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January 4, 2011 4:57:23 PM

going to be buying a vid card in the next two hours.
leaning for a 5 series N.

why N and not A?
because i will be buying a 3d monitor in the next few weeks.
AMD does not have 3D.
not 3D i can buy anyhow.

spending $200

suggestions.
i might buy the monitor kit today, $499 for the asus bundle.
i have the oldest vid card that will work, so 70% chance i order the monitor today.
current card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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January 4, 2011 5:01:06 PM

You're better off waiting until you can spend $300 on the HD6950. The 6900 series is much better for triple-monitor action.

If you must have the card now, get the one linked below.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Major misunderstanding..haha.
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January 4, 2011 5:02:32 PM

not 3 displays, 3 dimensions. like with the whole glasses thing.
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January 4, 2011 5:07:15 PM

scoobertdoo said:
going to be buying a vid card in the next two hours.
leaning for a 5 series N.

why N and not A?
because i will be buying a 3d monitor in the next few weeks.
AMD does not have 3D.
not 3D i can buy anyhow.

spending $200

suggestions.
i might buy the monitor kit today, $499 for the asus bundle.
i have the oldest vid card that will work, so 70% chance i order the monitor today.



shoot if you got the money to throw around and are set on the "n" 5 series then grab a gtx 580 if you have an ample power supply, overall I would say that a gtx 570 is probly a better value... but if you want to go top of the line grab a 580 for a 3d solution
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January 4, 2011 5:09:48 PM

700ish is my budget for everything i need for 3D.
the 580 would blow it.
wish i could get those glasses for less then 179, 150 bundled.
friggin things cost them $5 to make i bet.
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January 4, 2011 5:10:58 PM

if you want 3d right now yes its pretty much a one horse show, you can only go nvidia and the 5 series is the way to go... problem is there are no gtx 5 series cards for under 300 and you wanna spend 200...

now amd is working on 3d and thier 6 series supports it, however to date (i may be wrong if they have released since but not to my knowlage) there are no compatable monitors yet

for 200 maybe a gtx 460 1 gig.. the 560 are gonna show up eventually that might be a betrter option if you can wait that long, and itll probably even out the market and you might have ati/amd compatable monitor's by then to compare and get the best possible system
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January 4, 2011 5:11:49 PM

shutter glasses probably cost alot mroe than 5 bucks to make... just saying
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January 4, 2011 5:15:26 PM

g00fysmiley said:
if you want 3d right now yes its pretty much a one horse show, you can only go nvidia and the 5 series is the way to go... problem is there are no gtx 5 series cards for under 300 and you wanna spend 200...

now amd is working on 3d and thier 6 series supports it, however to date (i may be wrong if they have released since but not to my knowlage) there are no compatable monitors yet

for 200 maybe a gtx 460 1 gig.. the 560 are gonna show up eventually that might be a betrter option if you can wait that long, and itll probably even out the market and you might have ati/amd compatable monitor's by then to compare and get the best possible system



yeah this is good advice but overall I wouldnt go for anything less then the gtx 570 right now so the logical thing to do would be to increase your budget or wait... the 5 series should have enough muscle to give you the performance that you are seeking also if you are spending 4-5 hundred dollars already on a monitor then there is no logic in going with a mainstream level gpu for 3D
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January 4, 2011 5:33:38 PM

Here are some options that will do very nicely with a 3D Vision setup. They are all factory overclocked and come with very effective and quiet custom cooling:

Less than $300

Gigabyte GTX470 Superoverclock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Review: http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-470-...

MSI GTX470 Twin Frozr II:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Less than $200

Gigabyte GTX460 Superoverclock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ECS GTX460 Black:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 4, 2011 5:45:07 PM

g00fysmiley said:
shutter glasses probably cost alot mroe than 5 bucks to make... just saying


iphones cost $4.60 to make.....
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January 4, 2011 5:48:51 PM

17seconds said:
Here are some options that will do very nicely with a 3D Vision setup. They are all factory overclocked and come with very effective and quiet custom cooling:

Less than $300

Gigabyte GTX470 Superoverclock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Review: http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-470-...

MSI GTX470 Twin Frozr II:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Less than $200

Gigabyte GTX460 Superoverclock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ECS GTX460 Black:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


these are good suggestions I would go for a 470 for a little extra muscle if you can
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January 4, 2011 5:57:38 PM

g00fysmiley said:
iphone 4 costs $4.60 to ASSEMBLE sum total of its parts is much higher

total it costs $187.51 to make an iphone 4

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/iphone-4-parts-cost...



interesting but regardless, apple rapes people with prices and proprietary components everyday.... you might as well go to best buy and pay THEM 50 dollars to recycle your old desktop if you are going to buy an apple product... that being said< I know I know the iphone/ipad/ipods are great etc but I just like to cut them down whenever possible sorry for getting off topic...
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January 4, 2011 6:03:29 PM

no prob bud :D 

i tried to find a breakdown of the active shutter glasses cost for ya, but i for the life of me could not find one. I'd agree that a 470 woudl work fine for single monitor 3d, but 5 series would obviously be better. perhaps space out the purchase and get the monitor/ graphics card in your budget if you cna find and the glasses later?

^ i agree they overcharge by alot ... i only own one apple product a 160 gig ipod classic because i won it, would not ahve bought it, and i mostly use it as a 160 gig external drive for passing files pc to pc :D 

also as you can run WoW off a external drive i have WoW on there for use on other pc's
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January 4, 2011 6:07:26 PM




no doubt thats a really nice one, but still your paying 290 for a gtx 470 which imo is outrageous considering price/performance, but since 3d is what the op is going for it kind of puts him in a tough spot with the given budget, I agree with goofysmile you should just upgrade the gpu now (gtx 570/580), then get the monitor when you can afford or vice versa
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January 4, 2011 6:11:29 PM

so will the AMD card ever run a a 120hz monitor with glasses?
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January 4, 2011 6:13:12 PM

scoobertdoo said:
so will the AMD card ever run a a 120hz monitor with glasses?



well it is supposedly capable but not practical not to mention the power you need to run 120 hz even if it is 60 hz per eye
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January 4, 2011 6:14:55 PM

so the 6950 would push whatever i wanted really then?
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January 4, 2011 6:17:01 PM

scoobertdoo said:
so will the AMD card ever run a a 120hz monitor with glasses?

If their 3D implementation is anything like their Physics implementation you could be waiting around for a bit.
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January 4, 2011 6:22:48 PM

g00fysmiley said:
no prob bud :D 

i tried to find a breakdown of the active shutter glasses cost for ya, but i for the life of me could not find one. I'd agree that a 470 woudl work fine for single monitor 3d, but 5 series would obviously be better. perhaps space out the purchase and get the monitor/ graphics card in your budget if you cna find and the glasses later?

^ i agree they overcharge by alot ... i only own one apple product a 160 gig ipod classic because i won it, would not ahve bought it, and i mostly use it as a 160 gig external drive for passing files pc to pc :D 

also as you can run WoW off a external drive i have WoW on there for use on other pc's


huh thats funny and interesting as hell... i have a 160 gig too bc who wants 8 gigs of storage on an ipodtouch? did you just reformat it to store files or is it drop and drag? how does that work I havent messed with it in a while
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January 4, 2011 6:24:56 PM

Mousemonkey said:
If their 3D implementation is anything like their Physics implementation you could be waiting around for a bit.



yeah nvidia is the smart way to go for 3d as far as im concerned, and if you don't have an sli capable motherboard then your best bet is probably the gtx 580, if you do have an sli board then 2 gtx 460 1 gigs seems to be one hell of a value and, hopefully... the single and sli gtx 560s (when they are released) will be a good value as a single card and offer great sli scaling...

also remember, there are definatley some people who are dumping their 480s for 580s, and then there is the oddball chance that you could get a great deal on a gtx 480 on ebay say for example, which would trump all other recommendations (depending on price) but it is just not practical to recommend and most people want a new product with a full warranty...
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January 4, 2011 6:29:37 PM

jjb8675309 said:
yeah nvidia is the smart way to go for 3d as far as im concerned, and if you donot have an sli capable motherboard then your best bet is probly the gtx 580, if not a pair of gtx 460 1 gigs seem to be one hell of a value and hopefully the single and sli gtx 560s (when they are released) will be a good value as a single card and offer great sli scaling...

I'm awaiting the 560's with great anticipation as I've had a play with a 768MB 460 and was quite impressed with it's performance compared to my 8800GT SLi setup.
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January 4, 2011 6:37:46 PM

Mousemonkey said:
I'm awaiting the 560's with great anticipation as I've had a play with a 768MB 460 and was quite impressed with it's performance compared to my 8800GT SLi setup.


yeah the 560 would be a nice upgrade for you, and another for sli in the future would I'm sure be even sweeter! how did the 768 mb 460 hold up against 8800gt SLI? would you say the 768 mb 460 surpasses 8800gts SLI in dx10>?
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January 4, 2011 6:47:11 PM

jjb8675309 said:
yeah the 560 would be a nice upgrade for you, and another for sli in the future would I'm sure be even sweeter! how did the 768 mb 460 hold up against 8800gt SLI? would you say the 768 mb 460 surpasses 8800gts SLI in dx10>?

I was thinking of getting two from the get go and if the E8400 proved to be inadequate to run them I would just put one into my Q9550 rig until such time as I sorted out a new SLi rig. Performance wise a single 768MB GTX 460 is on par with an 8800GT SLi rig @16 x 10 resolution in both DX9 and DX10 but I wouldn't say that it surpasses it, the 560 might though.
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January 4, 2011 6:52:04 PM

wow, gay. guess AMD has that nailed down.
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January 4, 2011 6:56:03 PM

scoobertdoo said:
wow, gay. guess AMD has that nailed down.

How is it homosexual?
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January 4, 2011 6:58:15 PM

Mousemonkey said:
How is it homosexual?


gay,
as in very negative quality..
as in drawback...
as in lesser.
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January 4, 2011 7:04:00 PM

scoobertdoo said:
so will the AMD card ever run a a 120hz monitor with glasses?

AMD does not use active shutter glasses, which necessitate the 120hz monitor (60hz x 2). There are only two monitors that support AMD's 3D passive glasses. AMD also limits the user to only one screen.

Nvidia continues to expand on the number of supported monitors and allows for multiple monitors in a 3D Vision Surround setup. Today's release of the Nvidia beta 266.35 drivers includes the following in the release notes:

•Adds support for new 3D Vision Desktop LCD monitors: Hannstar HS233, I-O Data 3D231XBR, Lenovo L2363dwA, Planar SA2311W
•Adds support for new 3D Vision projectors: Acer X1261P, Sanyo PDG-DXL2000
•Adds support for new DLP HDTVs: Mitsubishi WD-83838, WD-83738, WD-73838, WD-73837, WD-73738, WD-73638, WD-73C10, WD-65838, WD-65738, WD-65638, WD-65C10, WD-60738, WD-60638, WD-60C10, L75-A91.
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January 4, 2011 7:04:45 PM

scoobertdoo said:
wow, gay. guess AMD has that nailed down.


yeah single 5 or 6 series card will give you the ability to but for super high res you need a high 6 series, a 5970 or a couple 5850s or so... to run most and maybe more for the most deeply demanding situations, but still you should be able to run say lfd2 on 3 monitors all high on a single card without much of a problem but with other games you might find yourself lowering settings or adding hardware.
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January 4, 2011 7:07:58 PM

for nvidia to do 3d surround you need 2 cards in sli, so you could only do 2 monitors on that card. evga does nice cards though :D 
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January 4, 2011 7:09:09 PM

17seconds said:
The Gigabyte Superoverclock is capable of performing very closely up to the level of the GTX480/570 due to its high factory overclock.


ok matto,, you have a point here but can't a lesser gtx 470 achieve a similar overclock?? or not generally without volt modding it? and changing the cooler for that matter?? I'm wondering for myself is 700 mhz on the core of a generally achievable oc on most 470s at stock voltage>? or not at stock voltage?
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January 4, 2011 7:15:33 PM

17seconds said:
AMD does not use active shutter glasses, which necessitate the 120hz monitor (60hz x 2). There are only two monitors that support AMD's 3D passive glasses. AMD also limits the user to only one screen.

Nvidia continues to expand on the number of supported monitors and allows for multiple monitors in a 3D Vision Surround setup. Today's release of the Nvidia beta 266.35 drivers includes the following in the release notes:

•Adds support for new 3D Vision Desktop LCD monitors: Hannstar HS233, I-O Data 3D231XBR, Lenovo L2363dwA, Planar SA2311W
•Adds support for new 3D Vision projectors: Acer X1261P, Sanyo PDG-DXL2000
•Adds support for new DLP HDTVs: Mitsubishi WD-83838, WD-83738, WD-73838, WD-73837, WD-73738, WD-73638, WD-73C10, WD-65838, WD-65738, WD-65638, WD-65C10, WD-60738, WD-60638, WD-60C10, L75-A91.


i dont get why they are ALL 23"?
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January 4, 2011 7:22:01 PM

g00fysmiley said:
evga does nice cards though :D 

i like the step-up program, used it once. from a 7800GT to a 7900GTX, or something like that.
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January 4, 2011 7:23:12 PM

Mousemonkey said:
One out of eleven, the majority wins! :finger:

dont be puerile. :pt1cable: 
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January 4, 2011 7:24:06 PM

hell yeah the evga 570 would be a great choice
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January 4, 2011 7:24:23 PM

jjb8675309 said:
ok matto,, you have a point here but can't a lesser gtx 470 achieve a similar overclock?? or not generally without volt modding it? and changing the cooler for that matter?? I'm wondering for myself is 700 mhz on the core of a generally achievable oc on most 470s at stock voltage>? or not at stock voltage?

There is a link to a review of the Gigabyte SOC. It comes factory overclocked at 700 mhz. Guru3d was able to overclock it to 800 mhz and recorded a 25% increase in performance.

For a more vanilla GTX 470, Guru3d was able to get a 775 mhz core speed. Speeds on both cards were obtained with voltage tweaking. The key difference is that the Gigabyte cooler is one of the quietest that you can find for the 470, and remains quiet even when pushing 800 mhz (over the 600 mhz reference).
http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-...

Having owned a GTX 480 (which I sold for $260 on Craiglist a couple weeks ago), the main concern with these cards is noise at load. That's why I tend to focus on those 400 series cards with a good aftermarket cooler for recommendations. You could pay $75 for a Arctic Cooling Acelero Extreme cooler, but the Gigabyte SOC (and MSI Twin Frozr II) cooler is just as good. The ECS GTX 460 Black comes with an Arctic Cooling Acelero cooler.
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January 4, 2011 7:25:59 PM

17seconds said:
There is a link to a review of the Gigabyte SOC. It comes factory overclocked at 700 mhz. Guru3d was able to overclock it to 800 mhz and recorded a 25% increase in performance.

For a more vanilla GTX 470, Guru3d was able to get a 775 mhz core speed. Speeds on both cards were obtained with voltage tweaking. The key difference is that the Gigabyte cooler is one of the quietest that you can find for the 470, and remains quiet even when pushing 800 mhz (over the 600 mhz reference).
http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-...

Having owned a GTX 480 (which I sold for $260 on Craiglist a couple weeks ago), the main concern with these cards is noise at load. That's why I tend to focus on those 400 series cards with a good aftermarket cooler for recommendations. You could pay $75 for a Arctic Cooling Acelero Extreme cooler, but the Gigabyte SOC (and MSI Twin Frozr II) cooler is just as good. The ECS GTX 460 Black comes with an Arctic Cooling Acelero cooler.


ok thanks you have more then answered every aspect of my question, very good info for anyone.. interesting how when the 470 was really cranked up it came close to the 480 within 5-6 frames or less, and obviously to achieve that high of an overclock you will need a good cooler so your recommendation makes much more sense to me now thanks for clarifying
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January 4, 2011 7:26:32 PM

17seconds said:
There is a link to a review of the Gigabyte SOC. It comes factory overclocked at 700 mhz. Guru3d was able to overclock it to 800 mhz and recorded a 25% increase in performance.

For a more vanilla GTX 470, Guru3d was able to get a 775 mhz core speed. Speeds on both cards were obtained with voltage tweaking. The key difference is that the Gigabyte cooler is one of the quietest that you can find for the 470, and remains quiet even when pushing 800 mhz (over the 600 mhz reference).
http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-...

Having owned a GTX 480 (which I sold for $260 on Craiglist a couple weeks ago), the main concern with these cards is noise at load. That's why I tend to focus on those 400 series cards with a good aftermarket cooler for recommendations. You could pay $75 for a Arctic Cooling Acelero Extreme cooler, but the Gigabyte SOC (and MSI Twin Frozr II) cooler is just as good. The ECS GTX 460 Black comes with an Arctic Cooling Acelero cooler.


all of the 5 series are still reference with stickers :p 
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January 4, 2011 7:27:05 PM

scoobertdoo said:
i dont get why they are ALL 23"?

I have never been able to figure that one out. Most of the 3D certified monitors seem to be right about 23 inches.
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January 4, 2011 7:29:49 PM

scoobertdoo said:
all of the 5 series are still reference with stickers :p 



I'm not sure if you were just commenting or not and Idk if it matters but in the quote you used we were referring to 4 series cards
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January 4, 2011 7:32:37 PM

scoobertdoo said:
dont be puerile. :pt1cable: 

Oh come on, the English language is getting so bastardized these days that it's about time to to start pulling people up on it, thirty years ago the definition of "gay" was "happy" that was it, no homosexuality, no level of quality just one word and one meaning. It's a shame if you are too young to remember such things.
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January 4, 2011 7:35:09 PM

scoobertdoo said:
all of the 5 series are still reference with stickers :p 

The 570/580's have a real good vapor chamber cooler that vents heat outside the case, and are hard to beat with an aftermarket cooler. There are some aftermarket 570's out there, but as usual, they vent heat inside the case.

The Palit GTX 570 Sonic Platinum is a good example. It keeps the GPU 11c cooler, but the noise is 1 Db louder than the stock cooler and it vents heat inside the case:



http://www.guru3d.com/article/palit-geforce-gtx-570-son...
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