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What cooling system should I get for this build?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.644166

This is the build I am planning on getting, I want to get a cooling system for it. I have heard that the Thermaltake Frio is a good cooling system, however it is very big, what should I do?

Would the Thermaltake Frio fit?

Are there other cooling systems I should get?

Thanks!
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  1. Best answer
    This is pretty much the best cooler for the money
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065&Tpk=cooler%20master%20212
    really cant go wrong with a 212+
    also if you need more cooling that get two of these
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185059&cm_re=Scythe_Slipstream-_-35-185-059-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=grp0m9ly9gk6
    and use them on ths side

    really depends how hard you plan to OC your 2500k
    they run REALLY cool
    if your not overclocking seriously the stock Intel will work fine
    but if you want to be safe and might want to OC
    then the 212+ plus 2 Scythe 120mm wouild
    keep your rig pretty chilly :)
  2. also 212+ is about 120 mm tall ( 5in)

    your case is 7.48 inches side to side (width)
    or about 190mm
    so you have about a 70mm or 2.5 inch clearance

    I believe I got that right :)
    newegg list dimensions as 120mmx120mmx25m

    Alot of Toms members agree on 212+ and Scythe
    pretty popular here
  3. IGNORE MY DIMENSIONS
    I didnt get it right :(
    sorry tired
    check out this thread on the 212+
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/258023-29-installing-cooler-master-hyper
    also check out this spec sheet from CM
    http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2731

    from my reading it looks like your alright if your ram slots arent too close
    or your ram is low profile (not over 37mm)

    I looked at the mobo which is an ATX
    and it looks to have good clearance around ram
    you are getting Gskill Ripjaws which is a tall ram
    so it would be nice to hear from somebody with experience with that mobo
  4. I was thinking about corsairs, but since it comes with ripjaws i wanted to keep them all the same :P. How big are corsairs? I can't find their size.
  5. Just avoid ram with the big "teeth" (cooling fins)
    from reading reviews the big cooling fins dont really do anything for cooling
    in real world applications

    i would avoid the Corsiar Vengeance for example
    the XMS3 are good

    looking at your moboon your link
    and looking at the CM 212+
    you look pretty good
    since it is a ATX size board
    looking again at this link
    http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2731
    if you look at picture of 212+ on mobo (bottom picture-third from left)
    the fan would drawing off your ram and blowing towards back of case

    okay was just searching toms
    looks like the 212+ is good with ATX cases and mobos
    just not mATX cases and mATX boards with tall ram like the Ripjaws

    to be safe keep the Ripjaws in the farther away slots


    2 x 2gb ripjaws
    2 x 2gb standard low profile ram

    I dig some digging and the closest in CL and voltage were
    these Kingstons are nicefor the price
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104254&cm_re=ddr3_1600-_-20-104-254-_-Product
    they are CL9 and your Ripjaws in combo are CL8
    so your ram will drop to the lower timing of the Kingstons
    but you wont ever notice the difference
    unless your are going for world record memory benchmarks LOL


    I want to be honest and tell I havent built a P67 board
    so I hope some of the Sandy Bridge owners see this thread
  6. Wow! Thanks for all this help! So if I wanted to get 2x 4gig ram of ripjaw, that would not be a good idea? Also, if the cooling system was taken out, would 4 ripjaws work? Thank you so much!
  7. It is hard to fit the bigger coolers with ripjaws

    BUT from reading that is on mATX boards
    and yours is a ATX so you should have the space

    you could look into other coolers
    some of the Zalmans are nice
    do remember that 2500k run cool even on stock Intel heatsink fan
    this one would clear and gets good reviews
    plus its it isnt pricey
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118090&cm_re=zalman_cooler-_-35-118-090-_-Product
  8. this was feedback on Newegg
    Tradesman
    6/1/2011 9:19:27 PM
    Tech Level: 5/5
    Ownership: 2/5
    Verified Owner
    Rating: 5/5Eggcellent
    Pros: Just arrived yesterday, and already good to go. Used w/ a P67 mobo and 2500K, installed last night and in early testing surprised me, used AS 5 instead of the included compound and ran it up to 4.8 at for the moment, a nice cool 41 Celsius, will be in the, prob low 30's once the AS% cures. Will be running about 4.4 for the next few days

    Cons: As mentioned by others, install can take a few minutes more than what you might expect, loosen the screws then get the left (from the mobo back plate on) then firmly attach the right and tighten down. No real big deal

    Other Thoughts: For 1155 and 1366 is nice, doesn't interfere or overhang the DIMM sockets - now we'll see if they'll pay the promised rebate....LOL, yeah, sure they will.........
  9. I'm planning on overclocking to 4-4.5 ghz, would the ZALMAN cooler work? Would it work with 4 ripjaws? And would 4 ripjaws work if there was no cooling system. BTW can I like give you points or something like that? You have been a great help to me
  10. read this link
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265083-29-which-cooler


    On the bottom of posts there is a "Select Best Answer"
    yes I get points :)

    but lets make sure I REALLY am the best answer LOL

    if you read that post
    OCing 2500k is easy up to 4.5 or so even on stock cooling
    I think the Zalman would be safe bet to fit
    Also Zalman is an great company
    very respected

    in the newegg feedback I posted the poster had the 2500k up to 4.8 at 41 celcsius
    on the Zalman which is good
  11. So do you think I can fit 4 ripjaws into this with ZALMAN? 2x2g and 2x4g?
  12. should be fine with ripjaws
    it is a 92mm cooler instead of 120 like the 212+ or Frio

    this is from feeback on newegg link I posted
    Deltech
    5/27/2011 8:05:45 PM
    Tech Level: 4/5
    Ownership: 2/5
    Verified Owner
    Rating: 5/5Very Niiice !
    Pros: One pro that has not been mentioned is the excellent clearance of the memory slots allowing for the high heat sinks that some memory have. The cpu fan pulls air across the memory instead of blowing hot cpu air down onto the MB and out all sides onto the memory sticks like the stock coolers do. Idles at 35c and in game 2.8 Phenom 720 OC,ed to 3.2 goes to 45c. I also like the innovative design of the cooling fins ; )

    Cons: Only one I can think of is finding a replacement fan a couple of years down the road.

    Other Thoughts: Hold down for AMD works well and is less difficult to install than some coolers I have installed with the lever pull down clip.
  13. Wow! Thanks! Well I decided that this is what I will most likely get, could you tell me how it is?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125357
    Gigabyte Radeon HD 6870 1GB $199.99 ($20) mail in rebate card

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443
    G.Skill Ripjaws X series 2x2gb 240 pin DDR3 $49.99

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118090
    ZALMAN 92mm fan $29.99 ($10) mail in rebate

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?
    ItemList=Combo.644166

    i5-2500k
    MSI P67A-C43
    Antec Earthwatts EA-650 Green 650W
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 6.0Gb/s 3.5" internal hard drive
    Rosewill CHALLENGER Black gaming ATX Case
    G.Skill Ripjaws X series 2x2gb
    6 ft powercord BYTECC

    How does this look? If you could, could you look at the links just in case I misstyped something? Thanks!
  14. Good list
    I would change out the Gigabyte 6870 for this one from MSI
    awesome cooling system with this new propeller technology combined with
    Twin Frozr setup
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127560&cm_re=msi_hd_6870-_-14-127-560-_-Product

    that should be a nice build
    all good names
    It should be really fast
  15. I am a noob when it comes to overclocking, as I primarily use laptops. Will this build be nice for overclocking and keeping it nice and cool? I'm kinda nervous to overclock this computer, so I might wait a while first.
  16. really with the power of that computer there isnt a need to overclock
    I would leave it alone in the beginning and just enjoy it
    It will overclock nice so when you need the extra power it is there
    If you really want to learn overclocking then go ahead
    just google "guide to overclocking" and check out the overclocking forum
    here and also check out
    http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/
    just be careful
    avoid upping your volts in the beginning
    and make sure to use programs like CoreTemp and HWmonitor64
    to monitor temps
    I recommended the MSI hd 6870 Hawk because it is a good card to OC with
    from all reviews

    But like I said a 2500k is so fast that you really dont need to OC
    until it starts to feel slow to you
    which probably wont be for about 2-3 years at least LOL
  17. I just realized I don't have an optical drive... what would you say I should get?
  18. This is the one I am buying to replace mine
    Has Lightscribe for burning labels and also Double Layer discs
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335
  19. Don't get the 212+, this is a much better choice:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
  20. That is a nice choice browsingtheworld BUT
    with a 120mm cooler you have to worry about fitting tall ram
    like Gskill Ripjaws and Corsair Vengeance

    I linked this one earlier in post
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118090&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=drvmgfejx0s9

    remember he is getting a 2500k
    and they run cool
    you can OC one over 4.0 ghz with stock Intel HSF
    so the Zalman will be more than enough
    it is smaller than the 120mm coolers
    it is cheap
    it does a nice job of cooling (neighbor has one)
  21. I was checking my motherboard, and it says it supports up to 2133*(OC) the 1600 is also written as 1600*(OC) does that mean the ram that I have to overclock the ram to get it's full power? Should I just buy DDR3 1333 ram instead?
  22. NO, i would buy this motherboard its great for overclocking and it supports 1600mhz ram without OC : ASUS P8P67
  23. king smp said:
    That is a nice choice browsingtheworld BUT
    with a 120mm cooler you have to worry about fitting tall ram
    like Gskill Ripjaws and Corsair Vengeance

    I linked this one earlier in post
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118090&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=drvmgfejx0s9


    remember he is getting a 2500k
    and they run cool
    you can OC one over 4.0 ghz with stock Intel HSF
    so the Zalman will be more than enough
    it is smaller than the 120mm coolers
    it is cheap
    it does a nice job of cooling (neighbor has one)

    Who said he was going to use all 4 DIMMs?

    That cooler is horrible, at least recommend a good 92mm cooler.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233081&Tpk=xigmatek%20loki
  24. browsingtheworld said:
    Who said he was going to use all 4 DIMMs?

    That cooler is horrible, at least recommend a good 92mm cooler.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233081&Tpk=xigmatek%20loki



    first of all he said he was using all 4

    second i know somebody that has that cooler
    and it runs great
    it is a freaking Zalman
    Zalman doesnt make junk

    the cooler you recommended looks good

    but really you should think about how you post on Toms

    we dont need people being disrespectful here
  25. king smp said:
    first of all he said he was using all 4

    second i know somebody that has that cooler
    and it runs great
    it is a freaking Zalman
    Zalman doesnt make junk

    the cooler you recommended looks good

    but really you should think about how you post on Toms

    we dont need people being disrespectful here

    If you found my post somehow offensive :lol:

    If you look through the reviews you'll notice how many people think it's crap while LOKI has universally great reviews. It's also cheaper. Apparently you don't know as much about coolers as you think you do.

    Why is anyone encouraging OP to get 4 smaller sticks of RAM instead of 2 larger sticks when the cost is the same?

    I bet you're one of those people who thinks every Corsair PSU is amazing too.
  26. browsingtheworld said:
    Don't get the 212+, this is a much better choice:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082


    we decided not to use it because of the tall ram
    But Toms recommends the 212+
    Many members on Toms use it

    But you know better than all of them?
  27. king smp said:
    we decided not to use it because of the tall ram
    But Toms recommends the 212+
    Many members on Toms use it

    But you know better than all of them?

    If they think the 212+ is the best cooler for $30 then yes I do.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082&Tpk=xigmatek%20gaia
    This is much better. Not only is it quieter but it outperforms the 212+ even at max speed when the 212+ sounds like a hairdryer.

    http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2592&page=5

    :hello:
  28. andycan111 said:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.644166

    This is the build I am planning on getting, I want to get a cooling system for it. I have heard that the Thermaltake Frio is a good cooling system, however it is very big, what should I do?

    Would the Thermaltake Frio fit?

    Are there other cooling systems I should get?

    Thanks!



    This is why he would be using 4 dimms
    The build he is getting comes with two 2gbs

    Why dont you try reading the OPs posts before you comment

    Also my neighbor and another person on Toms has the Zalman
    and the Zalman runs good

    I know it is good from talking to real people who own one
    not some reviews I read
  29. browsingtheworld said:
    If they think the 212+ is the best cooler for $30 then yes I do.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082&Tpk=xigmatek%20gaia
    This is much better. Not only is it quieter but it outperforms the 212+ even at max speed when the 212+ sounds like a hairdryer.

    http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2592&page=5

    :hello:



    Oh that explains it
    You are a Xigmatek FANBOI
    Ok now I understand :non:
  30. king smp said:
    This is why he would be using 4 dimms
    The build he is getting comes with two 2gbs

    Why dont you try reading the OPs posts before you comment

    Also my neighbor and another person on Toms has the Zalman
    and the Zalman runs good


    I know it is good from talking to real people who own one
    not some reviews I read

    My mistake on the DIMMs, he can still get the 120mm coolers and move the fan to the other side.

    You and your neighbor are obviously the foremost experts on CPU coolers since you guys have tried all the other brands right?

    So those reviews that say Verified Owner are made by gremlins?
    Quote:

    Oh that explains it
    You are a Xigmatek FANBOI
    Ok now I understand :non:


    Scared by them facts right?
  31. why would you want to move the fan to other side?

    The right way to mount it would be firing the fan towards the back of the case

    Dont get me wrong
    The Xigmateks are good recommendations
    But you dont know how to behave

    You must be a kid
    How old are you?
    and how did you post over 300 times since 6/28?
    that is 100 posts a day as an average
    Must have alot of time on your hands
  32. king smp said:
    why would you want to move the fan to other side?

    The right way to mount it would be firing the fan towards the back of the case

    Dont get me wrong
    The Xigmateks are good recommendations
    But you dont know how to behave

    You must be a kid
    How old are you?
    and how did you post over 300 times since 6/28?
    that is 100 posts a day as an average
    Must have alot of time on your hands

    Most 120mm HDT coolers are push/pull designs so they can pull air from the other side and won't block any RAM DIMMs. Obviously it would be pulling air to the back instead of pushing air to the front...

    I don't really care how you feel about it, I'm just trying to give good advice which you seem incapable of doing. I like you try to use yourself and your neighbor as sources for your bad recommendations.

    Guard shack.
  33. "Most 120mm HDT coolers are push/pull designs so they can pull air from the other side and won't block any RAM DIMMs. Obviously it would be pulling air to the back instead of pushing air to the front..."

    which is less effective for moving air
    as the install guide showed (if you bothered to look at it)
    when only using one fan it should be on the DIMM side blowing to the back
    and really should have two fans for proper cooling
    but a 120mm fan coolers have problems especially on mATX boards
    and some ATX boards with tall ram like Ripjaws and Vengeance
    that is why I changed my advice on the highly recommended Hyper 212+
    which if you really knew what you were talking about you would know

    and funny if I give such bad recommendations and advice then
    why do I have 47 best answers in CPUs alone?
    also how come I make a nice living repairing/selling computers?

    Nobody can call a Zalman a "bad recommendation"
    If you knew anything
    then you would know they have a long and great reputation
    for cooling products

    Have you owned that Zalman cooler I recommended?
    Have you seen one in action?
    Also I checked with Malmental who is also a certified tech and a respected member
    of toms
    and he stated that is a decent cooler for the money

    Really your kind is not needed here
    go to the other forums where the fanbois hang out

    I stated that the Xigmatek you recommended looks like a good choice
    also
    instead of insulting you and calling everything besides Zigmatek "crap"

    You didnt even read the OPs post.....
  34. Quote from this thread
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/319841-33-radeon-5700-series-good-crises


    "browsingtheworld needs to be banned from the forums, he either posts wrong info, or useless info" - r3xxr

    your just making friends all over huh?
    impressing everybody with your knowledge?
  35. This is kinda off-topic, but since king you've been the most helpful, I have a question.
    On newegg it says that the ripjaws are 8-8-8-24 timings. With Cas latency 8

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3899435&SID=skim1402X558040X5ee8c2a2458b2b2b9beb358de76c5300

    However, on the g.skill website, it says Cas timings are 8-8-8-24-2N

    http://gskill.com/products.php?index=350

    What does Cas Timing and Cas Latency mean?

    Why are the two website displaying different timings?

    Thank you so much!
  36. Okay I had to learn this a long time ago
    I kinda of forgot alot (just needed to pass test LOL)
    really what it comes down to is the lower the CL
    the faster the ram
    if your going to get heavily into OCing you need to know
    and this best thing I can do is refer you to Wiki
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_timings
    really I cant explain it better than them

    they are the same timings just expressed differently
    the first number is cas latency
    (time to address a bank in nanoseconds? could be wrong)

    really just know that the lower the CL the better
    but dont get too crazy about it unless you plan to set overclocking records :)

    the faster the ram in mhz (frequency) than the higher the CL normally

    for examply the old DDR PC 2100 was CL 2
    while my ddr2-800 is at CL5 which is on the lower side for 800mhz ram
    but your ram at CL8 is actually pretty low for that speed

    there is really alot of detail to it
    but I looked at your ram in build
    it is 8-8-8-24 CL8
    now if you use a CL9 for the other dimms
    all the ram will run at the speed of slowest stick

    try to match up the timings
    but going from CL8 to CL9 for example
    really will never make any difference in real world scenarios

    unless you are going for benchmark records and Overclocking titles
    it doesnt make a difference
    if you do want to heavily OC then read that wiki link
    changing timings can be crucial in good overclocks
  37. So it's okay even though both of the websites have different things? What does the 2N mean? I searched it up but it was kind of confusing.
  38. I'm actually planning on not ordering the combo and just get everything separate, therefore I can just get 1 2x4g pack of ripjaws.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-445&SortField=0&SummaryType=1&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1#scrollFullInfo

    Should I do this? If I do this, do you have any reccomendations on what I could switch out if needed? Thanks!
  39. honestly I just know timings expressed in 4 digits
    x-x-x-xx

    I believe the 2N is the command rate
    but I would have to research that to be sure

    really the lower the timings the faster
    the CL is is the important number


    I can copy and paste this

    CAS latency

    CL

    The time between sending a column address to the memory and the beginning of the data in response. This is the time it takes to read the first bit of memory from a DRAM with the correct row already open.



    Row Address to Column Address Delay

    TRCD

    The number of clock cycles required between the opening of a row of memory and accessing columns within it. The time to read the first bit of memory from a DRAM without an active row is TRCD + CL.



    Row Precharge Time

    TRP

    The number of clock cycles required between the issuing of the precharge command and opening the next row. The time to read the first bit of memory from a DRAM with the wrong row open is TRP + TRCD + CL.



    Row Active Time

    TRAS

    The number of clock cycles required between a bank active command and issuing the precharge command. This is the time needed to internally refresh the row, and overlaps with TRCD. In SDRAM modules, it is simply TRCD + CL. Otherwise, approximately equal to TRCD + (2 * CL).

    but unless you are going for a bachelor in computer science
    you really only need to know that the lower the CL the better

    actually sometimes even though the ram is faster 1333 >1066
    if the CL of the slower speed (MHZ) is drasitically lower than the
    than the higher speed ram than that is actually a faster ram

    there is also what the cpu is sychronized in regards to ram
    standard is 1:1
    but there is also 2:3 (?) (could be wrong-been awhile)

    for example if you have a FSB of 1066 then 533mhz ram is optimal and actually faster than using 667mhz ram
    though going to 800mhz will make a difference

    since bus speed = 266x4 = 1066-remember that Intel quad pumps the FSB
    and 2 x 266 (remember this DDR memory-effectively doubles)

    now I am not the best at explaining this
    It is something I know but not well enough to teach

    I am glad you are interested
    I actually get lost happily in WIkipedia hopping from link to link in articles explaining
    this type of subjects
    But I am not an expert at this
    really WIki can teach you the basics in the computer sciences if you are willing to dig into it
    but to really understand takes years of schooling
    I just had basic High School computer classes

    you need one of the computer science college majors to explain it well
  40. andycan111 said:
    This is kinda off-topic, but since king you've been the most helpful, I have a question.
    On newegg it says that the ripjaws are 8-8-8-24 timings. With Cas latency 8

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231443&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3899435&SID=skim1402X558040X5ee8c2a2458b2b2b9beb358de76c5300

    However, on the g.skill website, it says Cas timings are 8-8-8-24-2N

    http://gskill.com/products.php?index=350

    What does Cas Timing and Cas Latency mean?

    Why are the two website displaying different timings?

    Thank you so much!



    same timings
    just remember CL8
  41. I like the build just the way it is
    good solid build with good parts

    as far as GPU
    I would go for this HD 6950
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150523&cm_re=hd_6950_1g-_-14-150-523-_-Product

    or this GTX 560
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127593

    there other good good 560 and HD 6950 cards from other makers like Asus,Sapphire,EVGA etc
    but I just used those as examples

    either the 560 or HD 6950 would be better value than HD 6870

    Just my opinion
    I could be wrong....


    Sorry for the drama on your thread
    I regret it happened
  42. Quote:
    560 or 560Ti?>??
    Big difference in performance



    good catch Greghome
    I am tired :)
    and definitley not an Nvidia expert LOL
    here is link to 560ti
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578&cm_re=560_ti_msi-_-14-127-578-_-Product

    about $30 more

    me personally if the wife ever approves a $1000 dollar system :(
    would go with the HD 6950

    darn rent,private school and groceries!

    dont women understand priorities like 60FPS in Crysis Warhead LOL
  43. Out of the 3 graphics card you reccomended, which would you choose? If you don't include the XFX HD-695X-ZNFC Radeon HD 6950, and only left the other 2, which would you reccomend because they are both the same price.

    The drama was actually quite interesting, I feel like you completely destroyed him though :P. Next time don't be so mean! Just kidding :D
  44. I am not sure what you mean by other two
    the HD 6950 is 220 after rebates with free shipping
    the 560Ti is 250 after rebates with $5 dollars shipping
    the 560 (no Ti) is 196 after rebates free shipping

    If you can swing the HD 6950 (if you like rebates)
    then that is best choice IMHO
    The 560 Ti is also great

    I have not looked up the difference in performance between 560(no Ti)
    and HD 6870 so I can tell if the 560 is better or not

    I do know that the 560 TI and Hd 6950 would both be better than
    HD 6870

    here in this article toms picks HD 6870 for the $210 price mark
    and the Hd 6950 for the $245

    but if now you can find deals on the HD 6950 that puts it at the price range
    of the HD 6870
    at about the same price HD 6950 is the better deal

    and looking at these benches
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp-edition-gtx-560-directcu-ii-top,2944-8.html

    the 560 (no Ti) is even with the HD 6870
    the 560 TI beats the HD 6870

    and this is the HD 6950 vs 560 Ti review summary
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/18

    pretty much even battle
    though the Hd 6950 can be a little noiser and hotter than the 560 Ti according to review

    that 200-220 price mark is tricky in GPUs
    really depends on what resolution you game at and hard you want to max
    could save money and go with a GTX 460 768mb
    up to 1920x1080 it is a great card and under $150
    but the 560Ti and HD 6950 will last you longer spec wise
  45. Well the P67 is just because it was in that combo. Do you have any other reccomendations? Also, what graphics card do you guys like?

    The hawk, GTX 560 Ti, Sapphire, or Radeon 6950
  46. Quote:
    ym guessing u're going with that crappy P67 just for overclocking ?
    *Not MSI , just that it has only 1 PCI-E *


    and personally I dont like the XFX 6950,
    I would go for this one
    Sapphire HD6950 1GB USD 230


    as for which 560, I would personally buy this one

    Gigabyte GTX560 Ti 900mhz core OC

    and TBH, u might not need any of those recommendations depending on ur gaming resolution and games u will run



    I have no allegiances brand wise LOL
    though I have had two Sapphires
    and they are still going strong
    also am partial to MSI and Asus

    really any major brand (asus,sapphire,msi,evga,gigabyte etc)
    is fine
    just go with cheapest :)

    PS I just like MSI because of miltitary grade components
    probably dont make a difference but it makes me feel better
  47. So which card do you recommend?
  48. I vote for the Sapphire Hd 6950 that Greghome linked
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7198682&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=je6NUbpObpQ-qKBY4EQLlGrlHHUy5ojIsA

    (nice hyperlink Greghome-I have to learn how to do that)

    I have had a couple of Sapphires and am very happy with them
    I still have a Sapphire ATI 9600 XT 256mbAGP from YEARS ago that is still
    running when I pulled it a month ago
  49. so this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102921&Tpk=Sapphire%20100312-1GSR%20Radeon%20HD%206950

    I have to wait for the 8gb ram kit anyways, so I might as well wait for the newegg one of the sapphire! Thanks for all this help! How does everything look now you two?
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