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March 29, 2011 3:52:20 AM

I had put together this i5 build and was wondering what someone thought of it. This is my first build. I almost went with an Phenom x4 instead however in the end with the build it was a 50 dollar difference between the i5 and the AMD so I chose the i5.

I do plan on flashing the 6950 to the 6970 bios which is why I have selected it.

I know I didn't include a DVD drive, I am taking the one from my old system instead.

If you can think of how I can do this for cheaper or having a comparable gaming system that will allow me to max out the current games please feel free to share that with myself.

Thanks a lot in advance. All parts are from newegg.

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March 29, 2011 4:05:11 AM

I highly recommend you buy a p67 instead of a h67 board because you cannot overclock with the h67 chipset. Also spend a little extra for the i5-2400k so you can overclock. It is important for eliminating cpu bottlenecks in games. Also if your just gaming, 4gb will be enough memory, so save the money from the memory and get a 2500k and h67 board.
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March 29, 2011 4:34:00 AM

So this would be better?

Also have no experience with previous overclocking. If I decided to overclock I would need a better cooling design than I currently have? Any recommendations on that?

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March 29, 2011 5:00:12 AM

disabledteacher said:
So this would be better?


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Not quite. You're better off spending the extra $15 and getting the i5-2500K as it allows you to overclock (SB are ridiculously easy to OC to 4Ghz stable with stock heatsink). As for memory, your initial G.Skill Ripjaw ram was perfect, just get 4GB (2x2GB) instead of the 8GB.

One last note, if you ever want the capability for CF/SLI you're going to need the ASRock P67 EXTREME4. The current board you have picked out is great board, but it only has one PCI-e slot.
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March 29, 2011 5:09:00 AM

Bacillus said:
Not quite. You're better off spending the extra $15 and getting the i5-2500K as it allows you to overclock (SB are ridiculously easy to OC to 4Ghz stable with stock heatsink). As for memory, your initial G.Skill Ripjaw ram was perfect, just get 4GB (2x2GB) instead of the 8GB.

One last note, if you ever want the capability for CF/SLI you're going to need the ASRock P67 EXTREME4. The current board you have picked out is great board, but it only has one PCI-e slot.


I agree but here is my problem: my build is getting more expensive. Over 800 was already hurting my budget already but with what you recommend to be added now pushing 900.

I would prefer to keep the 2500k however I would like to be able to add a better heatsink since if I have a toy I'll want to play with it :bounce: 

Is there anyway I can shortchange another part of the rig for cheaper? Do I really need the more expensive ram?

Switching the video card isnt an option
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March 29, 2011 5:41:17 AM

disabledteacher said:
I agree but here is my problem: my build is getting more expensive. Over 800 was already hurting my budget already but with what you recommend to be added now pushing 900.

I would prefer to keep the 2500k however I would like to be able to add a better heatsink since if I have a toy I'll want to play with it :bounce: 

Is there anyway I can shortchange another part of the rig for cheaper? Do I really need the more expensive ram?

Switching the video card isnt an option


Another thing I forgot to mention is with HDD's for the same price you'd be better off with the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. If you get it from amazon it's slightly cheaper than Newegg and it has free shipping.

As for heatsink, the best one for the price is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus. It's only $35 and would allow you to stably OC your 2500k upwards of 5GHz.

I understand the desire to cut costs, and it is very likely you could (I'll see what I can find), but getting cheaper ram to save $5 is really not worth it. The ripjaws is meant for SB and the best memory out there for your setup.

With price constraints, keeping with your P67 Pro3 will save you $20 and is all you need. You can also cut another $10 if you get the Antec Three Hundred that doesn't have the LED's (which is what I use..LED's are obnoxious to me). You'd also be able to knock off another $10 getting the XFX Core Edition PRO650W PSU. So with those cuts you'd be looking at around $875 after MIR (not including the 212+). The easiest place to cut some of the cost would be the GPU, but you stated that's not an option.
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March 29, 2011 5:57:56 AM

Amazon has the Cool Master for cheap (30) so since Im breaking the bank anyway....

however the HD I intitially picked is Sata 6g/s instead of 3g/s of the one you selected. I already have a 320 gb 7200 sata 3g/s drive from my old machine I can use for more space if I am cramped for more internal memory. What would the need to switch be for? Just not sure if I am missing something or not.

If I knew of another video card that would give me max performance on Dragon Age 2, etc then I would switch it out but as far as I know at 1920x1020 I need the 2gb of ram for the increase in resolution and I can flash that particular card to 6970.

Newegg doesnt have the board you recommended in stock, gotta try and find it elsewhere if I can.

Bacillus, you are being an amazing help. I hope you'll have more ideas for me when I get up later today

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March 29, 2011 5:59:12 AM

Forgot to write that the power supply I have already selected is 10 dollars cheaper than the one you selected up for myself, as long as the instant savings holds out at newegg
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March 29, 2011 6:09:31 AM

Whoa whoa whoa. This is moving very fast, but +5ghz overclock aren't guarenteed. Anything over 4ghz is a plus. 5ghz+ overclocks are on top grade 2500Ks, not all CPUs are made to the same 100%. Some can be made good for use, but not that great for OCs. I think 4.5ghz is a more reasonable overclock. Still high, just not that high.

Get a Samsung F3 1TB, that'll just leave you room for a long time. It's fast and just as good as any SATA III (SATA 6gb/s). Mechanical hard drives (HDD) aren't really optimized for SATA III, SSDs (Solid State Drives) are but not HDDs.

As for a Video card, a 6870 would run DA2 @ 1920x1080 just fine. That'd save you about 50-60$ which could be saving you in your budget.

WAYYYY better option for your motherboard, the P67A-G45.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Assuming you don't want to learn to overclock, the G45 features OC genie which allows pretty quick one button overclocks. They've been worked the Genie's kinks out and from my knowledge gets a good grade 2500K up to 4.5ghz or so. The G45 also has 2 PCI Express 16x 2.0 slots rather than the one of the Pro3. This will allow for future Crossfire if you so choose to do (If you need more power for graphics) And finally, it's just the same price.
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March 29, 2011 6:33:24 AM

disabledteacher said:
Amazon has the Cool Master for cheap (30) so since Im breaking the bank anyway....

however the HD I intitially picked is Sata 6g/s instead of 3g/s of the one you selected. I already have a 320 gb 7200 sata 3g/s drive from my old machine I can use for more space if I am cramped for more internal memory. What would the need to switch be for? Just not sure if I am missing something or not.

If I knew of another video card that would give me max performance on Dragon Age 2, etc then I would switch it out but as far as I know at 1920x1020 I need the 2gb of ram for the increase in resolution and I can flash that particular card to 6970.

Newegg doesnt have the board you recommended in stock, gotta try and find it elsewhere if I can.

Bacillus, you are being an amazing help. I hope you'll have more ideas for me when I get up later today


The F3 is actually faster than the WD. It would also be worth your while to snag the 320GB from your old machine for extra storage if you need/want it.

As for the motherboards, were you planning on the EXTREME4 or the Pro3? I'm assuming the EXTREME4 since it's currently out of stock, but it'll likely be in stock shortly. So unless you need the computer now (hard to wait, I definitely understand haha), you'd be best just waiting until it is restocked.

Regarding the GPU, your performance levels will really depend upon what resolution you plan to be playing at. One card I'd consider is the GTX 560 Ti. When OC'd, it typically performs greater than or equally to the HD 6950. While the 6950 is capable of OC'ing, but the gains aren't as great as from the 560 Ti. To be honest for the small difference in price though I'd probably stick with the HD 6950.
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March 29, 2011 6:36:52 AM

aznshinobi said:
Whoa whoa whoa. This is moving very fast, but +5ghz overclock aren't guarenteed. Anything over 4ghz is a plus. 5ghz+ overclocks are on top grade 2500Ks, not all CPUs are made to the same 100%. Some can be made good for use, but not that great for OCs. I think 4.5ghz is a more reasonable overclock. Still high, just not that high.


I apologize for my poor wording. By "upwards of 5GHz" I had meant that it would be <5Ghz, but in the range of 4.5-4.8GHz (as high as I've personally witnessed OC'd with a 212+).
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March 29, 2011 6:39:44 AM

^ Ermm... F3 is actually slower than the new WD Black SATA III HDDs.

And the Pro3 would be worse than the GD45, but the Extreme4 would be 20$ but @ the price, a great board compared to others around the price.

GPU, 560 Ti does not benefit anything in Dragon Age. In fact performing terribly versus even a 6850.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/03/28/dragon_age_2_...
DA2 is an ATI/AMD favored gaming, as devs come into play again. That is why DA2 is one of the games supporting AMD HD3D. Nvidia does the same, IE bad AMD performance in games like HAWX (1,2).

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March 29, 2011 6:46:06 AM

aznshinobi said:
^ Ermm... F3 is actually slower than the new WD Black SATA III HDDs.

***, my bad..didn't even realize it was the new WD, had been comparing to benchmarks of the older.

aznshinobi said:
GPU, 560 Ti does not benefit anything in Dragon Age. In fact performing terribly versus even a 6850. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/03/28/dragon_age_2_... DA2 is an ATI/AMD favored gaming, as devs come into play again. That is why DA2 is one of the games supporting AMD HD3D. Nvidia does the same, IE bad AMD performance in games like HAWX (1,2).

I stand corrected. Had been speaking more in general, rather than pertaining explicitly to DA2. After checking out the 6850's performance in general, and specifically for DA2, I definitely would have to endorse your suggestion.

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March 29, 2011 6:54:43 AM

Hah, all good.

As for generally, yes the 560 Ti does perform better, but it's kind of a back and forth argument. You have most Ti models sitting at 250$, while 6950 2GB models sit at 265$ w/ 20$ MIRs. TI's have the overclock ability, however the 6950 can unlock to a 6970, in which case 570 vs 6970 is about even.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/292?vs=306

All depends on the games.

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March 29, 2011 1:01:50 PM

aznshinobi said:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Basically gives you an idea, the 6950 2GB wins in all resolutions about 1680x1050.


With which this build is now forcing me to keep my old monitor due to the more money I am funneling into my new system.

I have been reading up on the 2500k. I'll make a point about that I didn't feel the need to want to overclock until I saw the performance numbers gained as you push the i5 upward. Plus I do like a technical challenge.

So here is my final pick I believe. The hard drive & heatsink I'll get through Amazon for cheaper:

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Now I just wish could find a "cheap" monitor but they are all around 200 but I guess I can suffer 1680x1050 for awhile. I really cannot justify above 1k. Not even sure how I am justifying above 800 lol.

And really wish to try and get this today so cant wait for them to restock. The motherboard selected seems good enough. I do want to learn about overclocking though and seems others are doing well with it even if they dont use the genie.

LMK and any links to some good first build tutorials would be helpful so I can read up before the parts arrive.
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March 29, 2011 1:03:10 PM

I meant to swap out the Caviar for the F3 like all of you suggested
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March 29, 2011 2:01:44 PM

get the cheapest 4gb kit. it should only run you 40$ then get a 6870 instead so you have about 80$ back to your monitor budget
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March 29, 2011 2:15:26 PM

One last thing before I go ahead and buy - I forgot I need a PCI Wireless N. Preferably for cheap and that is reliable for gaming. Recommendations?
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March 29, 2011 2:24:22 PM

aznshinobi said:
get the cheapest 4gb kit. it should only run you 40$ then get a 6870 instead so you have about 80$ back to your monitor budget


Rather wait a month or to get a better monitor than to ditch the better video card now for it.

Still unsure about the Ram. Still reading on them, however need to set the PCI N card and then Im going to buy, pray, and hope its all good
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March 29, 2011 4:13:38 PM

Okay, done and done :) .

Grabbed a 500gb F3 instead of the 1TB. I really dont need the extra space. Grabbed the Wireless N PCI & Cooling from Amazon and everything else form newegg.

I'll keep this thread updated when I get the parts and I begin to put them together.

Thanks a lot for the help from all of you
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March 29, 2011 4:14:19 PM

disabledteacher said:
Rather wait a month or to get a better monitor than to ditch the better video card now for it.

Still unsure about the Ram. Still reading on them, however need to set the PCI N card and then Im going to buy, pray, and hope its all good


I noticed you also decided to pick up some thermal paste. Some of the best stuff out there is the AS5 so if you do get any, that'd be the stuff to get.

Also I definitely agree with waiting a little while for a new monitor. To be honest, I use 1680x1050 and really haven't considered a new monitor...it's more than sufficient for any practical gaming purposes. If you really need something high resolution or just a big screen, consider hooking it up to your TV.

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Best of luck with your build..should be a great one!
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March 29, 2011 6:54:57 PM

didnt even think of audio...do any of you know if the audio will be good on this board? should I be content with it or look to upgrade later?
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March 29, 2011 10:50:06 PM

Audio off the motherboard is sufficient. Unless you have like a Bose sound system (5.1) then may be a sound card is needed. But most likely you won't need it.
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March 31, 2011 12:51:06 AM

thanks

Got all the parts, so wish me luck, going to read the case and motherboard manuals and begin from there. Anyone have any good check lists or tutorial videos?
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March 31, 2011 1:34:46 AM

Check out my siggy, top of the page is the guide.
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April 4, 2011 1:59:36 PM

Thanks for the help everyone. Machine runs like a dream. Going to attempt to overclock soonish with it
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April 4, 2011 7:51:54 PM

alright good luck.
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April 14, 2011 12:48:56 AM

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