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January 17, 2011 3:44:08 PM

Hello,

I'm searching for a upgrade of my old computer, which is a Medion MD8818. It has a no-name PSU, Nvidia GeForce 7650GS, Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 @1.86GHz and 2GB of DDR2. My monitor resolution is 1920x1080, but it ain't a requirement to play games in native resolution, 1440x900 is good for me. Budget is about €120. I have been looking at the HD4770, but that one isn't available any more in Belgium.

Thanks!
Intel520

PS: I prefer to not have to upgrade my PSU.

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January 17, 2011 3:48:25 PM

My monitor resolution is 1920x1080.
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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 3:59:10 PM

Wow. Yeah, you need a new Power Supply & a Video card then.

The 4770 or 5670 are going to be extremely lacking at your resolution. And your power supply isn't going to be sufficient for any video card that's strong enough to play at 1920x1080. The other problem will be your processor (CPU). The E6300 is decent, but may not be fast enough for some of the latest/fastest video cards available.

At 1920x1080 I personally would want to look at the ATI 6850 or nVidia GTX 460 1GB to start with. Both would be fairly suitable to your processor, and would work fairly well @ 1920x1080 (albeit not with max settings in many games). Both would require you to install a better power supply though.

The BEST bet however, at your resolution, would be an ATI 5850, GTX 470, or ATI 6870 if you wanted to use High details with all the settings turned up. But your CPU would then be a limiting factor in your overall performance.

Without upgrading your power supply, I wouldn't push anything more than the 5670 though. And with that video card, you certainly won't be playing @ 1920x1080. You'll want to reduce your graphic settings and turn the resolution down too.
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January 17, 2011 4:01:45 PM

It isn't a problem for me to play at lower resolutions, 1440x900 is good too, I just want my PC to last another year or so. And if I upgrade my PSU, I need a new MoBo (but I have a BTX case..., so a new case too), cause my CPU will be bottlenecking (my MoBo only accepts 65nm CPUs, so thats another problem). It's a vicious circle :p . In that case I'm just better getting of a new PC, but like I said, I want to use this computer for another year :) .
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a c 413 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 4:08:04 PM

The HD 5570 would be a safer bet. It is about the same performance as the older HD 4670 or roughly 25% slower than the HD 5670.

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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 4:12:01 PM

Here's a comparison of the power use between the ATI 5670 and 5570.

About 32W total difference in the system.


Reviewer used:
- Intel Core i7 965 Extreme Edition (Overclocked @ 3.70GHz)
- x3 2GB G.Skill DDR3 PC3-12800 (CAS 9-9-9-24)
- Asus P6T Deluxe (Intel X58)
- OCZ GameXStream (700 watt)
- Seagate 500GB 7200-RPM (Serial ATA300)

Tom's Hardware Comparison
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5570,2552...

Tom's shows a 23W difference between the two cards.

So yes, the 5570 is a safer bet. But, assuming the power supply is decent and isn't too old, the 5670 should be fine.

It would be nice to determine the Brand & Model of the power supply though (or get a photo of the sticker on the power supply itself). That way we can look at it's specs and try to determine a quality level.
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January 17, 2011 4:15:33 PM

I see the 5570 uses less power, but if I look up benchmark, there is quite a performance penalty too...
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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 4:17:26 PM

Yeah, I think jaguar is keying on the fact that you only have a 300w PSU, and don't have a brand name on it. His concern is whether your power supply is really sufficient for the 5670 or not. If it's a low quality unit, or is old, or both, it may not actually put out 300W anymore.
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a c 413 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 4:17:57 PM

^^^

It is the no-name-brand PSU that is holding you back. You need to replace it if you want a better performing video card.
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January 17, 2011 4:24:54 PM

Alright, I will take a look at the HD5570, but in a topic on a other forum I read that someone put a HD4850 in his PC, and he has the same PC as me. That's crazy.
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a c 413 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 4:34:35 PM

He might be pushing his luck.

Look at the sticker on the PSU and tell us what it states. It should look something like the following:

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January 17, 2011 5:22:34 PM

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a c 413 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 6:54:22 PM

That is not a no-name-brand PSU. It is a Fortron Source PSU which has a good reputation for building good quality PSUs. And it explains why someone was able to install a HD 4850, but it's still pushing that PSU though.

Go ahead and buy the HD 5670 or the faster HD 5750 if you can afford it. A HD 5770 uses less power than a HD 4850, but I wouldn't recommend it.
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January 17, 2011 7:03:03 PM

Oh thanks, sorry for the confusion. I will go with a HD5750 then. Thanks alot to everyone who posted!
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a c 413 U Graphics card
January 17, 2011 7:06:21 PM

Also, make sure the card you buy is PCI-e 2.0 not PCI-e 2.1 just in case.

There seems to be a compatibility problem with PCI-e 2.1 video cards and PCI-e 1.0 slots.

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January 19, 2011 4:45:36 PM

Can my PSU handle a Intel Core2Quad Q6600 (in combination with the HD5750)? And if so, will I benefit from it?
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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 5:15:18 PM

The Q6600 has a 125W TDP.

The e6300 has a 90.5W TDP.

So the upgrade would mean an extra 35W being pulled on your Power Supply. If you want any room for overclocking you'd definitely want a better power supply in my opinion. The Q6600 runs 2.4Ghz at stock speeds, and can often times hit 3.2 - 3.6Ghz with air cooling. However you have to crank up the voltage to do so (which means more power and more heat).

Regardless, personally I'd want a higher watt PSU before I'd put in the Q6600.
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January 19, 2011 5:27:48 PM

My motherboard doesn't support OCing, so I can't OC. But is it possible to run stable if I add the Q6600?
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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:11:26 PM

I would recommend filling in as much detail on this page as you can:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

This Power Supply Calculator works fairly well to determine what your system would ACTUALLY use based on every little detail. Video card, Processor, DVD drivers, Fans, etc. You can list all the components in your computer to determine how much juice it's actually going to pull.

I entered the ATI 5750, Q6600, 1 IDE 7200rpm hard drive, 1 DVD drive, 1 92mm fan, 1 120mm fan and it recommended a minimum 279W. However, this may not be accurate depending on all the actual components in your PC. Let alone, the age of a power supply ultimately can affect the amount of power it can actually output.

Your PSU has a max output of 280W on the +12V, and a Max overall of 300W. So personally, I'd be a lot more comfortable with a better PSU. Running a PSU at it's maximum creates more heat with in it, and ultimately will stress it more. This could lead to premature failure.
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a b U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:13:11 PM

yea your psu should be fine, i'd say 5750 would be a good match, pushing it with a q6600 ... but i wouldn't hesitate to throw a 5670 and a q6600 in there with an fsp

5670 should game fine at 1440x900
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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:19:12 PM

g00fysmiley said:
yea your psu should be fine, i'd say 5750 would be a good match, pushing it with a q6600 ... but i wouldn't hesitate to throw a 5670 and a q6600 in there with an fsp

5670 should game fine at 1440x900


Little confusing on my first read. I think he said:

1) PSU should be fine with a 5750.
2) You'd be pushing it by adding a Q6600 & the 5750.
3) He wouldn't hesitate to use the Q6600 & 5670 though.

Did I interpret that right?
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January 19, 2011 6:23:12 PM

The PSU Calc gives me a minimum of 277W without Capacitor Aging, but since my computer is almost 4 years old, is assume there is some Capacitor Aging... Anyway, if I upgrade my PSU, will a ATX PSU fit in my BTX case?
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a b U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:27:13 PM

jerreece said:
Little confusing on my first read. I think he said:

1) PSU should be fine with a 5750.
2) You'd be pushing it by adding a Q6600 & the 5750.
3) He wouldn't hesitate to use the Q6600 & 5670 though.

Did I interpret that right?



yep thats what i am saying, thanks for translating g00fy to english :D 
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a c 75 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:27:23 PM

Intel520 said:
The PSU Calc gives me a minimum of 277W without Capacitor Aging, but since my computer is almost 4 years old, is assume there is some Capacitor Aging... Anyway, if I upgrade my PSU, will a ATX PSU fit in my BTX case?


That entirely depends on your case design. :)  Your existing PSU may already be an ATX style. The photo you provided shows a model number of FSP300-60GTM. I'm not finding any legitimate websites with any information on that PSU. :( 

I searched the Fortron site for FSP300-60GTM and it came back with "No Data". However, there are two other FSP300-60 models. One is an ATX style, the other is obviously not. The FSP300-60LG is a long thin unit (150 x 81.5 x 40.5 mm), the FSP300-60PFG is an ATX (140 x 150 x 86 mm).
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a b U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:37:04 PM

BTX PSU is almost the same as atx , sometimes they will only bolt 3/4 skrews in as it is only a little off, lookign at your model Medion MD8818 looks big enough to acomidate a full atx inside

if you want confirmation take any atx psu be it low or high powered heck could even be a blown psu and make sure it'll mount in there, the rest of the wires off of it will all be the same. if you get a good psu like a corsair then you can run a better gpu and carry the gpu/psu on to your new build
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January 19, 2011 6:40:56 PM

Most games these days use 2 cores max, so a higher clocked dual core would benefit you more than a lower clocked quad.
That said why don't you get a E8400 65w or similar if you can find it cheap and that way you can have both 5770 and a faster cpu.

This will give you a little more life into your system for at least a year.
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January 19, 2011 6:46:34 PM

Well ACCOLITE, there is the problem, my MoBo only recognizes 65nm CPUs.
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January 19, 2011 6:55:19 PM

What about the E6850 3.0 Ghz 65w?
I see ebay has some.
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January 19, 2011 7:09:27 PM

Has a FSB of 1333, my MoBo has a FSB of 1066.
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January 19, 2011 7:31:33 PM

What is the motherboard model?
I can't find info for mobo just this medion low end pc but no specs?

Well it looks like the q6600 is your best choice if you use the 6850 on your board your getting a dual core 2.4 cpu so doing the quad is better.

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January 19, 2011 8:04:46 PM

If I were you I would just upgrade to a gt240 128bit ddr5, this will get you by far better than 7650gs.

If you get the 5770 your cpu will bottleneck it, and if you get a q6600 you will also have to buy a PSU, so in the end you will be wasting more money than what you stated earlier.
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a c 413 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 11:33:37 PM

Intel520 said:
Can my PSU handle a Intel Core2Quad Q6600 (in combination with the HD5750)? And if so, will I benefit from it?



Not recommended.

Either stick with your current duo core CPU and the HD 5750.

OR

Go with the Q6600 and the HD 5670.


Obviously, the 1st choice is the better choice.
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