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January 13, 2011 11:04:59 AM

My graphics card has just died on me (HD 4870) and i am looking to get a new card.

I have been looking at the GTX 460 and the Radeon 5850, my price range is about 150-160£

Yet i am stuck at which one i should get.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Cheers :) 

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a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2011 11:12:39 AM

imho, find the cheapest 6870.
January 13, 2011 11:16:21 AM

Ah thats a good idea, never thought about getting a 6870, the only problem i can find with that, not that i am looking for problems :p  , is that i might have to upgrade my PSU also. I am only running a corsair 550W.
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a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2011 12:33:19 PM

If the 5850 is the same price as a 460 then get it
a b U Graphics card
January 13, 2011 3:49:55 PM

The 5850 is a more powerful card than the 460. They can be had for about $180 right now (after rebate). XFX has a Black Edition (OC'ed card) available for the same price as the standard ones on newegg right now- it's a very solid deal, and of course you get XFX's double liftetime warranty. 500w PSU required so you're set. The 6870 is a great card, but the cheapest around right now looks to be about $210 after rebates.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150499&cm_re=5850-_-14-150-499-_-Product

a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 12:27:57 AM

As malmental can testify, I do like ATI cards, but I do like Nvidia too.

So let me give you my experience with the 5000 series.

The 5850 is going to be faster than the 460 for the most part, but the 5000 series cards, at least the earlier versions, have had issues with vertical line crashes. These crashes are because the VRM's on them would overheat. I'm not sure how common this problem is, but it's definitely not rare. Luckily I have not seen these issues with the 6000 cards (nor heard of).

I'd probably feel safer with a 460 1gb myself, rather than a 5850. You might even have use for PhysX.
a c 176 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 12:30:52 AM

If you can run the 5850, you can run the 6870. I believe they use the same amount of power or the 6870 uses slightly less. Its faster then the 5850 as well.
a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 12:35:10 AM

Quote:
do not get a HDxx50 series, waste of money IMO.
I'd take the GTX460 over the HD5850.
I'd rather have the HD5870 instead as well.
so with that being said the GTX560 is now out and sale price is the same as the GTX460..


Dude your delusional. A 5850 smokes a 460 any day and not only that it will overclock past 5870 speeds.

Oh and the 560, not out yet. Put the pipe down.

to Alex, 550w is more than enough for a 5850.
a c 649 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 2:22:50 AM

The HD5xxx series has pitiful DirectX 11 tesselation performance. Either go with the GTX460 or HD6870. The 460 will be cheaper, both will run fine with a 550 watt PSU.
a c 176 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 9:36:03 AM

Choosing a card based on tess performance is like picking one for PhysX. So few games use it that its rather pointless. I can see picking the 68xx for the better performance or power numbers. But tess or PhysX only if I play those few games that (currently) support it.
a c 217 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 1:02:54 PM

It's also true that the 5000 terrible performance only occurs when a program uses it a lot. It's not that bad when used mildly. Currently, as far as I'm aware, only the extreme tesselation option in Heaven benchmark pushes it enough to cause terrible performance with the 5000 cards. Perhaps in the future there will be games that it will hit hard, but it's not so bad right now.
a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 1:23:23 PM

heres the trend. the gtx570 replaces the gtx480, if the gtx560 comes out, put its performance near the gtx470. having said that, a 6870 is up to par with a gtx470 already (gur3d.com). theres like a 5fps difference, give or take between a gtx470 and 6870, and humongous difference in power draw even if you overclock a 6870.

and as far as dx11 performance is concerned, coupled with hd resolutions or higher, the argument is invalid. a game that is tessellation heavy like metro2033 requires a multi-gpu setup to be silky smooth, sure you can argue that geforce cards do score higher on unigine but in practical applications such as metro2033, i'll say it again, it's invalid.

January 14, 2011 2:14:30 PM

The 5850 is a good card, especially if you can find them for around $170-180. They're good overclockers and can get to 5870+ performance.
a c 124 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 2:27:19 PM

4745454b said:
If you can run the 5850, you can run the 6870. I believe they use the same amount of power or the 6870 uses slightly less. Its faster then the 5850 as well.


This. Look for a deal on a 6870. But if you must choose between 5850 and 460... hard to say. I might have gone with SLI 460s had they been released when I was purchasing instead of my 5850s, but the 5850s are a bit faster on their own.
a c 176 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 2:37:15 PM

I was on newegg looking at 5850s and 6870s. I think I saw a 6870 for around $215. (might have been $230ish. Can't remember if there was a rebate.) Not sure the 6870 is worth an extra $40 or so over a $180 GTX460/5850. I'd probably take the 5850 if I was just getting one, or take whatever my mobo supported if I was getting an CF/SLI setup between the GTX460/6870.
a c 124 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 2:47:32 PM

4745454b said:
I was on newegg looking at 5850s and 6870s. I think I saw a 6870 for around $215. (might have been $230ish. Can't remember if there was a rebate.) Not sure the 6870 is worth an extra $40 or so over a $180 GTX460/5850. I'd probably take the 5850 if I was just getting one, or take whatever my mobo supported if I was getting an CF/SLI setup between the GTX460/6870.


Either way it's a good deal to me! My 5850s were $300 each in May.

But anyway... what he said (again...) lol
a c 124 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 2:56:17 PM

Yeah but a 6850 isn't as good as a 5850 at the same price. I'd only consider it if crossfire was a certainty.
a c 176 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 3:15:06 PM

Yeah, the 6850 doesn't outperform the 5850 like the 6870 does. And at $180ish or lower, the the 5850 makes a great buy.
January 14, 2011 3:20:26 PM

Well I posted it because it was $160 after rebate and it could overclock to 6870 performance fairly easy.
a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 5:10:48 PM

So to try to summarize what has been said (holding out unsupported "i dont like x, y, z" type comments):

The 5850 should perform slightly better than a 6850 or 460 1GB. They are all available for around the same price (after rebates). The 6850 has the perk of only requiring 1 6-pin PCI-e connector (if that's a concern for you). 6850 and 460 scale a bit better than the 5850. 460 has the tesselation/physX card up it's sleeve, though again that isn't a huge point of contention in current titles. You will get roughly the same performance out of all 3, so at the end of the day you really can't make a bad decision. Factor in whether you want to Crossfire/SLI, your PSU, and your preference in and pick one of these great products. Some links to reviews/benchies below so you can get it straight from the review desk. Let us know what you decide on!

6850 reviews (includes comparisons to 5850 and 460:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/amds-radeon-6870-6850-renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market
a c 273 U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 5:24:23 PM

beltzy said:
The 5850 is a more powerful card than the 460. They can be had for about $180 right now (after rebate). XFX has a Black Edition (OC'ed card) available for the same price as the standard ones on newegg right now- it's a very solid deal, and of course you get XFX's double liftetime warranty. 500w PSU required so you're set. The 6870 is a great card, but the cheapest around right now looks to be about $210 after rebates.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150499&cm_re=5850-_-14-150-499-_-Product


The OP used the pound sterling and euro sign and yet you still reference the egg and mention double lifetime warranty, both of which are useless to the OP. Why do you do this?
a b U Graphics card
January 14, 2011 5:56:08 PM

Thanks for pointing that out- I simply didn't catch that (focused on US market) :??:  . If the prices availalbe to you are significantly different, it may change the scenario. The performance figures should still help you make your selection.
January 15, 2011 1:54:13 AM

The 5850 is a solid card, but the upsides to the 460 is:It runs much cooler according to benchmarks. It's smaller (majority of cases), and in SLI, they get veryyy impressive results. Putting it up and beyond the 480, for a cheaper price. On top of that, Nvidia is in the beta for the release of new drivers, which increases the performance specifically for 400 series and 500 series Nvidia cards, by a decent amount.
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