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March 14, 2011 3:28:47 AM

hi

i live in Argentina and decided it's time for a new computer

my problem is , over here just about every salesperson either knows nothing about what he is selling , or just lies.

so after 3 frustrating days of getting prices in just about every shop i could find , i decided to ask you for help

a friend advised me to buy from this website

http://www.ocstore.com.ar

the page is Spanish, but i think it shouldn't be a problem to navigate

i am looking at their pre built pc's ( gamer , the top one for 2390 peso ) http://www.ocstore.com.ar/equipos.asp?opt=2

but i think it needs some adjustments

1. other motherboard ?
2. bigger HD
3. other Ram ? ( 1600 )

so here is my question , what would you change and why ( change what you think needs changing )

but try to stay under 2800 peso please ( 3000 max if needed )

i hope someone helps me out

thank you , roberto




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March 14, 2011 12:51:58 PM

Hello roberto_72;

That GT 220 is the biggest roadblock on the way to a gaming PC.

It would help to have more of the 'standard questions' answered up front so we know things like your monitor resolution.

Fill out that form that batuchka linked.
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March 14, 2011 7:04:17 PM

ok , got the form below

from all the things in the system i choose as template, the graphics card was the last thing i expected to be "bad" , and what is the problem with it ? I'm guessing it's a ddr2 card, and I'd need a ddr3 ?

and how about the RAM and MB , would changing to a MB that supports 1600 ram and the ram make a huge difference ?






Approximate Purchase Date: 1 week


Budget Range: about 2800-3000 peso ( website is spanish)


System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies


Parts Not Required: monitor, Operating system


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://www.ocstore.com.ar/


Country of Origin: argentina


Parts Preferences: asus or msi ( MB and graphics card same brand), HD WD


Overclocking: Maybe ( seems risky with the unstable power here )


SLI or Crossfire: No


Monitor Resolution: 1440x900 ( maybe 1920x1200 but not for a year or so )


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March 15, 2011 5:39:55 AM

would this card be better than the one in the pre-built system ?

PCI-Express 16x MSI N430GT-MD1GD3/OC/LP/TF 785/2000 V/D/H
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=16&sp...

and i'm having some doubts about the motherboard , is it any good ( for this system ) or should i consider getting something different




copied all the components , guess easier to check it out

1 - Motherboard AM3/DDR3 Asus M4N68T-M LE v2 µ/125w/VGA/R5/7.1/Glan
1 - Procesador AM3 AMD Phenom II X2 Dual-Core 555BE 3.20 Ghz 7M 80W
1 - Combo Teclado + Mouse Genius KB C210 PS2 Negro Optico
1 - Disco rígido 3½ SATA2 3 Gb/s de 7200rpm Western Digital Caviar Blue 320 Gb 16 Mb
1 - Gabinete Medium Tower Antec Three Hundred s/fuente
1 - Lector de Memorias Flash Multifunción 3.5" Negro
2 - Memoria DDR3 1333 Mhz Super Talent Black 1 Gb CL8@1.5V
1 - Parlantes 2.1 Edifier R201 2x8W + Sub 12W RMS Negros
1 - Placa Gráfica PCI-Express 16x Asus ENGT220/DI/1GD2(LP) VGA/DVI/HDMI
1 - ReGrabadora DVD±RW Dual Layer Samsung SH-S223C W±22x DL±16 SATA Negra
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March 15, 2011 8:32:17 AM

Just a bit better but still disappointing when it comes to serious gaming. GT 220 & GT 430 are more of a home theater video card than one suitable for modern 3D games.

From THG review: GeForce GT 430: The HTPC Crowd Gets Fermi On A Diet



At MUCH better choice is this HD 5670. You can see in the chart above it's better at games. And it's a few peso's lower even.
Placa Gráfica PCI-Express 16x Sapphire HD5670 512Mb D5 775/4000 V/D/H
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=16&sp...
This would be an OK option for your 1440x900 monitor. Not good or great - just OK.


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March 15, 2011 9:22:45 AM

roberto_72 said:
Overclocking: Maybe ( seems risky with the unstable power here )
Unstable power can damage or kill any PC with or without overclocking. The most 'at risk' part is the power supply of course.

M4N68T-M LE V2 motherboard is OK. Asus M4A78LT-M LE is better.

Procesador AM3 AMD Athlon II X3 Triple-Core 445 3.10 Ghz $439
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=37&sp...
Motherboard AM3/DDR3 Asus M4A78LT-M LE $426
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=18&sp...
Memoria 2GB DDR3 1333 Mhz Kingston KVR1333D3N9/2Gb CL9@1.5V $135 (1 now - 1 later)
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=24&sp...

ReGrabadora DVD±RW Samsung SH-S223C 22x SATA $105
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=80&sp...
Disco rígido 3½ SATA2 3 Gb/s de 7200rpm Samsung 250 Gb $193
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=77&sp...
Placa Gráfica PCI-Express 16x Sapphire HD5670 512Mb D5 775/4000 V/D/H $500
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=16&sp...

Gabinete Medium Tower Thermaltake V3 Black VL80001W2Z 450W Fuentes $521
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=32&sp...

~$2319 if you can fit another 2GB RAM into the budget ~$2454

~$681 left in budget for:
Teclados y Mouses / Parlantes / Flash Multifunción 3.5" / Windows 7


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March 15, 2011 8:30:19 PM


ok, so after another day of reading and trying to understand all of the new hardware ( i used to know this , but i'm so out of it i feel like i'm looking at chisels while everyone is using jackhammers )

i came up with this, it's a bit more expensive then i was hoping , but i think it could just be in the budget

so could you please look at it one more time for me :) 
the bottom part is not that important , and i don't think there's much to be saved there
the middle part for wireless and the stabilizer i don't know , picked these since i think they are faster then the cheaper ones ?

the top part is a free fire zone , it looks ok to me, but i don't know jack :) 



Motherboard AM3/DDR3 Asus M4A77T/USB3 140w/R/7.1/Glan $ 524,80 $ 524,80
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=18&sp...
Procesador AM3 AMD Phenom II X2 Dual-Core 555BE 3.20 Ghz 7M 80W $ 528,90 $ 528,90
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=37&sp...
Memoria DDR3 1333 Mhz Super Talent Black 2 Gb CL8@1.5V x2 $ 155,80 $ 311,60
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=24&sp...
Placa Gráfica PCI-Express 16x Asus EAH5670/DI/1GD5 775/4000 V/D/H $ 701,10 $ 701,10
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=16&sp...
Disco rígido 3½ SATA2 3 Gb/s de 7200rpm Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 Gb 16 Mb $ 270,60 $ 270,60
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=77&sp...
Gabinete Medium Tower Vitsuba 8024 Full COL-600W Negro $ 270,60 $ 270,60
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=32&sp...


Router Wireless TP-Link TL-MR3420 3G/4xLan/300n $ 188,60 $ 188,60
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=85&sp...
Adaptador de red Wireless Encore ENLWI-NX2 300N PCI 2 Ant $ 86,10 $ 86,10
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=85&sp...
Estabilizador TRV Concept 1000W 5 x 220V con proteccion de modem $ 114,80 $ 114,80
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=69&sp...

Lector de Memorias Flash Multifunción 3.5" Negro $ 18,86 $ 18,86
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=70&sp...
Mouse Genius NetScroll 220 Laser 1600dpi USB Negro $ 42,64 $ 42,64
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=82&sp...
Parlantes 2.0 Genius SP-i350 10w RMS Negros $ 145,55 $ 145,55
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=42&sp...
ReGrabadora DVD±RW Dual Layer Samsung SH-S223C W±22x DL±16 SATA Negra $ 104,55 $ 104,55
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=80&sp...
Teclado Genius SlimStar 335 Gamer USB $ 82,00 $ 82,00
http://www.ocstore.com.ar/productos.asp?opt=2&cod=82&sp...
Total $ 3.390,70
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March 15, 2011 9:06:30 PM

How did you decide on choosing the more expensive Phenom II X2 555BE CPU / Asus M4A77T motherboard over the X3 445 / Asus M4A78LT-M combo listed previously? Nothing wrong with those choices, just curious what your thinking was.

Here is some local discussion about using Estabilizador TRV Concept 1000W (google will translate if you ask it nicely)
http://foros.3dgames.com.ar/consultas-compra.383/607780.estabilizador-atomlux-r1000-o-trv-concept-1000w.html

I can't offer an opinion on the Vitsuba 8024 case and 600W fuentes quality and reliability. But those budget power supplies can be scary. Try and find some local reviews from people who own that equipment. That forum above could be a good place to ask.

Everything else looks good.
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March 15, 2011 9:30:08 PM


well, i figured this MB and CPU combination , i could try and overclock and maybe even get more cores running

just not sure yet how much speed i would gain ,and if it is useful in this setup.


i put the more expensive asus graphics card in since i like to keep card and MB from the same brand, ( guessing the no dust part of the card is somwhat hype, but just in case it works, it would help a lot cos it is dusty here )



as for the case , i have been using the case for over 3 years now ( my old computer ) and my father has the same case, neither of us has had any problems with it , and i choose this one over the one you put in there cos of the 600W power supply

same with the RAM, been using that brand in my current pc , and it runs great



please let me know if any of my reasoning is wrong and if i can just as well save some cash in some places, and maybe get a bigger HD ( hd space is always a problem , seeing as how i download almost all tv shows , movies and stuff )
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March 15, 2011 9:51:05 PM

The reasoning is OK but you also need to be prepared to have no extra cores unlock AND run stable. There is a reason the cores were locked in the first place.
To get the X2 555BE dual unlocked and stable on 4 cores you'll need to get lucky twice. Once for each core. And lucky a 3rd time that you're able to overclock and still have things stable.
To get the X3 445 unlocked to four cores you only need to get lucky once.

You can always add more storage later.

It's not the case - it's the power supply with the case.
Check into that local forum and see what people say about it there.
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March 16, 2011 1:32:19 AM

using the case with that power supply for 3 years , and no problems whatsoever.
and also using a stabilizer on this system


guess i'm almost done with this puzzle


about the router and card, are those the ones i want , or will the lower (150Mbps) do ? ( not really planning on sharing HD a lot or sending huge files on a daily basis . it's more for internet sharing, maybe some video file sharing and a large file once in a while )

about the graphics card , the only difference ( as far as i can tell ) is double the memory , is that worth the extra cost , or would that $200 be better spent in another part ?

and about the MB and CPU , if i don't decide to play with overclocking, i get about the same result with both combination ? ( at least that's what i understand from the previous posts )

thanks in advance , and sorry to be such a pain , but it is a lot of money to spend for my family, so i want to be sure i get it right :) 
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March 16, 2011 2:28:28 PM

512MB vs 1GB video RAM would not be worth the price difference IMO.

I could not find a review on the TP-Link TL-MR3420 3G/4xLan/300n wireless router.
ENCORE ENLWI-N IEEE 802.11b/g, IEEE 802.11n Draft 2.0 PCI 2.3 Wireless Adapter was getting good customer feedback reviews.
On an uncrowded low-medium usage home network the 802.11b/g router and adapter would be OK.

Phenom II X2 vs Athlon II X3. Both are fast CPUs.
Comparison [http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/189?vs=120]Athlon II X3 450 - 3.2GHz vs Phenom II X2 555 BE - 3.2GHz[/url]
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March 26, 2011 8:23:15 AM

Best answer selected by roberto_72.
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