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June 28, 2011 2:27:43 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...

This is the build I am planning on getting, I want to get a cooling system for it. I have heard that the Thermaltake Frio is a good cooling system, however it is very big, what should I do?

Would the Thermaltake Frio fit?

Are there other cooling systems I should get?

Thanks!

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June 28, 2011 2:45:11 AM

This is pretty much the best cooler for the money
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
really cant go wrong with a 212+
also if you need more cooling that get two of these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and use them on ths side

really depends how hard you plan to OC your 2500k
they run REALLY cool
if your not overclocking seriously the stock Intel will work fine
but if you want to be safe and might want to OC
then the 212+ plus 2 Scythe 120mm wouild
keep your rig pretty chilly :) 
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June 28, 2011 2:56:49 AM

also 212+ is about 120 mm tall ( 5in)

your case is 7.48 inches side to side (width)
or about 190mm
so you have about a 70mm or 2.5 inch clearance

I believe I got that right :) 
newegg list dimensions as 120mmx120mmx25m

Alot of Toms members agree on 212+ and Scythe
pretty popular here

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June 28, 2011 3:29:08 AM

IGNORE MY DIMENSIONS
I didnt get it right :( 
sorry tired
check out this thread on the 212+
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/258023-29-installing-...
also check out this spec sheet from CM
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=...

from my reading it looks like your alright if your ram slots arent too close
or your ram is low profile (not over 37mm)

I looked at the mobo which is an ATX
and it looks to have good clearance around ram
you are getting Gskill Ripjaws which is a tall ram
so it would be nice to hear from somebody with experience with that mobo
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June 28, 2011 4:07:17 AM

I was thinking about corsairs, but since it comes with ripjaws i wanted to keep them all the same :p . How big are corsairs? I can't find their size.
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a b ) Power supply
June 28, 2011 5:05:25 AM

Just avoid ram with the big "teeth" (cooling fins)
from reading reviews the big cooling fins dont really do anything for cooling
in real world applications

i would avoid the Corsiar Vengeance for example
the XMS3 are good

looking at your moboon your link
and looking at the CM 212+
you look pretty good
since it is a ATX size board
looking again at this link
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=...
if you look at picture of 212+ on mobo (bottom picture-third from left)
the fan would drawing off your ram and blowing towards back of case

okay was just searching toms
looks like the 212+ is good with ATX cases and mobos
just not mATX cases and mATX boards with tall ram like the Ripjaws

to be safe keep the Ripjaws in the farther away slots


2 x 2gb ripjaws
2 x 2gb standard low profile ram

I dig some digging and the closest in CL and voltage were
these Kingstons are nicefor the price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
they are CL9 and your Ripjaws in combo are CL8
so your ram will drop to the lower timing of the Kingstons
but you wont ever notice the difference
unless your are going for world record memory benchmarks LOL


I want to be honest and tell I havent built a P67 board
so I hope some of the Sandy Bridge owners see this thread



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June 28, 2011 5:31:13 AM

Wow! Thanks for all this help! So if I wanted to get 2x 4gig ram of ripjaw, that would not be a good idea? Also, if the cooling system was taken out, would 4 ripjaws work? Thank you so much!
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June 28, 2011 5:40:30 AM

It is hard to fit the bigger coolers with ripjaws

BUT from reading that is on mATX boards
and yours is a ATX so you should have the space

you could look into other coolers
some of the Zalmans are nice
do remember that 2500k run cool even on stock Intel heatsink fan
this one would clear and gets good reviews
plus its it isnt pricey
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 28, 2011 5:42:53 AM

this was feedback on Newegg
Tradesman
6/1/2011 9:19:27 PM
Tech Level: 5/5
Ownership: 2/5
Verified Owner
Rating: 5/5Eggcellent
Pros: Just arrived yesterday, and already good to go. Used w/ a P67 mobo and 2500K, installed last night and in early testing surprised me, used AS 5 instead of the included compound and ran it up to 4.8 at for the moment, a nice cool 41 Celsius, will be in the, prob low 30's once the AS% cures. Will be running about 4.4 for the next few days

Cons: As mentioned by others, install can take a few minutes more than what you might expect, loosen the screws then get the left (from the mobo back plate on) then firmly attach the right and tighten down. No real big deal

Other Thoughts: For 1155 and 1366 is nice, doesn't interfere or overhang the DIMM sockets - now we'll see if they'll pay the promised rebate....LOL, yeah, sure they will.........
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June 28, 2011 5:44:35 AM

I'm planning on overclocking to 4-4.5 ghz, would the ZALMAN cooler work? Would it work with 4 ripjaws? And would 4 ripjaws work if there was no cooling system. BTW can I like give you points or something like that? You have been a great help to me
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a b ) Power supply
June 28, 2011 6:01:41 AM

read this link
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265083-29-which-coole...


On the bottom of posts there is a "Select Best Answer"
yes I get points :) 

but lets make sure I REALLY am the best answer LOL

if you read that post
OCing 2500k is easy up to 4.5 or so even on stock cooling
I think the Zalman would be safe bet to fit
Also Zalman is an great company
very respected

in the newegg feedback I posted the poster had the 2500k up to 4.8 at 41 celcsius
on the Zalman which is good
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June 28, 2011 6:07:31 AM

So do you think I can fit 4 ripjaws into this with ZALMAN? 2x2g and 2x4g?
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June 28, 2011 7:37:53 AM

should be fine with ripjaws
it is a 92mm cooler instead of 120 like the 212+ or Frio

this is from feeback on newegg link I posted
Deltech
5/27/2011 8:05:45 PM
Tech Level: 4/5
Ownership: 2/5
Verified Owner
Rating: 5/5Very Niiice !
Pros: One pro that has not been mentioned is the excellent clearance of the memory slots allowing for the high heat sinks that some memory have. The cpu fan pulls air across the memory instead of blowing hot cpu air down onto the MB and out all sides onto the memory sticks like the stock coolers do. Idles at 35c and in game 2.8 Phenom 720 OC,ed to 3.2 goes to 45c. I also like the innovative design of the cooling fins ; )

Cons: Only one I can think of is finding a replacement fan a couple of years down the road.

Other Thoughts: Hold down for AMD works well and is less difficult to install than some coolers I have installed with the lever pull down clip.
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June 29, 2011 1:09:21 AM

Wow! Thanks! Well I decided that this is what I will most likely get, could you tell me how it is?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Gigabyte Radeon HD 6870 1GB $199.99 ($20) mail in rebate card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.Skill Ripjaws X series 2x2gb 240 pin DDR3 $49.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ZALMAN 92mm fan $29.99 ($10) mail in rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?
ItemList=Combo.644166

i5-2500k
MSI P67A-C43
Antec Earthwatts EA-650 Green 650W
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 6.0Gb/s 3.5" internal hard drive
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black gaming ATX Case
G.Skill Ripjaws X series 2x2gb
6 ft powercord BYTECC

How does this look? If you could, could you look at the links just in case I misstyped something? Thanks!
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a b ) Power supply
June 29, 2011 2:11:35 AM

Good list
I would change out the Gigabyte 6870 for this one from MSI
awesome cooling system with this new propeller technology combined with
Twin Frozr setup
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

that should be a nice build
all good names
It should be really fast
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June 29, 2011 4:35:34 AM

I am a noob when it comes to overclocking, as I primarily use laptops. Will this build be nice for overclocking and keeping it nice and cool? I'm kinda nervous to overclock this computer, so I might wait a while first.
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a b ) Power supply
June 29, 2011 5:38:02 AM

really with the power of that computer there isnt a need to overclock
I would leave it alone in the beginning and just enjoy it
It will overclock nice so when you need the extra power it is there
If you really want to learn overclocking then go ahead
just google "guide to overclocking" and check out the overclocking forum
here and also check out
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/
just be careful
avoid upping your volts in the beginning
and make sure to use programs like CoreTemp and HWmonitor64
to monitor temps
I recommended the MSI hd 6870 Hawk because it is a good card to OC with
from all reviews

But like I said a 2500k is so fast that you really dont need to OC
until it starts to feel slow to you
which probably wont be for about 2-3 years at least LOL
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June 29, 2011 11:51:15 PM

I just realized I don't have an optical drive... what would you say I should get?
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a b ) Power supply
June 30, 2011 1:28:29 AM

That is a nice choice browsingtheworld BUT
with a 120mm cooler you have to worry about fitting tall ram
like Gskill Ripjaws and Corsair Vengeance

I linked this one earlier in post
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

remember he is getting a 2500k
and they run cool
you can OC one over 4.0 ghz with stock Intel HSF
so the Zalman will be more than enough
it is smaller than the 120mm coolers
it is cheap
it does a nice job of cooling (neighbor has one)
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June 30, 2011 11:21:33 PM

I was checking my motherboard, and it says it supports up to 2133*(OC) the 1600 is also written as 1600*(OC) does that mean the ram that I have to overclock the ram to get it's full power? Should I just buy DDR3 1333 ram instead?
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July 1, 2011 10:20:16 AM

NO, i would buy this motherboard its great for overclocking and it supports 1600mhz ram without OC : ASUS P8P67
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July 1, 2011 10:38:57 AM

king smp said:
That is a nice choice browsingtheworld BUT
with a 120mm cooler you have to worry about fitting tall ram
like Gskill Ripjaws and Corsair Vengeance

I linked this one earlier in post
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


remember he is getting a 2500k
and they run cool
you can OC one over 4.0 ghz with stock Intel HSF
so the Zalman will be more than enough
it is smaller than the 120mm coolers
it is cheap
it does a nice job of cooling (neighbor has one)

Who said he was going to use all 4 DIMMs?

That cooler is horrible, at least recommend a good 92mm cooler.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 1, 2011 10:58:42 AM

browsingtheworld said:
Who said he was going to use all 4 DIMMs?

That cooler is horrible, at least recommend a good 92mm cooler.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



first of all he said he was using all 4

second i know somebody that has that cooler
and it runs great
it is a freaking Zalman
Zalman doesnt make junk

the cooler you recommended looks good

but really you should think about how you post on Toms

we dont need people being disrespectful here
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July 1, 2011 11:08:06 AM

king smp said:
first of all he said he was using all 4

second i know somebody that has that cooler
and it runs great
it is a freaking Zalman
Zalman doesnt make junk

the cooler you recommended looks good

but really you should think about how you post on Toms

we dont need people being disrespectful here

If you found my post somehow offensive :lol: 

If you look through the reviews you'll notice how many people think it's crap while LOKI has universally great reviews. It's also cheaper. Apparently you don't know as much about coolers as you think you do.

Why is anyone encouraging OP to get 4 smaller sticks of RAM instead of 2 larger sticks when the cost is the same?

I bet you're one of those people who thinks every Corsair PSU is amazing too.
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July 1, 2011 11:11:15 AM

king smp said:
we decided not to use it because of the tall ram
But Toms recommends the 212+
Many members on Toms use it

But you know better than all of them?

If they think the 212+ is the best cooler for $30 then yes I do.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is much better. Not only is it quieter but it outperforms the 212+ even at max speed when the 212+ sounds like a hairdryer.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=259...

:hello: 
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July 1, 2011 11:13:11 AM

andycan111 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...

This is the build I am planning on getting, I want to get a cooling system for it. I have heard that the Thermaltake Frio is a good cooling system, however it is very big, what should I do?

Would the Thermaltake Frio fit?

Are there other cooling systems I should get?

Thanks!




This is why he would be using 4 dimms
The build he is getting comes with two 2gbs

Why dont you try reading the OPs posts before you comment

Also my neighbor and another person on Toms has the Zalman
and the Zalman runs good

I know it is good from talking to real people who own one
not some reviews I read
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July 1, 2011 11:26:03 AM

king smp said:
This is why he would be using 4 dimms
The build he is getting comes with two 2gbs

Why dont you try reading the OPs posts before you comment

Also my neighbor and another person on Toms has the Zalman
and the Zalman runs good


I know it is good from talking to real people who own one
not some reviews I read

My mistake on the DIMMs, he can still get the 120mm coolers and move the fan to the other side.

You and your neighbor are obviously the foremost experts on CPU coolers since you guys have tried all the other brands right?

So those reviews that say Verified Owner are made by gremlins?
Quote:

Oh that explains it
You are a Xigmatek FANBOI
Ok now I understand :non: 


Scared by them facts right?
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a b ) Power supply
July 1, 2011 11:37:57 AM

why would you want to move the fan to other side?

The right way to mount it would be firing the fan towards the back of the case

Dont get me wrong
The Xigmateks are good recommendations
But you dont know how to behave

You must be a kid
How old are you?
and how did you post over 300 times since 6/28?
that is 100 posts a day as an average
Must have alot of time on your hands
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July 1, 2011 8:31:48 PM

king smp said:
why would you want to move the fan to other side?

The right way to mount it would be firing the fan towards the back of the case

Dont get me wrong
The Xigmateks are good recommendations
But you dont know how to behave

You must be a kid
How old are you?
and how did you post over 300 times since 6/28?
that is 100 posts a day as an average
Must have alot of time on your hands

Most 120mm HDT coolers are push/pull designs so they can pull air from the other side and won't block any RAM DIMMs. Obviously it would be pulling air to the back instead of pushing air to the front...

I don't really care how you feel about it, I'm just trying to give good advice which you seem incapable of doing. I like you try to use yourself and your neighbor as sources for your bad recommendations.

Guard shack.
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 1:13:13 AM

"Most 120mm HDT coolers are push/pull designs so they can pull air from the other side and won't block any RAM DIMMs. Obviously it would be pulling air to the back instead of pushing air to the front..."

which is less effective for moving air
as the install guide showed (if you bothered to look at it)
when only using one fan it should be on the DIMM side blowing to the back
and really should have two fans for proper cooling
but a 120mm fan coolers have problems especially on mATX boards
and some ATX boards with tall ram like Ripjaws and Vengeance
that is why I changed my advice on the highly recommended Hyper 212+
which if you really knew what you were talking about you would know

and funny if I give such bad recommendations and advice then
why do I have 47 best answers in CPUs alone?
also how come I make a nice living repairing/selling computers?

Nobody can call a Zalman a "bad recommendation"
If you knew anything
then you would know they have a long and great reputation
for cooling products

Have you owned that Zalman cooler I recommended?
Have you seen one in action?
Also I checked with Malmental who is also a certified tech and a respected member
of toms
and he stated that is a decent cooler for the money

Really your kind is not needed here
go to the other forums where the fanbois hang out

I stated that the Xigmatek you recommended looks like a good choice
also
instead of insulting you and calling everything besides Zigmatek "crap"

You didnt even read the OPs post.....
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 4:51:00 AM

Okay I had to learn this a long time ago
I kinda of forgot alot (just needed to pass test LOL)
really what it comes down to is the lower the CL
the faster the ram
if your going to get heavily into OCing you need to know
and this best thing I can do is refer you to Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_timings
really I cant explain it better than them

they are the same timings just expressed differently
the first number is cas latency
(time to address a bank in nanoseconds? could be wrong)

really just know that the lower the CL the better
but dont get too crazy about it unless you plan to set overclocking records :) 

the faster the ram in mhz (frequency) than the higher the CL normally

for examply the old DDR PC 2100 was CL 2
while my ddr2-800 is at CL5 which is on the lower side for 800mhz ram
but your ram at CL8 is actually pretty low for that speed

there is really alot of detail to it
but I looked at your ram in build
it is 8-8-8-24 CL8
now if you use a CL9 for the other dimms
all the ram will run at the speed of slowest stick

try to match up the timings
but going from CL8 to CL9 for example
really will never make any difference in real world scenarios

unless you are going for benchmark records and Overclocking titles
it doesnt make a difference
if you do want to heavily OC then read that wiki link
changing timings can be crucial in good overclocks
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July 2, 2011 5:07:57 AM

So it's okay even though both of the websites have different things? What does the 2N mean? I searched it up but it was kind of confusing.
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 5:39:16 AM

honestly I just know timings expressed in 4 digits
x-x-x-xx

I believe the 2N is the command rate
but I would have to research that to be sure

really the lower the timings the faster
the CL is is the important number


I can copy and paste this

CAS latency

CL

The time between sending a column address to the memory and the beginning of the data in response. This is the time it takes to read the first bit of memory from a DRAM with the correct row already open.



Row Address to Column Address Delay

TRCD

The number of clock cycles required between the opening of a row of memory and accessing columns within it. The time to read the first bit of memory from a DRAM without an active row is TRCD + CL.



Row Precharge Time

TRP

The number of clock cycles required between the issuing of the precharge command and opening the next row. The time to read the first bit of memory from a DRAM with the wrong row open is TRP + TRCD + CL.



Row Active Time

TRAS

The number of clock cycles required between a bank active command and issuing the precharge command. This is the time needed to internally refresh the row, and overlaps with TRCD. In SDRAM modules, it is simply TRCD + CL. Otherwise, approximately equal to TRCD + (2 * CL).

but unless you are going for a bachelor in computer science
you really only need to know that the lower the CL the better

actually sometimes even though the ram is faster 1333 >1066
if the CL of the slower speed (MHZ) is drasitically lower than the
than the higher speed ram than that is actually a faster ram

there is also what the cpu is sychronized in regards to ram
standard is 1:1
but there is also 2:3 (?) (could be wrong-been awhile)

for example if you have a FSB of 1066 then 533mhz ram is optimal and actually faster than using 667mhz ram
though going to 800mhz will make a difference

since bus speed = 266x4 = 1066-remember that Intel quad pumps the FSB
and 2 x 266 (remember this DDR memory-effectively doubles)

now I am not the best at explaining this
It is something I know but not well enough to teach

I am glad you are interested
I actually get lost happily in WIkipedia hopping from link to link in articles explaining
this type of subjects
But I am not an expert at this
really WIki can teach you the basics in the computer sciences if you are willing to dig into it
but to really understand takes years of schooling
I just had basic High School computer classes

you need one of the computer science college majors to explain it well

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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 5:40:44 AM

andycan111 said:
This is kinda off-topic, but since king you've been the most helpful, I have a question.
On newegg it says that the ripjaws are 8-8-8-24 timings. With Cas latency 8

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

However, on the g.skill website, it says Cas timings are 8-8-8-24-2N

http://gskill.com/products.php?index=350

What does Cas Timing and Cas Latency mean?

Why are the two website displaying different timings?

Thank you so much!



same timings
just remember CL8
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 5:50:22 AM

I like the build just the way it is
good solid build with good parts

as far as GPU
I would go for this HD 6950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or this GTX 560
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

there other good good 560 and HD 6950 cards from other makers like Asus,Sapphire,EVGA etc
but I just used those as examples

either the 560 or HD 6950 would be better value than HD 6870

Just my opinion
I could be wrong....


Sorry for the drama on your thread
I regret it happened
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 6:15:35 AM

Quote:
560 or 560Ti?>??
Big difference in performance



good catch Greghome
I am tired :) 
and definitley not an Nvidia expert LOL
here is link to 560ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

about $30 more

me personally if the wife ever approves a $1000 dollar system :( 
would go with the HD 6950

darn rent,private school and groceries!

dont women understand priorities like 60FPS in Crysis Warhead LOL
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July 2, 2011 6:16:55 AM

Out of the 3 graphics card you reccomended, which would you choose? If you don't include the XFX HD-695X-ZNFC Radeon HD 6950, and only left the other 2, which would you reccomend because they are both the same price.

The drama was actually quite interesting, I feel like you completely destroyed him though :p . Next time don't be so mean! Just kidding :D 
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July 2, 2011 6:38:54 AM

I am not sure what you mean by other two
the HD 6950 is 220 after rebates with free shipping
the 560Ti is 250 after rebates with $5 dollars shipping
the 560 (no Ti) is 196 after rebates free shipping

If you can swing the HD 6950 (if you like rebates)
then that is best choice IMHO
The 560 Ti is also great

I have not looked up the difference in performance between 560(no Ti)
and HD 6870 so I can tell if the 560 is better or not

I do know that the 560 TI and Hd 6950 would both be better than
HD 6870

here in this article toms picks HD 6870 for the $210 price mark
and the Hd 6950 for the $245

but if now you can find deals on the HD 6950 that puts it at the price range
of the HD 6870
at about the same price HD 6950 is the better deal

and looking at these benches
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp...

the 560 (no Ti) is even with the HD 6870
the 560 TI beats the HD 6870

and this is the HD 6950 vs 560 Ti review summary
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

pretty much even battle
though the Hd 6950 can be a little noiser and hotter than the 560 Ti according to review

that 200-220 price mark is tricky in GPUs
really depends on what resolution you game at and hard you want to max
could save money and go with a GTX 460 768mb
up to 1920x1080 it is a great card and under $150
but the 560Ti and HD 6950 will last you longer spec wise

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July 2, 2011 6:42:14 AM

Well the P67 is just because it was in that combo. Do you have any other reccomendations? Also, what graphics card do you guys like?

The hawk, GTX 560 Ti, Sapphire, or Radeon 6950
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 6:43:50 AM

Quote:
ym guessing u're going with that crappy P67 just for overclocking ?
*Not MSI , just that it has only 1 PCI-E *


and personally I dont like the XFX 6950,
I would go for this one
Sapphire HD6950 1GB USD 230


as for which 560, I would personally buy this one

Gigabyte GTX560 Ti 900mhz core OC

and TBH, u might not need any of those recommendations depending on ur gaming resolution and games u will run



I have no allegiances brand wise LOL
though I have had two Sapphires
and they are still going strong
also am partial to MSI and Asus

really any major brand (asus,sapphire,msi,evga,gigabyte etc)
is fine
just go with cheapest :) 

PS I just like MSI because of miltitary grade components
probably dont make a difference but it makes me feel better
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July 2, 2011 6:45:57 AM

So which card do you recommend?
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a b ) Power supply
July 2, 2011 6:53:48 AM

I vote for the Sapphire Hd 6950 that Greghome linked
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

(nice hyperlink Greghome-I have to learn how to do that)

I have had a couple of Sapphires and am very happy with them
I still have a Sapphire ATI 9600 XT 256mbAGP from YEARS ago that is still
running when I pulled it a month ago

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