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January 18, 2011 10:34:28 AM

For an LG 19" 1440 x 900:

Sapphire Radeon HD5770 1GB DDR5 VAPOR-X OC Edition Lite
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Inno3D GTS450 1GB DDR5

Radeon's core is OC'd from 850 to 860. Vapor-X supposedly keeps it extremely cool. Consumes less power than the GTS450. Costs 22$ more than the GTS450 (best deal possible where i live).

GTS has PhysX and CUDA (i'm mildly interested in CUDA, but am not sure if it's actually better than AMD's FireStream).

I'm not interested in folding. Mostly interested in gaming, but video editing/transcoding is also crucial.
I've read that Nvidia cards tend to scale better, and from what i know, they also provide better driver updates. I am personally more inclined to get an Nvidia card, unless the 5770 offers a clear performance boost when it comes to high gaming settings with decent AA.

Cruised this site, and the web, and the results were inconclusive. I'm still pretty much conflicted. Which should i get??

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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 3:10:05 PM

5770 is a little more expensive and a little faster, 450 cheaper and a little slower.
Eider one is great. I have the 5770 and i am satisfied with what it can do.
And i have my vapor-x overclocked to 900mhz core and 1300 memory and i get low temps when gaming.
I reached 960Mhz on core and 1350 on memory but it depends on the card, not everyone can make it that far.
I get 5-10fps plus from that overclocking and never had driver problem, you just need to see witch release works better for you.

With the gts450 besides the cuda and phys-X you can reach the speed of the 5770 stock with an overclock. Phys-X is used in many games but only a very small number of those use video card phys-X, most use CPU phys-X(example Mass Effect 2).
Cuda..i do not know games that use it.

I run at 1080p Mass effect 2 with everything set to max and get above 50 fps in worst cases(very rare) but usually above 55 and up.

And the best part of vapor-x is that i can't hear the fan from the card. I will never buy a stock cooler video card if i can afford it. The one that i had before had a stock cooler and sometimes it got a little loud.

If you decide to go with the gts450 try to buy one that has an aftermarket cooler on it and has good reviews(google it).

My point of view in this case is based on the knowledge that i have on my card. What i know of the gts450 is only from the forums.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 3:29:37 PM

In a straight gaming battle taking price etc out of the question I would favour the 450 every time, one of the ones with an aftermarket cooler and possibly factory overclocked.

With what you have told us of your needs and the pricing being where it is, also considering the 450 being an Inno card I would definatly recomend you go with the 5770. To be honest my knowledge of what nvidia actually offer as far as video editing/transcoding is concerned is next to nothing. I do know that the 5770 has dedicated hardware for doing this.

Mactronix :) 
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January 18, 2011 4:10:26 PM

mactronix said:
In a straight gaming battle taking price etc out of the question I would favour the 450 every time, one of the ones with an aftermarket cooler and possibly factory overclocked.

Overclocking will void my retailer's warranty, so i don't intend to oc a gts 450. I'm almost 100% certain that the Inno3D in question is not factory oc'd. Also, i don't intend to change/add a custom cooler. In this case, would it be safe to say i should favor the 5770?
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January 18, 2011 4:15:38 PM

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where are you located because there are better options of the GTS450 than Inno..

I prefer to buy it locally for after sale/warranty considerations (although prices are between 150% to 200% more here).
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a c 271 U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 4:23:39 PM

Makaveli84 said:
Overclocking will void my retailer's warranty, so i don't intend to oc a gts 450. I'm almost 100% certain that the Inno3D in question is not factory oc'd. Also, i don't intend to change/add a custom cooler. In this case, would it be safe to say i should favor the 5770?

There is no way your retailer would be able to tell that you have OC'd the card, I'm not saying that you should OC just that there is no way of telling whether you have or not.
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 4:23:51 PM

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Yea, go with the 5770...

Jk, I personally think you should go with the 5770, I have the Vapor-X model and it works great. Although I would love to try out Nvidia's new demo's.
The vapor-x models normally overclock well, but I heard the later models changed from the earlier ones. I don't know if this a big change but I overclocked mine to 925/1300 and got stable temps. The noise can get loud, but you won't notice it unless you go above 75%.
Of course I lowered my GPU to 900/1300 seeing as the increase of fps was little.
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January 18, 2011 4:36:05 PM

ionut19 said:
And the best part of vapor-x is that i can't hear the fan from the card. I will never buy a stock cooler video card if i can afford it. The one that i had before had a stock cooler and sometimes it got a little loud.

Does the Vapor-X require any future handling/management? Would i have to periodically add/change any liquids or anything like that?
Sorry for the seemingly silly question, but i've never had anything but a regular stock heatsink/fan video cards.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 4:40:01 PM

Makaveli84 said:
Does the Vapor-X require any future handling/management? Would i have to periodically add/change any liquids or anything like that?
Sorry for the seemingly silly question, but i've never had anything but a regular stock heatsink/fan video cards.

I do believe they are sealed units, zero maintenance apart from the fans which are as susceptible as any other fans are to wearing out.
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 4:46:14 PM

some card companies (read evga) specify overclocking will not void your warrenty, i believe asus shares the same stance btu can't find a link to confirm

http://www.evga.com/support/knowledgebase/

"Question / Issue

Does overclocking void my warranty?

Answer / Solution

Overclocking our products does not void the warranty as long as there is no physical damage to the product or missing components. However EVGA Support will not be able to assist you in overclocking the product.

We have a forum thread that you may post in where other EVGA.com community members would be able to give you advise on how to overclock.
Please visit: http://www.evga.com/forums/tt.aspx?forumid=37

Please remember, other product warranties maybe voided by overclocking other products in the computer, such as your processor."

so basically dont' go overboard on an evga and as logn as no physical dmg evident you're fine
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January 18, 2011 4:51:22 PM

Mousemonkey said:
There is no way your retailer would be able to tell that you have OC'd the card

Thx for the info.. That's good to know!
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a c 271 U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 4:59:14 PM

Now now, play nice you two.
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 5:50:55 PM

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no. damn, nice...
I enjoy someone spell checking and arranging my sentences so it can be understood properly.
I almost feel like a connection between us two.

I mean it's obvious that dalta centauri is a 'welcomed user to this discussion' and gives a worthy opinion for whatever reason.
Since that's the case; he needs to be himself and be happy with his AM3 motherboard from MSi that supports both crossfire and over 32gb of DDR3 memory for a low price.
I also feel the need to tell him he doesn't need 12GB of RAM to watch hi-def porn (I have to admit though, I wish I had all that ram just for this occasion..)
Although I generally like Nvidia, I will not go and state an opinion that may seem overly fanboyish...........
OK, I feel better now :D 


Thankyou, I also feel a connection between us that sparks with a brotherly fashion. I honour your opinion, and I like my motherboard. I would like to upgrade my CPU though, feels like it's become overly outdated even when I bought it. I agree that Nvidia does make some good cards, although I liked that you also thought that my opinion was justified. If you ever need help correcting any sentences that may have been choked along, I will be happy to do so for you.
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January 18, 2011 6:25:13 PM

http://www.frozentek.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewt...

Sapphire HD5770 Vapor-x OC:
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System Requirements: 450 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended


2 PCI-E power connectors? My PSU only has 1.. I reckon that can be fixed with some kind of adapter probably, but that implies it uses more power than my PSU can handle.. :??: 
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 6:34:20 PM

It only needs 1x6pin.
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 6:35:26 PM

what psu do you have? make/model
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January 18, 2011 6:37:48 PM

Well you should check if your PSU is over 450W and if it's a Brand name (Corsair, Antec, OCZ etc.).
Because if it is a no name PSU it might damage your system.

If it's a quality unit you can use an Adapter, which should come with the card.

To check your PSU open the case and see what's on the PSU label.

The Wattage ( for instance 450W )

And the 12V+ Rail (your PSU may have multiple 12V+ (12V1, 12V2 etc.) rails which you combine to get the total 12V+ Amperage)
(This is measured in Amps and should be something like 40A (example).

Then post these here.

PS Guys can't you sort these problems with PM's.
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 7:36:10 PM

@ dalta centauri and malmental

We're getting complaints. Take it outside.
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a b U Graphics card
January 18, 2011 7:38:33 PM

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January 19, 2011 12:07:37 AM

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a c 172 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 12:27:19 AM

for starters, dont worry about any card that has a factory OC of only 10mhz, that will do next to nothing. better off just getting a cheaper reference model. the 5770 is quite a bit faster than the gts450 without being overclocked. howver there are factory overclocked gts450's that perform similarly to a 5770 but cost more so its pointless. a stock gts450 is comparable to a 5750. As for physx with a gts450, it is not really powerful enough on its own to run physx on it with recent games, so the physx thing as i see it is a pointless feature on this card. However if you decide to upgrade in the future, you could use it as a dedicated physx card, next to the new card you buy, but by then i expect physx to be long gone and devs to use an open physics standard. So in conclusion to my rant, for a single card you should get a stock 5770 as it will be faster than any gts450 you can get for the same price. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gts-450-gf1...
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a c 130 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 6:03:25 AM

Just get the 5770 its easily the best solution for your needs.

Mactronix :) 
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a b U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 12:30:50 PM

Makaveli84 said:
Does the Vapor-X require any future handling/management? Would i have to periodically add/change any liquids or anything like that?
Sorry for the seemingly silly question, but i've never had anything but a regular stock heatsink/fan video cards.


As mouemonkey said there is no maintenance needed apart from cleaning the fan and radiator fins of dust from time to time.
If you compare that ino3d 450 with the vapor-x then vapor-x would be the best choice.

I do not own the model with the black PCB witch was first but the second model with the blue PCB witch does not have voltage control but still could overclock to 960Mhz core with no artifacts.

The 5770 need only 1 PCI-E power connector.

And yes, as someone else said above if the fan turns above 70=75% speed you start hearing it. In the summer i manually set mine to 70-75% when gaming and the sound it is lower then my CPU cooler witch is not that loud(it's not the stock cooler).

It's your choice in the end on what you prefer.
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January 19, 2011 8:21:34 PM

Thanks to everyone who contributed in this thread. I will go with the 5770. Only thing left to do is select a best answer (so many good ones :D )!!
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January 19, 2011 8:26:20 PM

Best answer selected by Makaveli84.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
January 19, 2011 8:26:50 PM

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