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March 12, 2011 9:45:45 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Im going to buy part by part

Budget Range: $700-$800 Canadian Dollars

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming/Occasionally Rendering Videos

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, ncix.com, CanadaComputers, TigerDirect Canada

Country of Origin: Canada

Parts Preferences: Im going for a Six Core AMD CPU

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution:1920x1080

Additional Comments: I would like to have a PC that will handle tomorrow's applications and will be ready for the next couple of years of Gaming

More about : 800 gaming

March 13, 2011 12:37:21 PM

This isn't so much a build to price recommendation but more of a guide. You can always find deals on certain parts and even some great bundle sales to get you exact system...

AMD PC:
You need a quad core, a six core is a waste as nothing currently uses it, a dual or triple core is simply not adequet
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I prefer either ASUS or Gigabyte mother boards, period...(better parts & power regulation than most all the other brands)

This motherboard for Nvidia, supports SLI in the future.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This motherboard for AMD, supports Crossfire in the future.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating system there's only one choice 64 bit version of Win7....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU if you want to start & stick with one something like: 5870, 6850, 6870, GTX 560 Ti, or 570..
If your planning to start with one but upgrade to two in near future you can go for 460's or 560's (hey, SLI just scales better than Crossfire...)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Too many people under estimate the importance of a strong, quality power supply. Choose one from Corsair, Antec TP, or Seasonic... 650watts will work for any single GPU system. 850Watts will work for all but the highest end dual GPU systems.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case choice is a personal taste issue, but, if you look at the Cooler Master HAF series, Antec DF or LanBoy series, or Corsair you won't go wrong.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

When your ready to overclock your CPU this is a good place to start...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM this is pretty much a commodity, I prefer Corsair, Crucial, or G. Skill. Get 4Gb, DDR3, 1600.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Disks commodities too, I prefer Western Digital. Many on this board like Samsung. Any size between 500Gb & 1Tb will work great.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD / CDROM drives any will do I prefer Samsung
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March 13, 2011 12:43:27 PM

NOTE: being "ready" for SLI or Crossfire will add about $100-150 to your system. But if you'll have more money for upgrading in 6 months or so it's better to have your system ready for the second GPU up front.

For example if you ONLY had a single PCI-E slot on your motherboard (and saved $30--40 up front) you would have to scrap that motherboard to add a second GPU. Or, scrap the GPU you bought for a more powerful single card.

If you purchase too small a power supply up front, to add a second GPU, you would have to scrap the power supply...

Junking things to upgrade gets expensive fast....
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March 13, 2011 1:11:12 PM

Wow thanks for all this but i have some questions,
In the future if im willing to go with dual GPU's, will i need more Watts in my PSU to handle all that?
Also how is Sapphire HD6870 for a video card to go with this? because I've been told that AMD+ATI work together well then AMD+Nvidia
My last question is that i read on reviews that if you have a Hexa-Core CPU and game on it, you'll experience the same performance as a Quad-Core CPU, is that true?
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March 13, 2011 1:20:58 PM

For a single HD6870 (nice card BTW...) a 650watt power supply will do.

Yes, If you want to add a second HD6870 in the near future your would need more power, so buy an 850watt supply to begin with.

Yes, I'd agree with the reviews, games just don't need 6 cores....

(from prior post)
AMD PC:
You need a quad core, a six core is a waste as nothing currently uses it, a dual or triple core is simply not adequet
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March 13, 2011 1:44:45 PM

I don't have to buy a sound card or anything do i?
Will programs in the future be made that will utilize all six cores?
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March 13, 2011 1:49:20 PM

No, audio is built in on all modern motherboards......

I would not invest the extra money in a 6 core today.... by the time they are needed a faster chip will certainly be out
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March 13, 2011 1:55:21 PM

One thing im confused with is choosing a case.
The one's you have showed me are great but i don't really know which one to choose
What should i be looking for when looking at cases?
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March 13, 2011 2:11:18 PM

Really just depends what you want.....

Avoid the really cheap cases as they are so flimsy they bend & dent very easily. They are also very noisy as very thin metal rattles....

Cooling:
- avoid any case with a top mount power supply
- avoid any case that uses any fans smaller than 120mm
- avoid any case that doesn't have at least two fans (one intake & one exhaust)

Noise:
- avoid any case that doesn't have a mounting system for the hard drives to isolate vibration


Fit, finish, and details on this case are top of the class...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Space and cooling on this case are top of the class....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 13, 2011 2:27:54 PM

Are they're any sort of cheaper cases that are like that?
Oh and how is Corsair Gaming Series 800w? for a PSU
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March 13, 2011 3:16:28 PM
March 13, 2011 3:18:03 PM

Just look at the sales, rebates, promo codes, and free shipping on any of the cases above. I don't believe you'll be disappointed with Any of them.

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March 14, 2011 6:42:35 PM

Can you guys reccomend me a good PSU that will do if i am going to crossfire in the future?
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March 14, 2011 7:38:53 PM

Good rules of thumb, you can support just about any SINGLE card with a 650watt PS...
You can support just about and DUAL card setup with an 850watt PS....

I love the Corsair 850HX supplies because they remain dead silent to almost 600watts...

http://www.corsair.com/power-suppl [...] x850w.html


and it puts out 70A on the +12volt rail that's 840watts on 12volts Alone (so, this power supply spec out more like a 900 or 950 watt supply)


It's not cheap, you can get on sale for about $135, but with all that power and a full seven (7) warranty it's gonna last for a 2 may be 3 builds....(your mileage may vary)
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March 14, 2011 9:48:48 PM

The Link doesn't work..
Anyways Does it matter if a choose a case thats say about 1-2 years old?
or are new ones better?
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March 14, 2011 10:42:31 PM

Try this link for the HX850

http://www.corsair.com/power-supplies/modular-psus/prof...


We'll look at the list of case I sent you earlier. The Antec 900 in particular has a version 1, 2, and 3. They are all good. Look 'em over carefully and pick the one you want based on style, features, and of course price.

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March 15, 2011 12:20:43 AM
March 15, 2011 10:44:55 AM

shihaab said:
Will it matter if i chose a non modular PSU?
because i like this one

http://www.corsair.com/power-supplies/non-modular-psus/...

VERY nice supply. Non-modular just means you'll have to route / hide your unused power wires inside the case. NOT a big deal.



also i have a couple of Motherboards that i'm confused in getting.
How are these one's? some of them support crossfire i think.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For CrossFire support you just want to see two physical PCI-E slots and they Must support at least x8/x8 like this board: "PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 (x16 or x8, x8) "
NOTE: this board has also has on-board video, you don't need this, BUT, you could START with this board just using it's on-board video. Then add your GPU card(s) when you save up more money... (you could do some low res, low detail gaming to get by for awhile)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This board is CrossFire ready too: "PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 (one x16 or dual x8 link) "
NOTE: NO on-board graphics. If you KNOW your going for GPU card(s), I prefer this board.... (less stuff on the motherboard to break or generate heat and you aren't using it anyway...so, why pay for it)


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

This board does NOT support Crossfire, 2nd black PCI-E is ONLY x4: "PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 PCIe 2.0 x16 Slots (blue@ x16 mode, black@ x4 mode)"

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Supports Crossfire. And has on-board video : "Onboard Video Chipset
ATI Radeon HD 4290 "

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 15, 2011 10:48:54 AM

NOTE: in the ASUS motherboards I'd also point out that the boards with "EVO" or "Deluxe" in the name have some nice extra's:

- larger heat sinks on the motherboard chip set for better cooling
- often more phases to the CPU power supply for better stability and less heat
- more complete accessories in their pack outs (more SATA cables, support more USB connectors...)
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March 15, 2011 1:09:48 PM

I was also wondering if Asus Crosshair IV Forumla is a good motherboard, because if i have enough money i could go for that.
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March 15, 2011 8:56:41 PM

It's a better board for Serious overclocking, but, don't think you'll need it. I think your funds would be wasted their....
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March 17, 2011 10:07:55 PM

In the future will Six Core Cpu's be used for Gaming?
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March 17, 2011 10:58:16 PM

Never say never so I wager a guess that 6 cores will become more relevant in 3 or 4 years....

SO, if your buying a system today, I'd skip the 6 core CPUs...
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March 18, 2011 12:10:37 AM

Building this PC will take the entire 2011
(saving up money)
What would you say to that then?
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March 21, 2011 12:18:04 AM

Get the AMD 955 for $140, you can easily OC it to match the 975 and save the money for other things.....

If you have money to burn, like about $200 more than AMD system by the time you get a the motherboard & CPU ... the Intel is faster, but, totally unnecessary for gaming....
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March 21, 2011 6:45:03 PM

If i overclock the 955 would i need a cpu cooler or increase the rpm of the stock fan?
What do you mean it's totally unnecessary for gaming? it had 4 cores, isn't that how much modern games use?
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March 21, 2011 9:31:45 PM

For a super mild OC from 3.2Ghz to 3.4Ghz.... should run just fine with the stock cooler.....

At around 3.6Ghz, I'm betting most folks would want an after market cooler.... (I believe 955/965/and 975 use the SAME cooler)

At 3.8Ghz and above, I'd certainly want a bigger cooler...


NOTE: Just because the manufacturer ships it with a particular cooler doesn't mean its really "well suited for the job." I know for certain that the Stock coolers on the Intel i7-860, i7-930, and i7-950 are NOT good enough for me, even at stock speeds. They all exceed the manufacturers max allowed temperature when under heavy load for extended periods of time. Ah, like heavy duty gaming....

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