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Black ops ripples. Game or hardware?

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January 10, 2011 3:23:19 AM

When I was playing black ops the a ripple will go through my screen sometimes, about once every 20-40 seconds. It is not very big at all and does not really bother me, but is my hardware breaking? Is this a common problem? I am using a hd6850. If you need anymore information I will be glad to tell you.
January 10, 2011 4:06:19 AM

What exactly do you mean by a 'ripple'?
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January 10, 2011 4:25:01 AM

Two things come to mind when he says ripple. Tearing, or timing changes. Perhaps a signal interruption to the monitor.
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January 10, 2011 9:06:32 PM

Like, it looks like something is going up the screen in a ripley (I do not know if that is a word) way. Would a VGA to DVI make a signal interruption?
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January 10, 2011 9:16:05 PM

If it's across the middle, where it's like two slightly different images are shown side by side, try using v-sync. If it's disturbing more than a single row worth pixels, you might check that cable or monitor.

Also, you might want to download MSI Afterburner or GPU-Z, and check the log on memory clock, gpu clock and voltage. If it's changing during those rippling effects, it may be a problem with the drivers or something else relat
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January 10, 2011 9:20:37 PM

So none of my hardware is broken, right? V-sync makes me get bad FPS, I think you were the one who helped me with that actually. It doesn't show two of the same pictures either. When you through a rock into water, it makes a ripple through the water. It looks like that. And sometimes part of the image moves over a bit and then go back in place.
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January 10, 2011 9:21:52 PM

Hmm I had an Apple IIe do that on it's 5" green display. Are you using a CRT monitor?

I'm thinking of a distortion effect that moves from bottom to top, it'll look like a ripple. I've never heard of it happening on an LCD tho, but if you have a CRT well, time to upgrade.

On the other hand if it's a horizontal line across the screen and the image looks "off" between the top and bottom of the line, that's called screen tearing. Vsync is meant to fix it by limiting the output FPS to equal your monitors refresh rate.
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January 10, 2011 9:30:35 PM

HostileDonut said:
So none of my hardware is broken, right? V-sync makes me get bad FPS, I think you were the one who helped me with that actually. It doesn't show two of the same pictures either. When you through a rock into water, it makes a ripple through the water. It looks like that. And sometimes part of the image moves over a bit and then go back in place.


That doesn't sound like tearing then. I'd try your setup on another monitor if you can.

I'd also check to see if the clocks on your card are changing, or the voltage.
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January 11, 2011 12:10:59 AM

HostileDonut said:
When I was playing black ops the a ripple will go through my screen sometimes, about once every 20-40 seconds. It is not very big at all and does not really bother me, but is my hardware breaking? Is this a common problem? I am using a hd6850. If you need anymore information I will be glad to tell you.



Is it only when you are playing this game? What other fps games do you have installed does it occur with any of those?
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January 11, 2011 12:12:56 AM

Also, what PSU do you have?
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January 11, 2011 12:18:33 AM

geof2001 said:
Is it only when you are playing this game? What other fps games do you have installed does it occur with any of those?

I only noticed it Black ops. Not BFBC2 and SC2.
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January 11, 2011 12:22:52 AM

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Also, what PSU do you have?

Full system specs are as follows: Biostar McP6P v. 6.3, 4gb PNY 800Mhz RAM, AMD Athlon II x3 440 @ 3.3Ghz, OCZ 600w StealthXstream PSU, and an hd6850 @ 820/1100 core/mem.
I use a 17" LCD, Should I put my refresh rate to 75 (maximum)? Also, do you guys think that my hardware is damaged? If my hardware is not damaged then I really do not care too much, it just the scare that me computer is breaking.
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January 11, 2011 12:49:02 AM

it could be the gfx card, monitor, or cable. This happens with a laptop at work sometimes when displaying on external projector. monitors are ok, just not the projector, yet other computers display on the projector ok, so it must be a gfx card issue/incompatability with the projector. Id say your monitor is not handling the signal well possibly.
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January 11, 2011 12:55:13 AM

On a typical crt unless there is a problem you are not going to see it but on a lcd that is a problem. It can be the signal from the card to the monitor that is producing this effect or a defect with the monitor or the card. Hardware aside software can do this to but I don't know how it would unless there is a bug in the drivers or the game that makes it possible that it renders by the gpu as normal data.
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January 11, 2011 2:22:52 AM

So my gfx card is broken and is not sending the right signal?
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January 11, 2011 4:53:13 AM

I set my refresh rate higher, but it didn't do too much. I looked in the device manager and it says that my hd6850 is working properly. Do you think that my hd6850 is broken it is just not telling me or just a little glitch here and there and I shouldn't be worried? (I have the worst luck with anything I buy so I wouldn't be suprized if it was broken :lol: )
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January 11, 2011 7:40:57 AM

I actually started to experience this when i updated to 10.12 in black ops (together with a massive FPS decrease of about 40-50 FPS). Try to downgrade ur drivers if ur using 10.12 and see what happends :) 
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January 11, 2011 4:07:01 PM

Okay, if there is no damage done to my hardware it doesn't bother me much.
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January 11, 2011 4:10:00 PM

Like I said, I put my refresh rate at 75 herts, will that damage my monitor? I heard that on older monitors it can.
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January 11, 2011 4:18:40 PM

No, generally the refresh rate is used for vsync so that you don't get screen tearing. But it can't damage it that I know of.
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January 11, 2011 4:28:42 PM

What is screen tearing? I do not use V-sync, I might have that.
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January 11, 2011 4:55:43 PM

Yeah, I think that is what happens, but for a split second, I just see something wrong for a second. Sometimes, it really does look like a ripple or a wrinkle.
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January 11, 2011 5:13:00 PM

EDIT: Wrong post sorry!
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January 11, 2011 5:14:39 PM

So, just to get this straight, there is nothing wrong with my hardware?
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January 11, 2011 5:16:02 PM

Uhhh sorry... that last post was meant for a different thread. I don't know how that happened lol.

You could always try to RMA it, either they say no or else you get new hardware so it's not a bad idea to try.
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January 11, 2011 5:18:19 PM

wolfram23 said:
Uhhh sorry... that last post was meant for a different thread. I don't know how that happened lol.

You could always try to RMA it, either they say no or else you get new hardware so it's not a bad idea to try.

So, my GPU is broken? Really?!
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January 11, 2011 5:22:55 PM

Weither or not it was meant for this thread doesn't matter, it is appropriate regardless. If those pictures are the same effect that you are getting, then v-sync is your solution. It's not likely a hardware issue.

Turn on v-sync and triple-buffering. If it's more of a ripple rather than how those pictures are, that could be a hardware problem.
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January 11, 2011 5:25:13 PM

Okay, I do not think black ops has tripple buffer though.
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January 11, 2011 5:25:55 PM

HostileDonut said:
Okay, I do not think black ops has tripple buffer though.


Look in the cards control panel for the option.
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January 11, 2011 5:29:16 PM

I went to catalyst and I did not see it, would texture filtering set to trilinier do it?
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January 11, 2011 5:31:35 PM

You should find it on the 3d page on the "all" tab.

It's the last option on that page. Seems it's an OpenGL option.
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January 11, 2011 5:33:53 PM

Okay, when I am done with my school I will try it out, man if my GPU is broken already I am going to be sooooo mad. That would be a second RMA.
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January 11, 2011 7:25:44 PM

Okay, I turned on V-sync and tripple buffer and it still does it a little, should I be concerned?
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January 11, 2011 7:46:31 PM

So it's "mostly" better?

I'd say you're fine then... some games just do it. I find Penumbra and Amnesia both have occasional tearing for me even with Vsync on.
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January 11, 2011 7:52:30 PM

wolfram23 said:
So it's "mostly" better?

I'd say you're fine then... some games just do it. I find Penumbra and Amnesia both have occasional tearing for me even with Vsync on.

Thank you. I am happy that I do not need to RMA then, tearing will not hurt my hardware though right? (I wouldn't think it would, but just to be on the safe side)
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January 11, 2011 8:18:34 PM

No not at all, tearing happens because your GPU is rendering faster than the monitor's refresh rate so sometimes it gets caught where the monitor is refreshing an image and the GPU is already telling it to show the next one, and you get that "tear"
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January 11, 2011 8:37:42 PM

Best answer selected by HostileDonut.
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January 11, 2011 8:38:03 PM

It doesn't even need to be rendering faster than your refresh rate to tear. It tears when it's drawing to the frame buffer when the image is being updated on the screen. Some games just don't sync it up well, some will. V-sync ensures it syncs.
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