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Ordering in 2 days, need to reel the price in some

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Hello Ave05;

What the percentage mix in gaming vs video editing?

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And we got to do something about that 1366 motherboard and 1155 CPU mismatch.

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It'll probably be about 50/50 between the two... Even with the SSD, I doubt he'll take the time to reboot between them.

I had another motherboard in mind, not sure which at the moment, but I read on the forums that it doesn't support USB 3.0 under all conditions. Seemed like a strange limitation, so I picked another one without much researching. Which would you recommend?

Thanks!

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How certain is he to want a 2nd GTX 570 added to the system later?
If he'll be happy with just the single GTX 570 we can move down a tier in motherboard AND power supply.

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Lets talk about that Blu-Ray burner too. How about a BD-rom DVD burner combo?
Or a Blu-Ray ROM and a standard DVD burner.

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I'm not sure about the 2nd video card. If it does happen, it'll probably be a while. By then it might make more sense to upgrade to a new (single) card, and sell the 570.

Would it make any sense to bump the ram to 16Gb?

Thanks for the help, getting back within budget after your recommendations.

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even if you stick with the BLue-ray Burner, there are good ones much less than $120

this one is $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136181

If you plan to stick to a single 570, a 520-650W PSU will be fine

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WR2 wrote :

Lets talk about that Blu-Ray burner too. How about a BD-rom DVD burner combo?
Or a Blu-Ray ROM and a standard DVD burner.




He definitely wants to create Blu-Ray discs to send to friends and family. He's got an HD Canon video camera that's collecting dust at the moment.

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I don't feel you'd get enough of a performance boost for the extra cost involved in 16GB of RAM. And that is an area where you could add 8GB more later if he feels he actually does need it at some point.

ASUS PCE-N13 IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express Wireless Adapter Up to 300Mbps Wireless Data Rates 64-bit/128-bit WEP, TKIP, and AES WI-Fi alliance WPA, WPA2 $28 the customer feedback ratings are pretty much equal.

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ScrewySqrl wrote :

even if you stick with the BLue-ray Burner, there are good ones much less than $120

this one is $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136181

If you plan to stick to a single 570, a 520-650W PSU will be fine



No problem going with that burner, thanks for the link. Should I consider another video card, or go with something in SLI?

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What's the make and model of that Canon HD camera? I'm thinking it's not a Blu-Ray model.
And any DVD burner is going to handle creating HD video DVDs just fine.

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I don't feel you'd get enough of a performance boost for the extra cost involved in 16GB of RAM. And that is an area where you could add 8GB more later if he feels he actually does need it at some point.

ASUS PCE-N13 IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express Wireless Adapter Up to 300Mbps Wireless Data Rates 64-bit/128-bit WEP, TKIP, and AES WI-Fi alliance WPA, WPA2 $28 the customer feedback ratings are pretty much equal.



I thought that might be the case with the memory. Will also adjust the list with the Asus wifi card. Thanks.

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What's the make and model of that Canon HD camera? I'm thinking it's not a Blu-Ray model.
And any DVD burner is going to handle creating HD video DVDs just fine.



I'm going to give him a call, and find out what the model is. I know it uses mini DV, and outputs 1080i.

I can see him upgrading his video camera at some point, but just for reference, what would be the difference between HD video on a DVD, and the same on a Blu-Ray disc? Would they both look the same when played in a Blu-Ray player on a 50" screen?

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dvd is 480p (480 vertical lines), HD is 720 or 1080 vertical lines

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You can do video recording, editing, burning and playback of 1080 HD video without ever needing Blu-Ray equipment.

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WR2 wrote :

You can do video recording, editing, burning and playback of 1080 HD video without ever needing Blu-Ray equipment.



He's currently living in an area where ISP "broadband" speeds max out at less than 1Mb... Rather than uploading to youtube/vimeo, he'd like to burn HD discs for mailing to friends and family (both have Blu-Ray players). The model of his video camera is HV30.

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He can ship his 1080 videos on DVDs and they will play back on Blu-Ray players without a problem. Plus any other friends or family without Blu-Ray are good to go as well.

You don't need Blu-Ray for 1080 video. You need Blu-Ray equipment to playback Blu-Ray discs and to burn Blu-Ray discs.

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He can ship his 1080 videos on DVDs and they will play back on Blu-Ray players without a problem. Plus any other friends or family without Blu-Ray are good to go as well.

You don't need Blu-Ray for 1080 video. You need Blu-Ray equipment to playback Blu-Ray discs and to burn Blu-Ray discs.




I've created a wishlist on newegg. What's the best way to post that here?

I'm interested in the process involved for burning HD content on a DVD (playable on set-top Blu-Ray players). I realize this isn't the right forum, but if you might have a link, that would be much appreciated.

Thanks for all of your help.

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The fast and easy way it to just copy/paste and then clean up all the extra lines and 'fluff' content like "Return Policy"
Just part name, Item # and price is fine

What size are your friends videos?
The major difference in DVD vs Blu-Ray (apart from the equipment it takes to work) is the amount of data each will hold.
Blu-Ray is up there with 25GB/disc (or even 50GB with dual layer) and DVDs are 4.7GB/disc (8.5GB/disc dual layer).

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WR2 wrote :

The fast and easy way it to just copy/paste and then clean up all the extra lines and 'fluff' content like "Return Policy"
Just part name, Item # and price is fine

What size are your friends videos?
The major difference in DVD vs Blu-Ray (apart from the equipment it takes to work) is the amount of data each will hold.
Blu-Ray is up there with 25GB/disc (or even 50GB with dual layer) and DVDs are 4.7GB/disc (8.5GB/disc dual layer).



He'd like to create discs that will hold a full HDV tape, which seems to be about an hour.

The wishlist I created on newegg contains the MSI P67A-C43 board, but after checking the specs, it doesn't look to have any Firewire ports. His HV-30 doesn't support video transfer over USB, so I'll need to go with a motherboard that has Firewire.

Thanks again.

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My Asus P8P67 Pro has firewire support. I'm guessing the single GPU boards also have it.
Firewire is a technology on the way out that won't survive for long now that USB 3.0 is here.
Also the 2500k and the 2600k are both great cpus. There is only a tiny bump in performance between the two and a big bump in price. 2500K FTW!


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ave05 wrote :

He'd like to create discs that will hold a full HDV tape, which seems to be about an hour.

The wishlist I created on newegg contains the MSI P67A-C43 board, but after checking the specs, it doesn't look to have any Firewire ports. His HV-30 doesn't support video transfer over USB, so I'll need to go with a motherboard that has Firewire.

Thanks again.




a full hour of HD video won't fit on a regular DVD (a dvd will hold about 20 mins of 1080i), so, yeah, Blu-Ray burner needed.


from final cut pro' web size: http://documentation.apple.com/en/ [...] tasks=true

DV-format video HDV (1080i) (3.6 MB/sec)
10 secs: 108 MB; 1 min: 216 MB; 5 mins: 1.08 GB; 10 mins: 2.16 GB; 30 mins: 6.5 GB; 1 Hour: 13 GB

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HDV/Mpeg2 uncompressed video does run ~13GB an hour.

AVCHD/H.264/Mpeg4 (Blu-Ray) works much better compressing video more effectively than older standards. If your friends video editing software uses the newer codecs he'll have no trouble encoding an hour's worth of HDV video to fit on a DVD.
Blu-Ray burner not needed.

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Just wanted to say thanks for all of the help. I placed the order a couple of days ago. I had to go elsewhere for the motherboard (went with the P67A-GD65), which I ordered from tigerdirect.

 

Today I received an email stating it is backordered... Everything else has shipped, so I'm a bit concerned about how long it will take for the motherboard to ship. I've had an account with TD for about 10 years, and always had good luck...just wish the site would've told me it wasn't currently available (as newegg does).

 

Regardless, Thanks again!

 

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ave05 wrote :

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the help. I placed the order a couple of days ago. I had to go elsewhere for the motherboard (went with the P67A-GD65), which I ordered from tigerdirect.

Today I received an email stating it is backordered... Everything else has shipped, so I'm a bit concerned about how long it will take for the motherboard to ship. I've had an account with TD for about 10 years, and always had good luck...just wish the site would've told me it wasn't currently available (as newegg does).

Regardless, Thanks again!



Typical tigerdirect nonsense

Whenever something is 'hot' they claim it is in stock until you order it. They are quite frankly liars. I recently ordered a GPU from tigerdirect that was 'In Stock' at the time of order. The GPU was out of stock at newegg. Two days later an e-mail from TD... 'your crap is backordered it'll be in on Friday, then we'll ship it... BTW we hate you'

I called and tried to cancel the order they tried to sell me some service for $10 a month and I told them just cancel my order I don't want to sign up for your service. they cancelled but I wasn't sure if the sales rep in the Phillipines was going to charge my card for some service they had signed me up for.

Anyways the GPU came up on newegg for the same price that day and I ordered it. It was here on friday before tigerdirect would have even sent it...


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