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Umm 8800 gt vs 6870

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January 26, 2011 1:03:26 AM


my rig

amd 1090t oc 4ghz water cooled,
ati his 6870,
msi 870a-g54 mother board,
corsiar xm3 4 gigs of ram 1306mhz 8-8-8-20-27
ultra 550watt power supply..

i watched a vid on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ0RQfeOXo

i am getting the same performances as a 8800 gt???? does this make sence. i put crysis at me graphics, 1080p no aa or af and im getting 50 fps.... same as the 8800.. the gtx 560 is in the 100s... what is up with that.. it seems like my fps are consistently slower then anyones i see on the internet and its driving me nuts. im computer savy everything is clean and up to date.. is this normal? i feel like i want to swich my graphics card up for a 6970 but im scared its not going to make a differnce. like its something else..

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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 2:38:41 AM

You are fine, that guy must have been playing on low settings. I couldn't get the vid to actually "run". An 8800gt will get 50FPS maxed our with crysis.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 3:24:27 AM

First thing I noticed is that he isn't using an 8800GT, but an 8800GTX. That X makes a huge difference. More shaders, more memory bandwidth, faster card overall. Second, he never gives the res, but he does say you can put youtube into 1080 mode to watch so he MIGHT be using that. (120Hz sticker and 2ms is on the side of his monitor, so its probably 1080.) Third, he clearly states that he is "running on all medium details".

To test, load Crysis with "all medium details" and see what your frame rate is. Make sure Vsync is off for this test so you don't get capped at 30 or 60FPS.
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January 26, 2011 3:58:13 AM

4745454b said:
First thing I noticed is that he isn't using an 8800GT, but an 8800GTX. That X makes a huge difference. More shaders, more memory bandwidth, faster card overall. Second, he never gives the res, but he does say you can put youtube into 1080 mode to watch so he MIGHT be using that. (120Hz sticker and 2ms is on the side of his monitor, so its probably 1080.) Third, he clearly states that he is "running on all medium details".

To test, load Crysis with "all medium details" and see what your frame rate is. Make sure Vsync is off for this test so you don't get capped at 30 or 60FPS.


o sorry i forgot to mention im running it all on med, no aa, no af, 1080p no v sync.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 4:05:28 AM

If an 8800GTX is getting 50 fps in Crysis at 1080p then it must be using rather low settings and/or resolution. Just look at some benchmarks of the game to see if your performance is lower than normal. There should be plenty of reviews of the HD6870 that include Crysis.
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January 26, 2011 4:38:07 AM

i think 8800gt is a goood better card because hd 6870 is a mid range gpu however 8800gt was high end card of its time.8800gtx was old,but it had more shaders.thats why it was good at its time.but those cards are still capable of playing high end games.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 5:29:57 AM

Not even close jericho.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 5:32:17 AM

lol
Maybe he is drunk. I've been away for a bit but I don't remember jericho being this bad.
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 5:36:15 AM

If you really think that your GPU is broken, just RMA to be safe. You know your scores better than any of us do. I think with what we have told you, it is your time to decide.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 4:55:38 PM

So if you watch a a video on youtube that Obama is an alien you'll believe that too? I've got some "special" insurance I'd like to sell you :lol: 

Anyway make sure that you have the latest patch for Crysis. It makes a huge difference. Also, the guy is using an 8800GTX (with an ultra cooler and might be overclocked), not an 8800GT, which should generally be a little above a GTS 450 in pure performance baring driver abnormalities. Generally speaking 8800GTX >= GTS250 > GTS450. Comparatively your 6870 isn't doing too bad at 1080p and you should be o.k running it on high.

To see where the bottleneck is overclock your card and see if you get an increase in FPS. If not, then the problem lies elsewhere.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 6:03:51 PM

HostileDonut said:
If you really think that your GPU is broken, just RMA to be safe. You know your scores better than any of us do. I think with what we have told you, it is your time to decide.

Really? You think it is good advice tell someone to RMA a card that seems to be performing exactly as should be expected based on some sketchy youtube benchmark they spotted?
This isn't a situation with two reasonable ways to go that you should be telling the OP to go with his own opinion if that opinion is "youtube said my card sux so i need something better."
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 6:07:08 PM

Don't base your system against a youtube video of some random person. I've seen people argue that a P4 with 9400GT should be able to play GTA IV smoothly cause they saw it on youtube. lol
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 6:07:40 PM

Well, if you think that your card is broken, then why not? When you get a new good one, it will help you determine if it is or isn't. That is what I do. Do you not agree that it would help you determine if it is good or not? You don't need to bash me for it.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 6:13:00 PM

What not RMA the new card also if it gives the same performance? You never know and there was that 8800GTX on youtube... :p 
I'm just saying the proper thing to do here is to tell the OP that youtube benchmarks should not be used to make any sort of decision about anything and certainly aren't a reason to RMA or upgrade a card.
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 6:14:45 PM

Well, he is the one who knows the card better than any of us do. I said that if you really thinks it is broken, RMA.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 6:29:51 PM

HostileDonut said:
Well, he is the one who knows the card better than any of us do.
I guess this is where we disagree. I think both of us know a lot more about his card than he does which is why he came to the site to ask for advice.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 7:05:46 PM

So if you're getting 50 at medium settings what happens when you go up to high settings? If the FPS doesn't change much, the X6 is the issue. In the video the guy is also on an i7 2600k, overclocked, which of course is going to kill the X6 in gaming.
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 7:19:56 PM

This thread makes me want to benchmark a game with a GTX 580 and put it on YouTube claiming that it's an HD 5570. :??: 

/worthless off-topic comment

Anyway, you should really be comparing your results to actual benchmarks, like those here at Tom's, instead of Youtube. (See above) Only then can you say for sure that there's something wrong, and even if you do find that something is, then start troubleshooting everything else as well. Just my words of advice.

...and MSI Motherboards FTW!
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a b U Graphics card
January 26, 2011 7:25:23 PM

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That'll teach ya for buying Amd ;) 

As we said, there is nothing wrong. :p  So it is not AMD. It is no one.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 12:26:38 AM

Actually, the GTS450 is faster then the 8800GTX or GTS250. If you get one of the massively overclocked GTS450s you get a card thats just behind the 5770.

I agree that I wouldn't put too much stock in the vid. He never showed his settings and we have to assume how honest he is. He could have showed us the details page but he didn't. We don't know the clocks, we actually know very little about his test conditions. You would also need to test at the same spot in the game. If you're testing latter in the game or level with enemies around that could also explain some of the difference. Run the benchmark built into the game and compare with other places.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 12:51:42 AM

mrjericho1991 said:
i think 8800gt is a goood better card because hd 6870 is a mid range gpu however 8800gt was high end card of its time.8800gtx was old,but it had more shaders.thats why it was good at its time.but those cards are still capable of playing high end games.



dude you are full of crap, another comment FAIL!
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 12:52:23 AM

jyjjy said:
lol
Maybe he is drunk. I've been away for a bit but I don't remember jericho being this bad.


never heard anything of value out of him, his grammar skills are at least a 4th grade level
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 1:42:13 AM

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never heard anything of value out of him, his grammar skills are at least a 4th grade level

Maybe he is from a different country, don't bash him for that.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 1:44:36 AM

no trust me he is a dumbass ive seen him making dim witted comments that are not only illogical but have no factual basis, this kind of opinion is not needed, likely he's some kid...
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a c 171 U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 2:24:00 AM

Or someone new and English isn't his primary language. There is someone on this forum who drives me nuts with his posts, but this guy doesn't ring a bell for me. I know that some of us will believe one thing while others will believe something else (AMD vs Intel or AMD vs Nvidia, etc.) which is fine. But I also believe that those who constantly post cr@p that is so off the mark needs to have us "jump on" him so that FUD is not spread.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 2:58:42 AM

yeah moreover I don't care for his gloating tone just throwing accusations out like the 8800gtx being better then a 6870 which is nowhere close to being true no matter how you argue it... sounds like he picked up on someones comment and ran with it... I just figured he was a kid because his bc of 1991 (maybe his bday) but I could be wrong
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a c 171 U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 3:04:22 AM

I guess that depends of your definition of "kid". Keep in mind that anyone born in 1991 is "legal" if you catch my drift. Next year s/he could even legally drink. When you said kid you were probably meaning younger then you by 10-20years, but being a younger person myself I was thinking of someone 10-15yo.

But enough off topic stuff for me. I'll wait for the OP to report back with his new test results.
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a b U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 3:45:16 AM

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right on either way he's a moron... if the op is getting 50 fps at 1080p he is no way playing at high or ultra, most likely all low, only a strong crossfire or sli setup is going to yield those kind of frames @ high or better in 1080p

He is playing all medium settings 1080p and no aa or af.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
January 27, 2011 3:54:03 AM



Take from this what you will. (BTW cards were overclocked to 870/1200)
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February 3, 2011 2:31:26 AM

woo lol. there is lots here lol. i actually upgraded to a 6970 lol. it should be here in a weak. i did the crysis gpu bench mark program on full settings and got 26 fps. then the cpu bench mark and only got 22 with my 1090t at 3.5ghz . then for some reason over clocked it to 4 ghz and got 21 fps on the cpu bench mark.. wierd..
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a b U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 4:11:37 AM

lindseyhunt1090 said:
woo lol. there is lots here lol. i actually upgraded to a 6970 lol. it should be here in a weak. i did the crysis gpu bench mark program on full settings and got 26 fps. then the cpu bench mark and only got 22 with my 1090t at 3.5ghz . then for some reason over clocked it to 4 ghz and got 21 fps on the cpu bench mark.. wierd..

Maybe it is not stable? :o 
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February 3, 2011 4:57:11 AM

not sure. having troubles over clocking my cpu. 1090t. i think its my ram. i have cossair xm3 2x2 1333mhz ram. but i dont think its stable at 1333mhz for some reason. when i so a 200fsb and change the multiplyer to get to 4 ghz it crashes every other day. but if i change the fsb to2 245 and change my ram timing to 1307mhz and change the multiplyer to get to 4 ghz it seems ok.. also might be my voltages. not sure.. i want some 1600mhz ram and relax it a bit. maybe a better mobo will help to. im running a shitty msi 870a g45... dunno time will tell.
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a b U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 5:07:35 AM

You MUST turn your RAM DOWN or your FSB can fry your RAM. Try OCCT, it is a stress test program. http://www.majorgeeks.com/OCCT_d5612.html Run it for four hours with standard test and large data transfers. You really should not just run an OC CPU without a stress test. Also try MemTest86+ for memory. http://download.cnet.com/Memtest86/3000-2086_4-10524193... How to run MemTest86+: Download, burn to CD, boot to BIOS, tell it to boot to CD ROM, run the test for eight hours and then eight hours again. If there are no errors, you are fine. For OCCT, if you get the blue screen of death, well, obviously you are not stable. If OCCT tells you that you had an error on a core, it means that it is not completely stable. Normally running it a few notches down fixes it or increasing voltages. Try those for CPU and RAM stability.
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February 3, 2011 7:23:10 AM

no way,common guys when i said that 8800gt or gtx is better than hd 6870?i just said that 8800gt was high end card of its time which is over now.it can run high end games with medium settings which is truth.are you kidding that 8800gt is better than hd 6870.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 7:29:46 AM

No, it wasn't. The 8800GT was never a high end card. Top of midrange sure, but the high end was always the 8800GTX, 8800Ultra, 9800GTX, GTS250, etc. The 8800/9800GT was midrange.

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are you kidding that 8800gt is better than hd 6870.


To me it still looks like you are saying the 8800GT is better/faster then the 6870. Its not even close. The 6870 should be faster then two 8800GTs in SLI.
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February 3, 2011 7:36:31 AM

first tell me what is meaning of high end card?then tell me the meaning of 3 year old high end card?
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a b U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 7:37:22 AM

4745454b said:
No, it wasn't. The 8800GT was never a high end card. Top of midrange sure, but the high end was always the 8800GTX, 8800Ultra, 9800GTX, GTS250, etc. The 8800/9800GT was midrange.

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are you kidding that 8800gt is better than hd 6870.


To me it still looks like you are saying the 8800GT is better/faster then the 6870. Its not even close. The 6870 should be faster then two 8800GTs in SLI.

+1.2 8800GTs in SLI equal a GTX 280 which is slightly slower than the 460 which is slightly slower than the 6870
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February 3, 2011 7:56:14 AM

well if you hate my statement then yes i am saying that 2 8800ultras are better than hd 6870.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 8:00:58 AM

Thank you, but somehow I doubt two people telling him the same thing will change his mind.

What's a high end card? Its the card(s) that provide the best performance of their day. In this case, it was the 8800GTX/Ultra. You could kind of consider the 8800GTS 512MB as well, but usually only when you OC'd it. The 8800GT started the midrange cards, at least in my book.

The point is it doesn't matter. Whether it was a high end card or midrange is irrelevant. As even you admitted, its day is over, done, finished. Because computers continue to get faster, yesterdays high end becomes todays midrange or worse. After the 8800GT existed you had the 9 series, the GTX2xx series, and the GTX4xx series. We don't even use that anymore, we are on the GTX5xx series. How many generations old is the 8800GT? The current cards that are similar to the 8800GT is the 5670. That card is considered low end by some.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 8:08:52 AM

No you didn't. You said,

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are you kidding that 8800gt is better than hd 6870.


I said not only is it better then one, its better then two. The 6870 is better then two 8800GTs. Whether its better then two 8800Ultra's is at least mildly debatable.

I think I better stop handing out troll food. I've got better things to do with my time. Good day sir.
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a b U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 6:07:57 PM

OP, did you try the stress tests? If so, were the CPU and RAM stable? I am very interested to know.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 7:15:39 PM

@mrjericho1991, You're so wrong about the 8800GT being a match for the 6870 it's just not funny.

@jjb8675309, Lay off the insults or you might find yourself taking some time off from being able to post.
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a b U Graphics card
February 3, 2011 7:33:37 PM

Mousemonkey said:
@mrjericho1991, You're so wrong about the 8800GT being a match for the 6870 it's just not funny.

@jjb8675309, Lay off the insults or you might find yourself taking some time off from being able to post.

I agree with you. People are being WAY too rude on this thread.
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a b U Graphics card
February 4, 2011 5:21:58 AM

I truly believe that misinformation is counterproductive to what we are trying to do here but I will keep my mouth shut about it and just ignore such remarks although I'm not sure why everyone is getting so bent out of shape about it, this is not the first occurrence of this but I apologize for taking the argument out of context.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
February 4, 2011 5:34:33 AM

I agree that misinformation that bad needs to be corrected. But while I was borderline at best about it, you crossed the line with such remarks. All we should really do is point out how he is wrong, provide a link if possible, and then ignore him from that point on.

I wonder if for repeat offenders we can convince Toms to remove his posts or delete the account?
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a b U Graphics card
February 4, 2011 2:16:00 PM

yeah I guess that's basically what I was trying to accomplish,I value the integrity of the posts on here and it has definatley been a repeat offense type of situation, that is the only reason I took it as far as I did bc this is like the 20th time ive seen something like this but next time I will follow the protocol of pointing it out then ignoring, let me know if there is anything that can be done further
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