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June 24, 2011 9:36:51 PM

Hey Everyone,

This is the problem that I'm having.

I've got a Phenom 2 X4 955 that I OC'd just under a year ago to 3.7Ghz.
In the last month up till now, sometimes my pc will completly freeze, the speakers will make a electric static noise and my pc will restart.
It will always boot back up fine and I can get back into whatever i was doing without any issue.
I thought that the CPU might not be stable anymore, so I downloaded prime95 and pretty much as soon as i started the "blend" test my pc rebooted, but without the electric noise and crash.
This prompted me bring pull back on my overclock, but now whenever I reboot my PC, I cannot even see the post screen, and if i just blind tap f8 or f10 (whichever it is)
the monitor never turns on. (it says its in power save mode)

Any suggestions?
Heres my full build:

3.70 gigahertz AMD Phenom II X4 955
MSI NF980-G65 (MS-7612) 1.0
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 (2x)
8GB DDR3 1600 Ripjaws


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June 25, 2011 1:24:50 AM

Try with one stick of RAM at a time, maybe one has gone bad.
June 25, 2011 1:52:39 AM

Humm... ok, thanks for the tip.. ill give it a try now and let you know.
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June 25, 2011 2:06:50 AM

Just finished... The memory all behaves individually as the do together.
Any other ideas? The more I think about it, the more I think its the mobo, not the cpu...
I cant get to the BIOS and im not sure how much the CPU influences that.
a b à CPUs
June 25, 2011 12:40:56 PM

Then it might be one of your video cards. Try the same with one at a time. What's the PSU?
June 25, 2011 6:18:08 PM

My PSU is a XION 1100 Watt.
I took out the video cards one at a time and each worked indivisually with my able to see the post, but now they work together as well..
I tried to do some more stress testing with Prime95 but it still crapped out after only a few minutes... I lowered the multiplier so Im now at 3.5Ghz... I'm a little dissapointed.
I know that 2 bins isn't anything major though.
I'm going to try to reproduce the error I was having before with the PC crash and the weird noise and I'll let you know if nothing happens again today.
June 25, 2011 10:17:31 PM

PC Wizard 2010 Version 1.961
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Owner: Microsoft
Organisation: Microsoft
User: Joshua
Computer Name: JOSHUA-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate Professional Media Center 6.01.7601 Service Pack 1
Report Date: Saturday 25 June 2011at 18:16

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<<< Voltage, Temperature and Fans >>>
> Hardware Monitoring : Fintek F71889FG
> +3.3V Voltage : 3.34 V
> Processor Voltage : 1.38 V
> +5V Voltage : 4.71 V
> +12V Voltage : 12.06 V
> VIN4 : 1.50 V
> VIN5 : 1.55 V
> VIN6 : 1.28 V
> VSB3V : 3.34 V
> VBAT : 3.18 V
> TMPIN0 : 50 °C
> TMPIN1 : 91 °C
> TMPIN2 : 42 °C
> Processor AMD Phenom II X4 : Sensor DTS
> Core 1 : 53.5 °C
> Core 2 : 53.5 °C
> Core 3 : 53.5 °C
> Core 4 : 53.5 °C
> Energy Power : 113.40 W
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 : nVidia Driver + Analog Devices ADT7473 +
> Temperature : 49 °C
> Temperature (Ambient) : 44 °C
> Temperature (GPU) : 49 °C
> Temperature (Card) : 44 °C
> Fan : 86%
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 : nVidia Driver + Analog Devices ADT7473 +
> Temperature : 55 °C
> Temperature (Ambient) : 48 °C
> Temperature (GPU) : 55 °C
> Temperature (Card) : 48 °C
> Fan : 86%
> Hard Disk Monitoring : S.M.A.R.T
> Hard Disk Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 : 36 °C
> Hard Disk ST31000528AS : 36 °C

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***** End of report *****





Is this everything you need?
a b à CPUs
June 25, 2011 10:39:08 PM

The CPU temp is high, that's on idle, right? Drop the voltage in BIOS to 1.25. You may need to reapply the thermal paste.
June 25, 2011 10:41:52 PM

I had just quit playing a game... so not sure.
Ok, Ill drop the voltage, and Im pretty sure I have some Arctic Silver somewhere..


just re-checked the utility... cpu temps dropped to 51.4c but its still a bit high... (this is before voltage drop)
June 25, 2011 10:51:55 PM

PC Wizard 2010 Version 1.961
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Owner: Microsoft
Organisation: Microsoft
User: Joshua
Computer Name: JOSHUA-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate Professional Media Center 6.01.7601 Service Pack 1
Report Date: Saturday 25 June 2011at 18:51

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<<< Voltage, Temperature and Fans >>>
> Hardware Monitoring : Fintek F71889FG
> +3.3V Voltage : 3.36 V
> Processor Voltage : 1.27 V
> +5V Voltage : 4.71 V
> +12V Voltage : 12.06 V
> VIN4 : 1.50 V
> VIN5 : 1.04 V
> VIN6 : 0.69 V
> VSB3V : 3.34 V
> VBAT : 3.18 V
> TMPIN0 : 43 °C
> TMPIN1 : 90 °C
> TMPIN2 : 40 °C
> Processor AMD Phenom II X4 : Sensor DTS
> Core 1 : 45 °C
> Core 2 : 45 °C
> Core 3 : 45 °C
> Core 4 : 45 °C
> Energy Power : 105.00 W
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 : nVidia Driver + Analog Devices ADT7473 +
> Temperature : 47 °C
> Temperature (Ambient) : 42 °C
> Temperature (GPU) : 47 °C
> Temperature (Card) : 42 °C
> Fan : 86%
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 : nVidia Driver + Analog Devices ADT7473 +
> Temperature : 56 °C
> Temperature (Ambient) : 48 °C
> Temperature (GPU) : 56 °C
> Temperature (Card) : 48 °C
> Fan : 86%
> Hard Disk Monitoring : S.M.A.R.T
> Hard Disk Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 : 35 °C
> Hard Disk ST31000528AS : 35 °C

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***** End of report *****


new temps... i'm impressed.
June 25, 2011 10:54:49 PM

Whats the ideal range for my phenom? I obviously didn't put any new paste on yet, but if you think it will still make a difference, I totally will
June 26, 2011 12:15:50 AM

Damn, well since I last posted, ive experienced 3 system crashes while playing DNF.
I don't know why... Its really upsetting me.
One of the times it went to a BSOD and the message said something about a page file....
June 28, 2011 1:18:50 AM

Well, i applied new arctic7 and temps dropped to 43.5 idle..
I have a zalman 9500a...
a b à CPUs
June 28, 2011 1:34:21 AM

Page fault in non paged area? Might be software related. You can rule out a software problem only if you reinstall the OS.
June 28, 2011 1:39:45 AM

I did that as well... not getting bsod but its still crashing
June 29, 2011 1:20:04 AM

Im starting to suspect it may be my PSU...
the exact model number is XON-1100P14HE
on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-190-...

When I bought it, there was no bad reviews, but now people are saying it may not provide enough power to the graphics cards when in sli with two or more cards...

I don't know what to think.
June 29, 2011 1:45:59 AM

Latest Sensor reading:


--------[ AIDA64 Extreme Edition ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version AIDA64 v1.80.1450
Benchmark Module 2.7.380-x64
Homepage http://www.aida64.com/
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer JOSHUA-PC
Generator Joshua
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 6.1.7601 (Win7 RTM)
Date 2011-06-28
Time 21:44


--------[ Sensor ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sensor Properties:
Sensor Type Fintek F71889 (ISA A00h)
GPU Sensor Type Analog Devices ADT7473 (NV-I2C 2Eh)
Motherboard Name MSI MS-7612

Temperatures:
Motherboard 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU 41 °C (106 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 43 °C (109 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 43 °C (109 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 43 °C (109 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 43 °C (109 °F)
MCP 66 °C (151 °F)
GPU1: GPU 53 °C (127 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU2: GPU 45 °C (113 °F)
GPU2: GPU Memory 37 °C (99 °F)
GPU2: GPU Ambient 39 °C (102 °F)
Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 32 °C (90 °F)
ST31000528AS 32 °C (90 °F)

Cooling Fans:
CPU 2581 RPM
GPU1 2855 RPM (86%)
GPU2 2764 RPM (86%)

Voltage Values:
CPU Core 1.272 V
+3.3 V 3.344 V
+5 V 5.107 V
+12 V 12.056 V
+3.3 V Standby 3.344 V
VBAT Battery 3.168 V
GPU1: GPU Core 1.170 V
GPU1: GPU Vcc 3.343 V
GPU2: GPU Core 1.050 V
GPU2: GPU Vcc 3.347 V


a b à CPUs
June 29, 2011 10:28:23 AM

That PSU should be fine. Is one of your video cards overclocked, why there's a different voltage?
June 29, 2011 4:26:40 PM

Humm.. I never noticed that...

I use MSI's Afterburner software.

Before I did this latest test, I reset the OC back to stock.... maybe it didnt hit both cards? I'll have to screw around with that and see whats up.

I think I can almost eliminate the CPU being a problem with overheating, because with 80% load playing games and watching netflix on my 2nd screen i never broke 50c
June 29, 2011 9:26:50 PM

its really weird... the second gtx275 seems to have the voltage fluctuate between 1.050v and 1.1.70v

Could this be the cause of this?
June 29, 2011 11:43:33 PM

How fast is your RAM running? If it's 1600 or so, turn it down to 1333 and see if the problem goes away.
June 29, 2011 11:49:22 PM

Humm, yeah, its 1600. Ill put it back to 1333.
June 29, 2011 11:54:44 PM

Tried Prime95... BSOD seconds after running

*edit

are there any testing applications that could possibly tell me what might be up?
I don't care if i have to pay some cash.
June 29, 2011 11:59:32 PM

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Version AIDA64 v1.80.1450
Benchmark Module 2.7.380-x64
Homepage http://www.aida64.com/
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer JOSHUA-PC
Generator Joshua
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 6.1.7601 (Win7 RTM)
Date 2011-06-29
Time 19:58


--------[ Sensor ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sensor Properties:
Sensor Type Fintek F71889 (ISA A00h)
GPU Sensor Type Analog Devices ADT7473 (NV-I2C 2Eh)
Motherboard Name MSI MS-7612

Temperatures:
Motherboard 36 °C (97 °F)
CPU 39 °C (102 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 42 °C (108 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 42 °C (108 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 42 °C (108 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 42 °C (108 °F)
MCP 64 °C (147 °F)
GPU1: GPU 52 °C (126 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 44 °C (111 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 44 °C (111 °F)
GPU2: GPU 44 °C (111 °F)
GPU2: GPU Memory 36 °C (97 °F)
GPU2: GPU Ambient 38 °C (100 °F)
Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 32 °C (90 °F)
ST31000528AS 32 °C (90 °F)

Cooling Fans:
CPU 2581 RPM
GPU1 2849 RPM (86%)
GPU2 2763 RPM (86%)

Voltage Values:
CPU Core 1.280 V
+3.3 V 3.344 V
+5 V 5.107 V
+12 V 12.056 V
+3.3 V Standby 3.344 V
VBAT Battery 3.168 V
GPU1: GPU Core 1.170 V
GPU1: GPU Vcc 3.343 V
GPU2: GPU Core 1.050 V
GPU2: GPU Vcc 3.347 V
Debug Info F 0245 0FFF 0FFF
Debug Info T 39 95 36
Debug Info V D1 A0 70 89 5F 3F 24 D1 C6
Debug Info I 03 04 10 19 34 (0723)


I see that the MCP is running much hotter than anything else in my pc... MCP is what controls the SLI right? Or something like that... Could that be my issue?
a b à CPUs
June 30, 2011 12:00:23 AM

Try some other drivers for the video cards. If still nothing, uninstall the afterburner.
June 30, 2011 12:23:50 AM

impulse89 said:
Tried Prime95... BSOD seconds after running


It sounds like you may be right about your OC not being stable anymore.

Since Prime crashes almost immediately, you could slowly back off your OC, checking with Prime at each step. Keep an eye on temps while you do this.

It's a good idea to download memtest86+ (you install it on a floppy or jump drive) and let it run overnight. This will pretty much rule out a bad stick of RAM.

Can you think of anything you changed right before you started having errors? A new game or hardware or anything?
June 30, 2011 12:30:20 AM

As you can see, I also have AIDA64 Extreme Edition, and its stress tests do not force reboots or bsod's and it makes me run at 100%... im not sure whats up with that.

I haven't changed any hardware in a few months... software wise... a new game yeah, but i did a whole wipe and reboot to still have the same problems.


*edit

Just got memtest86+ so ill see how that goes and let you know.
If there is a fault, will i know in the morning?
June 30, 2011 12:49:05 AM



Snapshot of my stability test... going on 20 minutes now with AIDA64.
Still dies with prime95 though
June 30, 2011 12:56:08 AM

impulse89 said:
Just got memtest86+ so ill see how that goes and let you know.
If there is a fault, will i know in the morning?


Yeah. Overnight it will probably run several times (it restarts the test when it finishes and keeps track of all passes and errors). If your RAM clears 4 or 5 times, it's pretty much good.
June 30, 2011 11:33:57 AM

4 successful passes. Definitly not memory.

I mentioned earlier about my PSU...
Should I put that thought out of my head?
June 30, 2011 3:32:43 PM

I don't think you can rule it out. :(  There is a way to test a PSU with a multimeter. Search online for a guide. Just be careful.

Do you have any stability issues if you run at stock speeds?
June 30, 2011 4:23:39 PM

I've got my Memory and GPU's at stock but when I get home, ill put my processor back to stock. I think normally the 955 is 3.2? Mine is at 3.5 right now, so its not too far out of spec and all I did was bump it 3 bins... the voltage is stock.

The thing that gets me is the AIDA software will run my processors at 100% for as long as I want, so the Prime95 must be pushing something else harder than what the AIDA is.

June 30, 2011 5:45:25 PM

Yeah, stock for the 955 is 3.2.

The Prime blend test must be more comprehensive. *shrug* I'm not familiar with AIDA.

June 30, 2011 8:27:03 PM

I dont think AIDA does anything with your GPU's (don't know if you can tell it to)
and it only seems to use a few gigs of ram, not all of it...

*Edit

AIDA looks VERY similar to PC Wizard 2010 but the thing i prefer it for over PC Wizard is that the Sensor Reading update in real time, where as I didnt see PC Wizards doing that...

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a b à CPUs
June 30, 2011 9:13:43 PM
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Uninstall the MSI afterburner. Reinstall the drivers. Turn off any monitoring program, cpu-z, whatever.
June 30, 2011 9:41:53 PM

uninstalled afterburner....
Prime is going on 5 minutes now and still stong... yay! Well, I like afterburner, but if its the cause of my ails.. im glad to be rid of it.
im going to try and let it hit 30 minutes then ill back it off.
June 30, 2011 10:14:28 PM

Well, it seems to be working fine!
I never would have thought afterburner was the culprit...
Ill post again if i have any more bsod's when gaming.
Thanks for your help!
June 30, 2011 10:14:37 PM

Best answer selected by impulse89.
June 30, 2011 10:34:29 PM

I tried re-overclocking my PC but Prime95 instantly dies at anything over stock rates...
Im really dissapointed...
Is my processor also dieing? 3.7 was a breeze for it when i bought it..
June 30, 2011 10:39:07 PM

Were you bumping your voltage to get to 3.7? You might just need a little voltage bump. Yeah, hardware doesn't last forever. Especially if it's overclocked. :( 
June 30, 2011 11:18:57 PM

Yeah, it was a no-go..

Would it be worth my while to invest in sandy bridge? It looks ever so tasty, or do you think my 275's would hold it back?
Thinking about either a 2500k or 2600k.
Or would that just make my problems larger

*Edit

LOL I didn't realize but I had Prime95 Running for over 2 hours (stock cpu,memory,gpus) but atleast it took it!
!