with some heavy duty bands (O-rings) that suspend the drive and prevent vibrations from transmitting to the case.

Here is a review of it on silentpcreview.com
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article39-page1.html

Here is a DIY approach to the same sort of thing.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article8-page2.html


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March 8, 2011 3:17:34 AM

Phenom II X4 955- $139.99
Sapphire Radeon 5450$35.99 ($10 rebate)
G SKILL Ripjaws Cas7 8gb- $79.99
Gigabyte GA 870A UD3- $94.99
Antec 300 Illusion- $54.99
Lite-On Lightscribe DVD Burner- $22.99 (free shipping)
WD Caviar Black 1.5TB- $109.99
Corsair 650TX PSU- $89.99 ($20 rebate)
Asus VW224U Monitor X2- $159.99 ea ($40 rebates)

Total- $948.90 (before $70 in rebates & shipping)
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 8, 2011 12:26:40 PM

I agree CopaMundial, the Intel build is much faster and more worth the money than the AMD build.
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March 8, 2011 2:30:35 PM

OK this creates some new questions, I have always purchased amd so i dont really know much about intel processors, looking at the biostar motherboard there is no video chipset on it, the chipset is on the processor I hope i got that right. Now for two questions 1. is the sandy bridge processor using it for video linux compatible (I ask because i switched to PcLinuxOs about 5 months ago and am still learning) 2. the last is there are 3 video ports on the motherboard d-sub, dVI, HDMI, If I understood your post correctly the Sandybridge will push both of the d-sub and the dvi at the same time for dual monitors, does this disable the hdmi or is it still functioning. I guess i better make that three questions what kind of video quality am i looking at, I am not looking to build a super gaming rig but I do want to have decent usable graphics.
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 8, 2011 4:38:42 PM

John Argent said:
OK this creates some new questions, I have always purchased amd so i dont really know much about intel processors, looking at the biostar motherboard there is no video chipset on it, the chipset is on the processor I hope i got that right.


Correct. It's in the CPU.

John Argent said:

Now for two questions 1. is the sandy bridge processor using it for video linux compatible (I ask because i switched to PcLinuxOs about 5 months ago and am still learning


Yes.
I would imagine that it would work right out of the box, but if you happen to be missing a driver you can get them here.
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/index.html

John Argent said:

2. the last is there are 3 video ports on the motherboard d-sub, dVI, HDMI, If I understood your post correctly the Sandybridge will push both of the d-sub and the dvi at the same time for dual monitors, does this disable the hdmi or is it still functioning.


You should be able to pick any two of the three outputs to use.
HDMI and DVI would be my first choices (especially if one monitor has speakers).
Here is a link to the Motherboard's page w/ a manual for download. It mentions in there that any 2 of the 3 can be used.

John Argent said:

What kind of video quality am i looking at, I am not looking to build a super gaming rig but I do want to have decent usable graphics.


Here's a blurb from Intel's literature... obviously you have to consider the source.

Quote:

*Intel HD Graphics 3000 delivers immersive and casual mainstream gaming capabilities with entry-level discrete graphics card performance without an additional graphics card or chip.
*Intel HD Graphics 2000 which your delivers casual mainstream gaming capabilities without an additional graphics card or chip.

http://www.intel.com/technology/graphics/intelhd.htm
The chip in this build has the 2000 graphics.

I'm not recommending this route b/c the graphics are great for gaming. I'm recommending it because it's at least as good as the low end GTX 210 card you were going to put in there plus it's cheaper, quieter, and puts more money into the CPU. If it cost more I wouldn't recommend it b/c you would run the risk of not liking the results and then you would be in for even more money.
But it's a nice machine, with two monitors, for $887. The only risk that see is that if you don't like it then you'd have to add a video card... but you were planning that anyway. So I'm just suggesting that you delay that purchase, give the integrated graphics a shot, and if it's not enough then you get a video card. No loss there because you have ~$110 of overhead left from your original build.
My only advice would still be that if/when you get a video card try to move up the ladder a bit from the GTX 210. You probably have friends who have better video cards than that sitting in old PC's in their basement that you could get for free.


Also one sidenote, there has been some discussion on several linux forums that people with the sandy bridge Intel integrated graphics have had video working fine, but have not been able to use the 3d graphics features. This seems to be resolved with any linux build based on linux kernel 2.6.34. I don't think think PCLinuxOS has updated to that kernel yet but others have (openSUSE for one) so PCLOS shouldn't be far behind.
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March 8, 2011 5:14:35 PM

Thanks for taking the time to educate me, I appreciate it, I like the idea you have presented i just need to decide if I want to wait on Biostar or try MSI, any thoughts on MSI good bad or ugly??
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a b B Homebuilt system
March 8, 2011 5:22:57 PM

John Argent said:
any thoughts on MSI good bad or ugly??


I don't have much to say about them one way or another... aside from the fact that the MSI H67 board listed on NewEgg only has two momory slots, so 16Gb total. Doesn't sound like this build would be really limited by that, but that would be one reason to wait.

For what it's worth the MSI P67 boards also went out of stock for about 2-3 days but they're back now. Not sure if BioStar will restock as quickly or not.
I'm literally amazed that Gigabyte hasn't gotten a single sandy bridge motherboard to NewEgg yet. They have to be missing out on millions as a result... there was months of pent up demand waiting for those to release.
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March 8, 2011 5:26:20 PM

only thing that catches me is 1 dvi and 1 hdmi, the monitors are dvi and d-sub
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March 8, 2011 5:51:30 PM

I found out the answer to that one hdmi is dvi with audio added
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