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March 10, 2011 1:53:49 AM

Hi,
I'm looking to buy a new pc or build one. My maximum budget is 1000 USD. I will be using it for gaming as well as schoolwork and photo editing.
I'm looking for something with liquid cooling, and a nice design, as well as power. I really like the HP Voodoo Firebird, but its really outdated now, and I can't seem to find someone selling just the case and liquid cooling system. Especially with liquid cooling, it's almost impossible to build something under 1000, so what's my best bet?

Thanks

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a b 4 Gaming
March 10, 2011 2:07:02 AM

To not go with something LCed. The build in my siggy for 1000$ performs cool and quiet. Especially since on air the 2500K can reach 4.6ghz. Plus don't forget the fact that pre-built LC systems have a lot of time put into them, THAT is why you can't find one below 1000$. Testing and creating the custom loop costs a lot of money. Easily a fully WC'd loop in a PC is 500$ minimum. Just for the CPU expect upwards 200$.
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March 10, 2011 2:18:49 AM

Only thing i like about buying prebuilt computer is there easyer to get warrentied
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March 10, 2011 2:21:28 AM

This may sound absurd but have you thought about supporting your local PC stores? and I don't mean Best buy ect (not knocking best buy at all) just meaning that some of the local mom and pop PC stores can order anything that newegg and best buy can get and then some for either cheaper, the same cost, or slightly higher. Really depends on the local store. You gotta keep in mind that if it's a local store with just 1 location, they are reliant on a good reputation, and need to look good in price and quality of service in the community. Also it can't hurt to help support a local store in your local city in this economy. Wether you want to build it your self or not. They also are able to advise you on how to do it RIGHT unlike some companys who are just there to make the sale and after that everything else is either done or they will charge you and will do it themselves but won't teach you how to for the future.

Anyway with that being said, I am not saying you have to buy one from this store, but I just simply wanted to provide the link for you to look at their new systems, Iv owned their highest end system and it can max out just about anything you throw at it.

It's a good thing to build parts off of specifications wise anyway no matter who you actuley buy from.

here's the links to their PC/Radio Sells website below...

http://www.gigaparts.com/store.php?action=search&catego...

Keep in mind their systems cost a bit more because they have them built by their techs on site, as well as they pump in a warranty, but if you are just simply looking to snag what parts they are using, the websites good for that too.

P.S. I don't work for them, and I'm not trying to make a sale for them, and I am not getting paid to give out a link, I was just simply trying to give advice on some very cheap systems I MY SELF have owned and tested as a PC gamer for most of my life. I would love to work at the store but I lack the qualifications, but I still love to shop there. Anyway this was just a disclaimer so I don't get banned from the forums or something =)

On a final note, I just bought a 5000 dollar system and Iv had them up into the 8000 dollar range before, Iv always used a air cooling setup instead of a liquid cooling for several reasons, one being they can sometimes (NOT ALWAYS) but sometimes leak, as well as the solution in the cooling system does not last for ever and has to be changed.

Are you going to be overclocking? if so I suppose go with the liquid cooling but I am not 100% positive, as I am not into overclocking, but to each their own :) 
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a b 4 Gaming
March 10, 2011 2:27:57 AM

Oh I forgot to mention, if your a newbie at building, WCing is defiantly not for you. You have to take the computer apart and clean the cooling every 6 months AT MOST. 3 months is recommended. It takes a lot of management.
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March 10, 2011 2:48:09 AM

Hmmm. that is a problem.
Yes I'm relatively new to computer building and this will be my first build.
I understand the concepts and everything though.

Any suggestions on fans, then?
I absolutely abhor loud fan noises.
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March 10, 2011 3:06:39 AM

Also, what's the best case under 140?
I was thinking bitfenix survivor or NZXT Crafted Series ATX Full Tower but if theres something better for the money...
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March 10, 2011 3:09:10 AM

It seems anymore when you are looking at mid tier cases get what you want not what people say is "good" read reviews alot of the cases for that kinda of money are the same the look or certain features make the case stand out.

I spend more money on silverstone cases because the motherboard is flipped so you plug in everything ontop the case heat rises so its IMO a great design worth every penny.
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March 10, 2011 3:09:56 AM

Do you need a full tower? (or have space for one?) There are some really good mid-sized towers out there.

Antec Three Hundred
Lian Li PC 7FN
Antec 902
COOLER MASTER HAF 922
Antec DF-85 Black Computer Case

For Full towers, popular options are (but they are also more expensive)

Antec 1200,
HAF 932, 942

Sorry, didn't post links here.
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a b 4 Gaming
March 10, 2011 3:13:06 AM

NZXT "Crafted Series" Isn't a case, but I'm assuming your referring to the Phantom. It's a pretty solid case with a fan controller pre-installed.

This is a really quiet stock cooled case, my father uses it. I built it and the fans are really quiet. Plus it is only 90$.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 10, 2011 3:13:46 AM

I would check out www.silverstonetek.com

i have had nothing but great luck with them when i needed replacment parts they sent them to me free 2 day shipping from cali i live in iowa:) 

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March 10, 2011 3:15:55 AM

selas said:
Do you need a full tower? (or have space for one?) There are some really good mid-sized towers out there.

Antec Three Hundred
Lian Li PC 7FN
Antec 902
COOLER MASTER HAF 922
Antec DF-85 Black Computer Case

For Full towers, popular options are (but they are also more expensive)

Antec 1200,
HAF 932, 942

Sorry, didn't post links here.


Both full and mid towers will work for me.
However, i prefer not to have the typical "boxy" look
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a b 4 Gaming
March 10, 2011 3:16:39 AM

selas said:
Do you need a full tower? (or have space for one?) There are some really good mid-sized towers out there.

Antec Three Hundred
Lian Li PC 7FN
Antec 902
COOLER MASTER HAF 922
Antec DF-85 Black Computer Case

For Full towers, popular options are (but they are also more expensive)

Antec 1200,
HAF 932, 942

Sorry, didn't post links here.


Antec cases are pretty loud w/o fan controllers. @ max my 902 gets REALLY LOUD! But the good thing about the 902, it has fan controllers on the edges of intake, and a rear fan controller for the top and rear exhaust. So the 902 is a sweet case.

The HAF are by no means quiet w/o a fan controller. HAF = High Air Flow, and so they're not quiet. This is not just from telling you the meaning of HAF but from user reviews and other reviewers, the HAF's are solid cases, but you abhor noise, it may not be the case for you.
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March 10, 2011 1:43:45 PM

nibuoy said:
Hi,
I'm looking to buy a new pc or build one. My maximum budget is 1000 USD. I will be using it for gaming as well as schoolwork and photo editing.
I'm looking for something with liquid cooling, and a nice design, as well as power. I really like the HP Voodoo Firebird, but its really outdated now, and I can't seem to find someone selling just the case and liquid cooling system. Especially with liquid cooling, it's almost impossible to build something under 1000, so what's my best bet?

Thanks


Building your own gives you alot more control, but if you were to go with a prebuilt this one http://goo.gl/BIXXc will be your best bet for a pre-built fast computer. It starts at 8GB of Ram and can go up to 24 as well as a decent 1GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon HD 6770.
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a b 4 Gaming
March 10, 2011 9:56:22 PM

The build isn't a bad prebuilt computer. However with 1366 being dead soon and the fact that you could get a cheaper i5 2500K and save some money especially since your getting the motherboard that is upgradable. I think it is better to go with a personal build rather than prebuilt. Prebuilt - assuming it is companies like Dell/HP you won't be able to upgrade because their PSUs are the bare minimum and their mobos are crap m-ATX, even when they're ATX they probably only have 1 PCI Express 2.0 16x slot IDK just me.
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March 12, 2011 2:45:52 AM

Ok, so i am going to do a homebuilt.
My games won't be very intensive, but I want it to run at maximum graphics and last for a couple years (2-3 before replacing parts).
Some games I plan to play are like minecraft, civilization, total war series, etc, and doing some photo/video editing.
Some things I am debating:
i5 vs i7, and sandybridge or no?
hd6870 overkill for my work?
Also, any motherboard suggestions?

I plan on getting an fractal design r3 case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
corsair 650 watt psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
samsung spinpoint f3: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, I'm thinking of doing an overclock... any suggestions on a third party cpu cooler?
thanks
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a b 4 Gaming
March 12, 2011 2:56:21 AM

Minecraft & Civ my system can handle just fine (955 + 5850 + 4gb ram)
Total War Shogun my system shows age and struggles a bit.

SB would be a good choice, but if you can wait you should wait and see what Z68 has in store. That will replace X58.
You still haven't told us your resolution 6870 is good enough for most, but we don't even know your resolution.
Motherboard - Asrock Extreme4 P67 - 150$
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg2/asrock-e...

Fractal's pretty sweet spacious. But really expensive US wise because although the price is decent, BUT SHIPPING IS 15-20$. With that said, your better yet going with this case. (So your case is 120$+20$ brings it to a HAF 932 pricing, the HAF has 20$ MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

65$ AR Modular, Better efficiency. I think going with this PSU is a better choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 12, 2011 3:10:31 AM

aznshinobi said:
Minecraft & Civ my system can handle just fine (955 + 5850 + 4gb ram)
Total War Shogun my system shows age and struggles a bit.

SB would be a good choice, but if you can wait you should wait and see what Z68 has in store. That will replace X58.
You still haven't told us your resolution 6870 is good enough for most, but we don't even know your resolution.
Motherboard - Asrock Extreme4 P67 - 150$
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg2/asrock-e...

Fractal's pretty sweet spacious. But really expensive US wise because although the price is decent, BUT SHIPPING IS 15-20$. With that said, your better yet going with this case. (So your case is 120$+20$ brings it to a HAF 932 pricing, the HAF has 20$ MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

65$ AR Modular, Better efficiency. I think going with this PSU is a better choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


hmmm i really don't like the design of the HAF cases.
also, i've heard bad things about asrock, and would prefer something like asus or gigabyte.

as for revolution, I'll have to use my crappy dell 19" monitor (1280 x 1024 i think), but plan on saving up for a 24" ultrasharp (1920x1200), or maybe 27" (2560 x 1440)

When will the replacement you're talking about be, and how big is the change. The latest I can hold this off for is maybe the beginning of fall.
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a b 4 Gaming
March 12, 2011 3:23:30 AM

1920x1200 is pretty big. That is more for a 560 Ti or like a 6950 1GB-2GB. The 6870 would be sufficient for 1920x1080 though. The 6870 could probably handle the load though with the sacrifice of graphical goodies.

So even that review doesn't change your mind? Well have you seen the terrible reviews about Asus's support?
http://compreviews.about.com/gi/pages/poll.htm?linkback...
Lets just say recently, most of it is bad.
If that doesn't change your mind.
http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?cat=Awards

As for replacement, there is no leaked benches and what not yet. The very basics seem similar to P67. However some areas seem a bit faster. Unsure which areas though.
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March 13, 2011 1:03:30 AM

aznshinobi said:
1920x1200 is pretty big. That is more for a 560 Ti or like a 6950 1GB-2GB. The 6870 would be sufficient for 1920x1080 though. The 6870 could probably handle the load though with the sacrifice of graphical goodies.

So even that review doesn't change your mind? Well have you seen the terrible reviews about Asus's support?
http://compreviews.about.com/gi/pages/poll.htm?linkback...
Lets just say recently, most of it is bad.
If that doesn't change your mind.
http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?cat=Awards

As for replacement, there is no leaked benches and what not yet. The very basics seem similar to P67. However some areas seem a bit faster. Unsure which areas though.


the 6950 is too much. Even the 6870 is stretching the budget if i wan't to get the new i7's.

Also, do you know where I can get the asrock p67? I've looked around but couldn't seem to find it.
Also, are the stock cpu coolers enough for overclocking?
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a b 4 Gaming
March 13, 2011 1:46:18 AM

I will tell you right now, you don't need the new i7's. The 2500K is easily enough for Photoshop. Even if you got a 2600K, it wouldn't help you get more frames rather than a more expensive card now would it.

Yes the stock coolers are good enough, and no, we're just going to have to wait for Newegg to keep stocking up. It seems every day or so they get another board on the site.
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March 13, 2011 3:47:40 AM

aznshinobi said:
I will tell you right now, you don't need the new i7's. The 2500K is easily enough for Photoshop. Even if you got a 2600K, it wouldn't help you get more frames rather than a more expensive card now would it.

Yes the stock coolers are good enough, and no, we're just going to have to wait for Newegg to keep stocking up. It seems every day or so they get another board on the site.


Thanks,
I'll probably go for the 2500k and overclock it once the price goes down.
Does it also work for more hardcore gaming? (crysis, cod, etc.)

Final question:
how much ram should i get, 4, 6, or 8 gb?
and does the speed make much of a difference (1333 vs 1600 for example)

ps, is the 650 psu enough to crossfire 6870's in the future?
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a b 4 Gaming
March 13, 2011 4:24:52 AM

Yes it'll work for hardcore gaming even at stock.

8 that'll last you a LONG LONG time. 4gb is good enough for anyone, but ram is dirt cheap now so might as well future proof.

6 is triple channel, P67 = Dual channel. So no 6gb is a bad choice.
1333 to 1600 make no difference in reality. In benchmarks, yes but like memory benchmarks matter.

650w is good enough.
"This picture better shows the two 6-pin PCIe power connectors that are located along the top edge of the video card. AMD says the Radeon HD 6870 also needs a 500W or greater power supply for single card operation or a 600W or greater for CrossFire. "
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1445/5/
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