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June 21, 2011 6:58:16 AM

Hello everybody,
I am kinda new at this not really.
I have a Intel® Pentium® Processor E2180 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB) - intel website (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=31733).

I am thinking of replacing my current processor with either a Duo or a Quad core, but I have been going through forums and topics like this are a bit outdated. But what I want to know is that would it be smarter to go Duo? or Quad? and do the extra cores do anything to "expand" preformance? like do the extra cores/threads multiply the max GHz or does it stay the same.
example:
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E8300
(6M Cache, 2.83 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9505S
(6M Cache, 2.83 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

do the extra cores/threads of the quad out "GHz" the duo?
Looking for the best performance in gaming and non-gaming. :D 
-I am a Gamer

OH and I think I need more RAM right???? :heink: 

Specs:
Acer Aspire M1641 with a Nvidia MCP73 motherboard *LGA 775
Nvidia Geforce 9500 gt
Corsair 430 watt PSU
2GB RAM
(only experience of MODing PC's replacing Graphics card) :whistle: 
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June 21, 2011 7:48:36 AM

Depends on what you play and what you are willing to spend.

Firstly, more cores do not affect the clock speed (GHz value), so using your example, 2.83GHz on a dual is the same as 2.83 on a quad.
However, the extra cores allow the quad core to perform more tasks simultaneously than the dual. You could for example game and run a virus scan at the same time without affecting gaming performance too much, which you can''t do with only two cores.
For productivity, more cores all always better. The most recent games also support more than two cores, so that's another benefit. But, if gaming is your primary focus, the 9500GT is not exactly a great performer.
Next question: Yes, more RAM is always good. I would recommend at least 4GB.
One more thing: If you do upgrade, make sure your motherboard supports the new CPU.
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June 21, 2011 8:02:27 AM

put in an e7600 if you wont to put anything better in its not worth it

and you might as well go for a sandy bridge system (1155)
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June 21, 2011 8:18:33 AM

Thanks guys!
one more thing I just come up to a predicament about the RAM does the socket matter?
because was shopping for RAMs and alot of them have different sockets
Thanks again!
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June 21, 2011 9:06:46 AM

That's laptop RAM... Think the specs are different. I'm not sure they will fit in a desktop mobo.

But PC-6400 DDR2 is what you're looking for. Just get the desktop version.
June 21, 2011 10:41:46 AM

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

This is the type of memory you want, although for certain compatibility it would be safer to buy a pair of sticks;

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...



For gaming I would recommend a fast Core 2 Duo (2.8 GHz +), unless you need a quad Core for rendering or other very intensive specific tasks.

As previously mentioned, a Graphics card upgrade is called for also if you want to play the latest games, but you need to watch power requirements (PSU).

It may be worth buying a new motherboard/CPU/memory and sticking this on ebay....
Cheers.
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June 21, 2011 12:36:41 PM

forget dual cores these days seriously get with the times

2gb of ram? go to atleast 4gb

i hope your not using windows xp...

on the other hand your system has an nvidia chipset... supprised it still works (nvidia chipsets are poor at best) - maybe it is time to save your $$$ for a new rig.
June 21, 2011 5:35:29 PM

Hey guys tahnks for your input, I have recently come to this website with cheap RAM parts. They are of Acer model RAM but they are also made from the same company of my currect desktop (Acer Aspire M1641)
http://www.macmemorystore.com/Acer-Aspire/M1641-ram-mem...

Is it wise to buy from Acer? or would it be better to get the RAM bugleboy has recommended?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Just looking for the cheapest yet reliable RAM parts, but not the crapiest ><
(on a budget)
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June 21, 2011 6:02:01 PM

Whoa whoa whoa.

First off, open your case and read the motherboard model number. It's not necessarily going to be compatible with any Core 2 775 socket CPU.

My suggestion, for best value, is after you find out what CPU you can install, just get the fastest duo core ~3ghz, as the quads are not very good value (around $200 no way!). Then get 4gb of Kingston ValuRam and upgrade to Win 7 64bit. After that you might want to upgrade to a better HDD like a WD Caviar Black, Samsung Spinpoint F3, or Seagate Barracuda (7200rpm for all of them). And finally for gaming, a new GPU would make a big difference. A 5770 is one of the absolute best bang for your buck GPUs available right now.
June 21, 2011 10:00:08 PM

uh well I did find the motherboard number I think.

Anyways, I would like to have someone's input to my semi-final upgrade solution:
replacing
Intel® Pentium® Processor E2180 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
w/
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E7600
(3M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Replacing:
my currect ACER 1GBx2 RAM
w/
Corsair XMS2 4GB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory Upgrade - 2x2048MB
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Specs:
Acer Aspire M1641 with a Nvidia MCP73 motherboard *LGA 775
Windows 7 32 bit
Corsair 430 watt PSU

System
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Manufacturer ACER
Model Aspire M1641
Total amount of system memory 2.00 GB RAM
System type 32-bit operating system
Number of processor cores 2
64-bit capable Yes

Graphics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Display adapter type NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
Total available graphics memory 1791 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 1024 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 767 MB
Display adapter driver version 8.17.12.7533
Primary monitor resolution 1280x1024
DirectX version DirectX 10

Network
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network Adapter NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
Network Adapter Compact Wireless-G USB Adapter


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June 21, 2011 10:38:52 PM

The RAM, yes.

But I still can't tell which mobo you have exactly. However, it seems to be either an nForce 500 or 600 series. In that case:
http://www.nvidia.com/content/nforce700i/nForce_Intel_C...

According to the list for dual cores, you can use E6300-6800, or E8200-8600. Not the one you chose, though.

I'd maybe try emailing Acer or using a live help chat about which CPUs will work. The Acer site does show 3 BIOS revisions for your PC, but there's zero documentation on it and I can't find a proper compatibility list.
June 21, 2011 11:23:58 PM

Hmm yeah well Thanks for looking up that stuff up WOLF! ><
but the problem is that I have tried to contact ACEr B4 but there is no support unless I were to have a warrenty which expired a few years ago, and they want me to buy another warrenty which I am not even thinking of right now.

Well I found out that my version of the nvidia motherboard can't be identified, I opened the PC my self and there was no indication of its model number besides of what I posted earlier Nvidia MCP73. And yes I know what a mtoherboard model number looks like XD
Though I did find a forum post about my motherboard (http://www.fixya.com/support/t5520664-please_may_tell) This guy couldn't find it either, but he guessed that it is like the MICROSTAR board. and from the link that he has posted and I followed to the CPU compatibility list: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P45T-C51.html#?div=CPUSup...

IDK really confused about the compatibility of the CPU to my motherboad
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June 22, 2011 12:33:40 AM

Well, you know, it looks like you have around $200.

You can get, for example, this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
AMD Phenom II X4 925 2.8ghz quad core plus motherboard
$165

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4ghz quad core plus motherboard
$222

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Intel i3-2100 3.1ghz dual core with hyperthreading and motherboard
$193
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June 22, 2011 12:52:39 AM

Upgrading to another dual core is fail........., C2Q it is still better than Phenom 2 for gaming 9505 is a great gaming CPU but hugely overpriced
June 22, 2011 1:03:37 AM

yeah well I dont want to replace my motherboard right now. Don't want to reinstall everything. and yes I am cheap like that, I am a student and with no job ATM so yeah go figure ><

But would replacing my Intel® Pentium® Processor E2180 (1M Cache, 2.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
w/
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E7600
(3M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115059
still look like an option? though my motherboard is an unknown
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June 22, 2011 3:41:27 AM

spentshells said:
Upgrading to another dual core is fail........., C2Q it is still better than Phenom 2 for gaming 9505 is a great gaming CPU but hugely overpriced


Um... PII and C2Q are pretty much neck and neck, at least to a point of being inconsequential. Also, we DO NOT KNOW what CPUs his motherboard will support. He buys the wrong one, and he's out all that cash. And he's not even looking at a C2Q, and if he was, the cheapest one is the Q8400 2.66ghz at $182.

inerstrenth: You're looking at a $150 CPU, which is way too expensive for what you're getting and for an extra $15 you get a new PII X4 plus the motherboard. Given that, and the fact that we don't even know if the CPU will work, it seems pretty silly to buy it.

So basically, new dual core CPU = $150. New C2Q = $182. And a whole new motherboard upgrade, with DDR3 support - which is cheaper than DDR2 and faster, and which will actually support overclocking, plus a new PII 925, for just $165... if you want value, it seems rather clear. Or buck up another $30 and you can get a sandy bridge CPU plus mobo (faster than the PII 925)

Not to mention the PII 925 is faster than the Q8400:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/81?vs=89
i3 2100 vs

Now, if you just really don't want to upgrade the motherboard for whatever reason, then you should spend as little as possible rather than buy that overpriced C2D E7600. FYI the only things you'd really need to reinstall is drivers. Easiest thing to do IMO would be a windows repair install after the new hardware is installed. Or, buy a Win 7 64bit license which you can take with you whenever you build a new PC.

But anyway, this one is much more reasonable: E6600 3.06ghz $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But will it work? :sarcastic: 
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June 22, 2011 4:07:30 AM

you have a Nforce 620i chipset
this is Nvidia Chipset CPU compatibility chart
http://www.nvidia.com/content/nforce700i/nForce_Intel_C...

look under 6 series on chart

the motherboard does have to be able to support the FSB
your currently at 800mhz FSB and more than likely your mobo
only goes up to 1066mhz

usuall it is 800/1066 or 1066/1333

the safe bet would be a Conroe 65w 65nm like the X6800
or maybe a Kentsfield like the Q6600 or Q6700

but the problem is the price of a good enough CPU to make the upgrade worthwhile
(at least want to jump about 500mhz ie 2.0 to 2.66) is kinda of high

Look on Ebay for used CPUs cheap otherwise not worth it

a I3 2100 and mobo would be about the same and blow away any of those CPUs
June 22, 2011 4:25:55 AM

WOW WOLF you are amazing!!
IDK how I overlooked the e6600 ><, but the e6800 looks soo much better! XD too bad its not compatible. But I would still be able to use the e6700 right? (being a bit paranoid of the compatibility ><)
Oh and I think I would need to update my BIOs after changing my CPU right?
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June 22, 2011 4:46:00 AM

just looked at Wolfs link
(good job Wolf)
On Nvidia chipset list
http://www.nvidia.com/content/nforce700i/nForce_Intel_C...

they do list Wolfdales 45nm cpus as compatible (whicht the Pentium E6600 is though they dont specifically mention it)
and it is at 1066mhz which is a safer bet

be careful since there is a Core2Duo E6600 if you are shopping around
which is weaker than the Pentium E6600

only thing is some motherboards wont support the 45nm chips due to voltages being different
depends on motherboard and the voltage regulator being used

your E2180 is a 65nm chip so the safer bet is sticking with another 65nm chip

BUT the chance of the Pentium E6600 working and the performance it would give
would be worth it

did you try CPU-Z to see if it listed a motherboard model
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

good free program
might give mobo maker and model
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June 22, 2011 4:46:56 AM

update BIOS BEFORE changing CPU
also remove motherboard battery and then put back in to clear the CMOS
June 22, 2011 5:23:09 AM

King, I used the CPUID like a week ago and all it gave me was MPC73, nvidia MCP73, chipset Geforce 7050

King you got me all confused with the 45nm ><
But I am looking for a dual/duo core (double core) NOW I am getting confused with the dual and the core 2 duo >< which one is better!
the Intel® Pentium® Processor E6700 (2M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 1066 FSB) is a 45nm
I am really confusing my self here >< looks like the CPU^ is a double core lol XD

Hmmm well the nvidia compatibility list is like 2008 so maybe outdated?????
this is soo frustrating, my motherboard is an unknown (uncommon) ><
June 22, 2011 5:31:23 AM

the Intel® Pentium® Processor E6700 (2M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 1066 FSB) is a 45nm what is the worst case scenario that when I replace the 65nm (current CPU) with 45nm????

Oh and the samething about the cache, since the e6700 has like a intel smart cache and my current CPU is a L2 cache, is there a problem with that?

my current CPU is a 775 socket looks like it is compatible but it is not on the compatibility list, not going to look for the date of when the e6700 was made GTG and do stuff out of the house lol :D . But I bet it came out after the compatibility manual thingy came out, or not IDK but the e6700 is made from wolfdale
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June 22, 2011 5:33:18 AM

just naming

Pentium Dual Core
and
Core2Duo
are both two cores

what intel did (still does) is make a Core2Duo and then make a Pentium version
with a few less "features"

a newer Pentium Dual Core like the E6600 is better than
a older Core2Duo E6600 though

45nm and 65nm just refers to the physicial die size of CPU
45nm is newer and better
though has slightly different voltage requirements

You know if you could find a seller with the Pentium E6600 that had
a good return policy.............

nothing wrong with trying a product and if it doesnt work returning it :) 

anly takes about 15 minutes to swap out CPUs
and would just cost you return shipping if it didnt work

some might question the ethics though......
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June 22, 2011 2:30:33 PM

That's the beauty of local retailers. 7 day return policy ftw!
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June 22, 2011 4:47:48 PM

Definitley the Pentium E6600 would be worth trying out for that price
as long as the OP can return it if it doesnt work

the performance increase for the $75 would be nice

also upgrade the card from the 9500gt to a HD 5770 or HD 5670
depending on the PSU

or a GTX 450 or GTX 250 (keep those Nvidia fans happy :)  )
June 22, 2011 9:13:40 PM

well seeing that the e6700 is on the list I am going to get the e6700 not the e6600 :) 
I think Tiger direct has the 7 day return policy last time I checked right?
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June 22, 2011 10:13:47 PM

The E6700 on the nvidia list is the Core2Duo E6700 which
is different from the Pentium E6700 (if that is what you are referring to)

the Core2Duo E6700 would be the safest bet
the most compatible
almost definitley would work
the Pentium E6600 would be faster
but bigger chance it wouldnt work

Me personally I would go with the Core2Duo E6700
or if cheap enough go with a X6800 which are both Conroes
(the Pentium E6600 is a Wolfdale)
since the difference in speed is not dramatic
and the Conroe Core2Duos would be the most compatible
June 23, 2011 1:51:26 AM

Yes king that is what I ment about the e6700. But I would like to get the pentium e6700/e6600 is soo much cheaper! buy a lot!
Besides Tigerdirect and new egg don't sell them anymore, and they would sell them cheap! ><
I also checked the other brands other than (wolfdale/conroe) on tigerdirect and new egg, non-existant there ><

But what got me thinking now is that my current processor is not listed on the compatibility list as well dual core e2180

I think I will settle with the pentium e6700, it seems to be compatible but who knows >< Unless someone who actually knows if it won't work XD
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June 23, 2011 2:39:36 AM

I tried doing a Google search and Toms search on your model number and CPU
and I didnt find anybody swapping out
CPUs
so the best bet is use the seller with the best return policy
and try the Pentium E6600/E6700
If it works then it is a really nice upgrade
and if it doesnt then you arent worse off than before
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June 23, 2011 3:42:55 AM

Abondon ship.... if you can't afford A new i3 chip and board look at a 3 or 4 care athlon 2 if you don't overclock the you could buy the ram board and chip for 160 bucks

it seems like a much better path then investing into the machine you ar currently running, and for the record a C2Q still faster than an equaly clocked P2 but I will agree it isn't worth the price........
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June 23, 2011 4:47:14 AM

To quote the OP
"yeah well I dont want to replace my motherboard right now. Don't want to reinstall everything. and yes I am cheap like that, I am a student and with no job ATM so yeah go figure "


You are right spenshells BUT the OP doesnt want to change out mobo and cpu
He has a tight budget and the Pentium E6700
which is $85 with free shipping on Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
is alot cheaper than new CPU/Mobo
if you look here
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,295...
the E6800 still gets a honorable mention in Toms CPU guide
and the E6700 is only a little slower

If his budget is under a $100 then that is his best option
really there is no option even between $100-$150 for mobo/cpu
that could outperform the E6700
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June 23, 2011 4:52:13 AM

also remember he is using a Acer OEM tower
so swapping in mobo and cpu into that would probably be tough
so he is looking at a case too

I have a Core2Duo 3.0ghz and I want to switch to the X 3 Rana 455
myself
but in his position if his budget is under a $100
than the Pentium E6xxx series is his best option
June 23, 2011 5:01:19 AM

Dude spent, just by looking at how you are "talking" I seem to find that you are only talking about your opinion, lol.

Besides I have a intel pentium 2180, and the one that I am going to get is the intel pentium e6700 its the same intel model just hope it works ><.

Also I overlooked the part where Nvidia made the motherboard lol, I just sent a message to them. Acer has a really crappy support system ><
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June 23, 2011 9:55:44 AM

if your only experience is changing a graphics card, then bear in mind that changing a CPU is a bit more complicated.

You have to remove the existing heatsink/fan, which can be a bit complicated, depending on the fastening method. Then you have to open the socket and extract the existing CPU; not particularly difficult, but you want to be careful not to damage it in case you have to put it back. Next, put the new CPU into the socket (be careful to put it the right way around!) - be careful not to zap it with static. Close the socket. Apply thermal paste (this is a complicated subject - you should look it up). Reinstall the heatsink / fan after cleaning any old thermal interface material from it. Don't forget to plug the fan back in.

Not saying you can't do it, just saying it's a bit more complicated than plugging in a graphics card.
June 23, 2011 9:45:43 PM

hehe well I read stuff on how to replace the processor way before creating this thread ><.

I think I figured out why the Pentium e6700 wouldn't work on my MOBO since it uses a 2 MB Intel® Smart Cache, where my currect processor is using a L2 cache. I think that is why it isn't compatible, right? please tell me I am wrong XD XD
June 23, 2011 10:05:40 PM

OH also regarding my RAM I am going to get would there be a problem is I were to get a PC6400, where I am currently using a PC2-5300 (333MHz)??
In the case it does cause a problem getting this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
than:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Would be better right?

I have also found my PC full model number and everything (not the MOBO ><) hopefully this will give you more info, http://www99.epinions.com/Acer_Aspire_AM1641_U1521A_Des...
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June 24, 2011 2:41:35 AM

inerstrength said:
Dude spent, just by looking at how you are "talking" I seem to find that you are only talking about your opinion, lol.

Besides I have a intel pentium 2180, and the one that I am going to get is the intel pentium e6700 its the same intel model just hope it works ><.

Also I overlooked the part where Nvidia made the motherboard lol, I just sent a message to them. Acer has a really crappy support system ><




my computer is way faster than yours and it always will be so there :p 

Q6600@3.8
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June 24, 2011 7:52:47 AM

spentshells said:
my computer is way faster than yours and it always will be so there :p 

Q6600@3.8



What is this, kindergarten? Sheesh.
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June 24, 2011 8:03:46 AM

^+1 LMAO Herr Koos

Remember guys it is not the size of your computer
but how you use it LOL
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June 24, 2011 8:38:44 AM

Herr_Koos said:
What is this, kindergarten? Sheesh.


the skill level certainly comes across as that

hehehehe so does my spelling

but for the record cd2 is still faster tech than p2 if you feel it is just my opinion you should read a book
June 24, 2011 5:38:00 PM

I think I figured out why the Pentium e6700 wouldn't work on my MOBO since it uses a 2 MB Intel® Smart Cache, where my currect processor is using a L2 cache. I think that is why it isn't compatible, right? please tell me I am wrong XD XD

Also regarding my RAM I am going to get would there be a problem is I were to get a PC6400, where I am currently using a PC2-5300 (333MHz)??


Question Bump =.=
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June 24, 2011 6:00:39 PM

the cache wouldnt make a difference
without knowing mobo specifics you have to go by chipset
which is a Nvidia 620i which in the CPU support list
a wolfdale 45nm 65watt 1066mhz is supported
the Pentium E6700 is a 45nm 65watt 1066mhz
so "theoritically" it should work

you wont really know until you take the chance and
try it :) 

make sure you have a good return policy
make sure you update BIOS if possible BEFORE installing CPU
also clear the CMOS by removing mobo battery for a minute then reinstalling
before CPU swap

If want a safer bet go with a E4xxx series
that is a 65nm 65watt 800mhz FSB Core2Duo
they are cheap on EBAY used
I just saw a E4600 for $44 free shipping

I have a E4500 which I OC to 3.0ghz
It scores 6.3 on Win7 WEI which is reasonable (highest is 7.9)

I personally would take the chance on the Pentium E6xxx
if it works it is a heck of an upgrade over what you have now
June 24, 2011 9:24:13 PM

Also regarding my RAM I am going to get would there be a problem is I were to get a PC6400, where I am currently using a PC2-5300 (333MHz)??

Question bump again lol XD

Thanks King for helping me though this ><
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June 24, 2011 9:33:33 PM

Usually PC2-6400 or DDR2-800
will replace DDR2-667 or PC2-5300 no problem
any board that takes DDR2-667 will take DDR2-800

I would go to Crucial website and use their memory finder there
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June 24, 2011 10:26:05 PM

I don't know that it's worth it to get a new minor CPU upgrade and RAM. You can just do something like this build, which is leaps and bounds better and you can upgrade it to an i5 2400 quad core easy.

BIOSTAR H61ML LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 3MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core $125 (with $10 off right now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) $39
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $205 (-$10 promo)
June 25, 2011 12:01:46 AM

Concerning the BIOs I couldn't find any update for my OS Windows 7. Nvidia suggested that I were to update my BIOs to be able to recognize E6700. Hopefully Windows 7 already has the correct BIOs for e6700, if not HELP????
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June 25, 2011 3:03:11 AM

Check acer support site
BIOS updates dont have anything to do with Windows 7
they are programs that run within windows that update the actually
motherboard chip containing the basic instructions for you motherboard
!