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HD 5770 vs. GTX 460 for Civilizations V.

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January 16, 2011 1:19:09 AM

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Looking at wrapping up my system upgrade. Recently purchased a new MSI 880GM-E41 motherboard, 8GB of Mushkin DDR3 PC3-10666 ram, and a PhenomII 3.4GHz Dual-core CPU. And have switched to Windows 7.

I have a 500W PSU, and a GeForce 8600GT.

My last upgrade will be the GPU. The 5770 has been one I've been keeping my eye on, mostly due to recommendations. But now I'm wondering if the GTX 460 would also be a viable option. (Considering the "sale price" and free shipping)

I'm hoping an unbiased person could have a quick look at their respective specifications and shed some light on which card would be best suited to games such as Civilization V and the latest "Sims" game.

Thanks for your time.

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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 1:26:55 AM

Well, to start you off, I am completely bias towards AMD, but the gtx 460 1gb is so much better that I would take that over a hd5770 in a heartbeat. Get the gtx 460 1gb. ;)  You might want to consider the hd6850 too though.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:21:53 AM

I would agree,the gtx460 is much better than the 5770 and it gives you lots of room for O.C.ing.

What is the name/brand/model of the PSU u have?
And what version gtx460 were u thinking of getting?Plz post a link if u can.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:23:54 AM

The MSI GTX 460 Hawk is a great GTX 460 1gb, also the hd6850 TOXIC is good, I know because I own one.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:30:32 AM

there is no doubt both will be a big upgrade, but first, what is your monitors resoultion?? your budget?? and the make and model of your psu?? Def a gtx 460 or a 6850 would be your best bet without knowing the above info, I personally would not bother with the 5770 unless gaming at 720p or less, although I have owned one and it is a decent card, for the money grab a 1 gig 460 or 6850 imo the msi hawk and (sapphire?) toxic are good models from what I have read. Get back to us about the make and model of your psu.... also I slight oc to your cpu will help in cpu intensive rts games which i believe civ 5 falls into that category (probably should have went with a quad, oh well you will be okay), as far as the sims is considered that game should scream with either card..
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:30:56 AM

What is your budget for a gpu and at what resolution are you playing?
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:41:46 AM

Embra said:
What is your budget for a gpu and at what resolution are you playing?

Civilization V and the latest Sims, $200, did you even read what he said?
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:48:16 AM

HostileDonut said:
Civilization V and the latest Sims, $200, did you even read what he said?

Ok, in the first post the OP doesn't mention either correct me if I'm wrong, where are you getting this?? As far as I can tell the OP has only posted once...whats going on here, he says civ 5 and the sims but no mention of $200 or his resolution or psu so those are some important specs that we need to know before moving on with a recommendation, so if the OP could give the res, budget, and psu specs then we can move forward

but for a half ass recommendation I would say gtx 460/6850 get back to us tragicmagic
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a c 214 U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:55:35 AM

Might be okay for more CPU intensive games.Your mobo can unlock cores so it is possible you can turn your dual core into a triple or quad core.

"Unlock CPU Core
MSI's Unlock CPU Core technology can help unlock the hidden CPU cores to release the potential for an easy, quick performance boost."

Straight from the mobo's specs.

Which model is the dual core? 555/565?
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:56:01 AM

jjb8675309 said:
Ok, in the first post the OP doesn't mention either correct me if I'm wrong, where are you getting this?? As far as I can tell the OP has only posted once...whats going on here, he says civ 5 and the sims but no mention of $200 or his resolution or psu so those are some important specs that we need to know before moving on with a recommendation, so if the OP could give the res, budget, and psu specs then we can move forward

but for a half ass recommendation I would say gtx 460/6850 get back to us tragicmagic

Okay, did you even read the title? $200. Look again. I never said anything about the res or PSU did I, correct me if I am wrong. All he said about the PSU is that it is 500w.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:05:14 AM

HostileDonut said:
Okay, did you even read the title? $200. Look again. I never said anything about the res or PSU did I, correct me if I am wrong. All he said about the PSU is that it is 500w.

ok ok for me, the title still appears 5770 vs gtx 460 for civ 5 but whatever, if 200 is the budget and his psu can handle it then the point is that he should probably go with a gtx 460/6850 or something in that ballpark, the 560 should be out soon and from what I'm hearing should be priced similarly to the 460 so that could be a possibility if the op wants to wait a short while. Overall that is the level of gpu that I would recommend... in the end the op clarify some of these details when they get back on this thread next. Besides that im not accusing you of saying this or that I just want to know for my own info if you thought that bc I quoted you forgive me.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:21:16 AM

BinaryCode said:
Where in this thread does it say the budget is $200?
Anyway the 5850 is the best choice by far ,forget about about the 6850.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

yeah I guess you could make that argument both with OC like demons and 6850 only needs 1 6 pin but 5850 is not a bad option, its not like the "improved tessellation" makes a quantifiable difference from 5 to 6 series/ is utilized enough in todays games to matter but in the end both cards are pretty similar with the 5850 having a little more muscle but being older tech personally I would go 6850 and OC or grab a 6870 and OC (I got my XFX 6870 to 1050 core 1185 mem @1.3v full load temp never above 68C with an aggressive fan graph in sapphire trixx) some 6870s can be had for around 210 AR so if the OP can go that high that might be a good option, or a firesale on a 5870 lol. But until we know his budget,psu, and resolution all this conversation is of little value but interesting none the less.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:23:36 AM

with that dual core however I personally would not go much higher than a 6870/gtx 470 level of GPU
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:32:56 AM

Oh, yes, I now look like a ****** don't I? It was a different thread that was $200. My bad.
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January 16, 2011 3:34:29 AM

gtx 460 1gb would be a wise choice!! its much better than the hd 5770! but if you are on a budget buy the hd 5770 as the gtx 460 costs more than the hd 5770. but the couple of bucks you are spending extra pays off!!
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:35:26 AM

haha no worries I thought I was hallucinating bc the title was incorrect lol the reality of this matter is that $200 is probably a good budget to match up with his system, but ounce we know what he can actually spend then we will be good to go
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:37:15 AM

jjb8675309 said:
haha no worries I thought I was hallucinating bc the title was incorrect lol the reality of this matter is that $200 is probably a good budget to match up with his system, but ounce we know what he can actually spend then we will be good to go

Thanks for going easy on me. :lol: 
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a c 214 U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:38:03 AM

I guess you could assume $200 because it looks liek he already has a GTX460 lined up...or was thinking about getting it so it's within his budget.But only assumptions...

"But now I'm wondering if the GTX 460 would also be a viable option. (Considering the "sale price" and free shipping)'

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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:41:49 AM

purple stank said:
I guess you could assume $200 because it looks liek he already has a GTX460 lined up...or was thinking about getting it so it's within his budget.But only assumptions...

"But now I'm wondering if the GTX 460 would also be a viable option. (Considering the "sale price" and free shipping)'


true, true but if that is what he wants then why not wait for the gtx 560? Isnt that thing supposed to be out in a week or something? from what I've seen it should be a great bang for your buck type of card, faster and around then same price (probably)plus little chunk of change up from the gtx 460. Plus the 5 series has been solid thus far although somewhat expensive imo, but thats what you get with brand spankin new tech. what do you think?
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:45:51 AM

^ Yes, wait for the gtx560, unless you need something now. If you need it now, I would get a gtx 460 1gb hawk, hd6850 toxic, or a good hd6870.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:46:36 AM

^+1 with the given info this seems like the most logical option
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:47:55 AM

^ +1 because you "+1ed" me. :lol: 
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:50:30 AM

ohhh now your pissing off the kitty.... lol jk where is the op??
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 4:51:59 AM

jjb8675309 said:
ohhh now your pissing off the kitty.... lol jk where is the op??

The kitteh? I love kittehs! BTW I did not think that a kitteh would be this smart with computers. :lol:  But seriously, where is he? OP, IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLEASE RESPOND!!!!
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a c 214 U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 7:13:21 AM

If you do want to wait,i would wait a week after the gtx560 gets released.
I've been hearing people saying that ATI's price's might drop to contend with the GTX560's release.Could start to drop the 58xx series even further than what they r at now.
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January 16, 2011 8:58:31 AM

HostileDonut said:
Well, to start you off, I am completely bias towards AMD, but the gtx 460 1gb is so much better that I would take that over a hd5770 in a heartbeat. Get the gtx 460 1gb. ;)  You might want to consider the hd6850 too though.


me too , me too, me too
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January 16, 2011 2:10:37 PM

If only there were an objective comparison of Graphics Cards based on actual testing and then ranked in order of cost ... oh wait, what about:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

"Detailed graphics card specifications and reviews are great—that is, if you have the time to do the research. But at the end of the day, what a gamer needs is the best graphics card within a certain budget."

"So, if you don’t have the time to research the benchmarks, or if you don’t feel confident enough in your ability to pick the right card, then fear not. We at Tom’s Hardware have come to your aid with a simple list of the best gaming cards offered for the money."
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January 16, 2011 2:53:32 PM

Let me interject...
To answer a few of the questions I read:
The PSU is a Thermaltake PurePower 500NP (model: ISO-P500L) that I purchased at the same time I bought the 8600GT.

The CPU is a PhenomII 3.4GHz 565 Callisto. According to the AMDOverDrive Utility my processor hovers around 23 degrees Celsius at idle, and I haven't seen it go past 45 degrees with any kind of load on it. Because I'm new to this do-it-yourself computer thing, I'm a little iffy on whether or not I want to try and unlock a third core. I was going to purchase an aftermarket heatsink and fan, but decided not to. I don't want to overclock and not have the equipment last a long time.

My monitor is an Acer x193W with a max resolution of 1440 x 900. It only has one VGA connection port. At some point, I'd upgrade to a monitor with an HDMI connection, but its not a necessity at the moment.

The 5770 I was looking at comes to $160 with shipping and taxes, whereas the 460GTX comes to $180 with taxes only (free shipping). Was wondering if the extra $20 spent would be worth it.

Ideally, I wasn't looking to spend more than $150, all-in. But I've had a steady amount of overtime at work, and am therefore willing to spend a little more.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 2:58:33 PM

I'm not sure how core unlocking would go but wit AMDOverdrive it's pretty simple to O.C. but i understand their are some risks involved with O.Cing.

At 1400x900 you don't really need anything bigger than a 5770 but the GTX460 is futureproof and is very much worth the extra $20.

EDIT:I don't think unlocking cores will shorten it's lifespane because your not actually overclocking it.It was a core that was already there they just disabled it.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:13:25 PM

even at 1400X900 i would go with the 460, it is much more worth the money and 160 for a 5770 is a ripoff imo. Still I think you should wait for the gtx 560, i mean why not if you still have an 8600 you have waited for a long time as it is and the 560 should be out this week i believe. To me that is your best option but if you must buy something today or tomorrow grab a 1 gig 460, but really for around the same amount of money you should be able to get a 560 so the choice is up to you
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a c 214 U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:33:10 PM

^i agree with everything.Waiting for the GTX560 means that the prices will drop for other items as well to compete.

Also $160 for a 5770 is a little steep.They can go for as low as $120-$130.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 3:46:46 PM

yeah, wait for the 560 and either grab the 560 or grab a reduced 460...
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 5:36:29 PM

HostileDonut said:
The kitteh? I love kittehs! BTW I did not think that a kitteh would be this smart with computers. :lol:  But seriously, where is he? OP, IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLEASE RESPOND!!!!




Not that a female knows anything about computers, but if I had any knowledge what so ever ... I would recommend:

This GPU ;)  ....... not bad with the rebate.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 6:04:05 PM

Embra said:
Not that a female knows anything about computers, but if I had any knowledge what so ever ... I would recommend:

This GPU ;)  ....... not bad with the rebate.

your link does not work, what is the card? waiting til the 25th for the 560 is the best option imo
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 6:05:30 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
At $160 this superclocked 460 comes with a free game (Just Cause 2) woth $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but ..... 560 arrives January 25th


that seems like a good deal, but still may be some better ones once the 560s arrive, if not the 560 itself
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 9:26:06 PM

Malmental, I think that you are very very bias to Nvidia. I think that the hd6850 is great for the price. Just because it is not Nvidia does not mean it is bad, I like my hd6850.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 9:38:23 PM

I have heard that you can not flash the hd6850 sadly. What do you not like about it? It's a great card.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 10:01:23 PM

Well, just because it's a xx50 doesn't mean it is a cheap and bad.
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a b U Graphics card
January 16, 2011 10:18:53 PM

Well, I think everyone would take a xx70 over a xx50. :lol: 
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January 24, 2011 3:01:14 AM

Best answer selected by tragicmagic81.
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a c 329 U Graphics card
January 24, 2011 10:13:13 AM

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