My laptop died a few weeks ago and I have decided to swith back to a desktop PC. This is due to the fact that I will be doing more and more 3D modelling in the future and will need a capable system. From what I understand I have several options here in terms of what I build and I have really no idea which path to take.
Aims: Animation, 3D modeling, Rendering, Architectural Models, Video encoding, Small home network.
Software: 3ds Max, Maya, Mentalray, Splutterfish Brazil, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe After Effects, Possibly Mudbox & ZBrush too..
O/S: Don't care that much, prefer 64bit, if only to stay somewhere close to the Jones'...
Budget: Depends what I buy. My budget right now is £1,000. Hopefully in a year or so I'll upgrade to the 2011 socket or perhaps the 1055 - So should I got all out and buty a Sandy Bridge now in the hope that future upgrades will be compatable, or look to the old models and hope the price drops giving me bang for buck, or do I just get a juicy old tart from yesteryear to cuddle up to for the moment, then ditch it in 6-12 months when I can afford something worth ringing home about? I could at a pinch go all out and overspend on an Opteron setup if it was best suited to me but I'm a bit worried about spending money know before I am back in the know, only to find I should have saved up for some i7's at the end of the year and be stuck with the mistake I made...
Having not used much 3D software in the past (and having a PIII at the time) I'm tempted to get sucked in by the hype and blow my load on some benchmark breaking bad boy system. The hype tends to swing towards the gaming side more though, with pedigree 3D workstations focusing more on the volume of processors available rather than flat out (over)clockspeed. If I were to jump on the bandwagon I'd be looking at an Xeon or Opteron based system with some sort of network storage and a render farm.
1. What has me stumped is the cores vs threads vs multiple processors. Do they all amount to the same thing? Assuming (for the sake of simplicity) you have processor that has the ability to work as a single or dual processor, and you can plug n play cores into the chip - For what I want to do would I be best suited to say an octa core with 8 threads, an octa core with 16 threads or dual processor quad cores and either 4 or 8 threads each?
2. From what I understand Crossfire & SLi are for gaming and useless on 3D applications but I will still want to spend as much as possible on graphics cards. The emphises will be on CPU rather than GPU as the software has not caught up with the hardware yet so GPU rendering hasn't really arrived yet...
3. I've been told that for all the benchmarking, GPU's, Offline renderers, Golftowns, Sandy Bridges and Overclockers, anything above a dual core will run 3ds Max ok, I should be able to spend under £1000 on a workstation and just drag in some old P4 or dual core to dedicate ro rendering.
4. Is that then sound advice or am I leaving myself in the dust? From what I understand the 1366 socket is at the end of it's days, so we may see prices lower and even some better motherboards but no vast improvements on the range. 1155 socket is looking good after a poor start but will low core count and won't see any real improvement until it passes the baton on to the next in line, the 2011 - In effect it won't take off until it's outdated...
As you can see I'm not a computer Guru - I don't play games and I have been out of the loop for about 8yrs so I really need some help on this one. As mentioned there seem to be a number of different set-ups I could go for. Which one I should choose depends on the software I run. Sure, but there seems to be some debate about how the software uses the computer, so I'm hoping someone can fill me in. For all current versions of the software above, without worring about any GPU rendering, what am I looking for here?
They are outdated now I know but I do have a couple of bits I can salvage from my laptop if it would be useful at all:
- LCD screen - Don't know how difficult it is to adapt to desktop but I have all the chips laying about if they help...
- ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 Graphics Card
- Small wireless card, dunno what model yet..
- 2x 2GB DDR2 Ram
- Intel T9300 Processor (Socket P)
None of it is hugely valuable but still, waste not/want not...
Anything else can be taken out, card reader dvd, ect I just dont know if I can use it..
It's a Toshiba Satellite A300/600 (Model: PSAG4A-02600M)
Many thanks for your time guys, I've got a lot of information from these forums already...
Aims: Animation, 3D modeling, Rendering, Architectural Models, Video encoding, Small home network.
Software: 3ds Max, Maya, Mentalray, Splutterfish Brazil, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe After Effects, Possibly Mudbox & ZBrush too..
O/S: Don't care that much, prefer 64bit, if only to stay somewhere close to the Jones'...
Budget: Depends what I buy. My budget right now is £1,000. Hopefully in a year or so I'll upgrade to the 2011 socket or perhaps the 1055 - So should I got all out and buty a Sandy Bridge now in the hope that future upgrades will be compatable, or look to the old models and hope the price drops giving me bang for buck, or do I just get a juicy old tart from yesteryear to cuddle up to for the moment, then ditch it in 6-12 months when I can afford something worth ringing home about? I could at a pinch go all out and overspend on an Opteron setup if it was best suited to me but I'm a bit worried about spending money know before I am back in the know, only to find I should have saved up for some i7's at the end of the year and be stuck with the mistake I made...
Having not used much 3D software in the past (and having a PIII at the time) I'm tempted to get sucked in by the hype and blow my load on some benchmark breaking bad boy system. The hype tends to swing towards the gaming side more though, with pedigree 3D workstations focusing more on the volume of processors available rather than flat out (over)clockspeed. If I were to jump on the bandwagon I'd be looking at an Xeon or Opteron based system with some sort of network storage and a render farm.
1. What has me stumped is the cores vs threads vs multiple processors. Do they all amount to the same thing? Assuming (for the sake of simplicity) you have processor that has the ability to work as a single or dual processor, and you can plug n play cores into the chip - For what I want to do would I be best suited to say an octa core with 8 threads, an octa core with 16 threads or dual processor quad cores and either 4 or 8 threads each?
2. From what I understand Crossfire & SLi are for gaming and useless on 3D applications but I will still want to spend as much as possible on graphics cards. The emphises will be on CPU rather than GPU as the software has not caught up with the hardware yet so GPU rendering hasn't really arrived yet...
3. I've been told that for all the benchmarking, GPU's, Offline renderers, Golftowns, Sandy Bridges and Overclockers, anything above a dual core will run 3ds Max ok, I should be able to spend under £1000 on a workstation and just drag in some old P4 or dual core to dedicate ro rendering.
4. Is that then sound advice or am I leaving myself in the dust? From what I understand the 1366 socket is at the end of it's days, so we may see prices lower and even some better motherboards but no vast improvements on the range. 1155 socket is looking good after a poor start but will low core count and won't see any real improvement until it passes the baton on to the next in line, the 2011 - In effect it won't take off until it's outdated...
As you can see I'm not a computer Guru - I don't play games and I have been out of the loop for about 8yrs so I really need some help on this one. As mentioned there seem to be a number of different set-ups I could go for. Which one I should choose depends on the software I run. Sure, but there seems to be some debate about how the software uses the computer, so I'm hoping someone can fill me in. For all current versions of the software above, without worring about any GPU rendering, what am I looking for here?
They are outdated now I know but I do have a couple of bits I can salvage from my laptop if it would be useful at all:
- LCD screen - Don't know how difficult it is to adapt to desktop but I have all the chips laying about if they help...
- ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 Graphics Card
- Small wireless card, dunno what model yet..
- 2x 2GB DDR2 Ram
- Intel T9300 Processor (Socket P)
None of it is hugely valuable but still, waste not/want not...
Anything else can be taken out, card reader dvd, ect I just dont know if I can use it..
It's a Toshiba Satellite A300/600 (Model: PSAG4A-02600M)
Many thanks for your time guys, I've got a lot of information from these forums already...