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March 30, 2011 1:58:58 PM

My question is how is this setup for a new build that is a cheaper higher end pc with the ability to upgrade in future ? How will it preform gaming ? If you were to up grade anything first on this what would it be and why ? Thanks for all your help.


Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor (Model:BX80601960)
ASUS LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Motherboard (Model:p 6X58D-E)
MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Total of two units
G.SKILL PI 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Desktop Memory (Model:F3-12800CL6T-6GBPI)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (Model:ST31500341AS)
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Model:SGC-2000-KKN1-GP)
COOLER MASTER GX Series 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply (Model:RS650-ACAAE3-US)
March 30, 2011 3:14:23 PM

Now you can upgrade your cpu later on (22nm Ivy Bridge) and add another one of those vid cards for SLI.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=288 <----- i7 950 vs i5 2500K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Truepower-TP-750-BLUE-Manag... $89.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Antec Truepower 23754 TP-750 BLUE LED 750-Watt PSU NVIDIA SLI Certified 80 Plus Bronze Advanced Hybrid Cable Management Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $224.99 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-P67X4B3&tit... $153.99
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 B3 LGA1155/ Intel P67 B3/ DDR3/ Quad SLI & Quad CrossFireX/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $239.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=HD-HD103SJ&tit... $59.99 Free Shipping
Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SATA2 7200rpm 32MB Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $19.99
ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000116#axzz1... <---Review on that Asrock motherboard after the latest bios update

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg2/asrock-e... <---Review on that Asrock motherboard after the latest bios update

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4080/welcome-to-sandy-bri... <--- Review before the latest bios...and it still smoked the Asus and Gigabyte boards

http://www.asrock.com/news/events/201102ex/warranty.htm... <----- Asrock two year warranty
March 30, 2011 3:36:52 PM

I'm not sure what posting those items mean but I was asking how good are the items im getting for a high end gamming machine with upgrade ability for around $1000.
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March 30, 2011 3:44:27 PM

Rob306 said:
I'm not sure what posting those items mean but I was asking how good are the items im getting for a high end gamming machine with upgrade ability for around $1000.

I forgot to add the links...sorry about that. Check that post now. :) 
March 30, 2011 3:51:06 PM

Thanks (why_me) those items look great and it looks like they would preform greatly. The problem is that someone has ordered this items for men (they are already on their way to me) in my origional post and I'm not up to date to well on the latest computer stuff and was asking how they would fair as far as a cheaper high end gaming machine with the ability to upgrade greatly in future? The reviews on what you have posted are great though, thanks for that.
March 30, 2011 3:55:15 PM

Rob306 said:
Thanks (why_me) those items look great and it looks like they would preform greatly. The problem is that someone has ordered this items for men (they are already on their way to me) in my origional post and I'm not up to date to well on the latest computer stuff and was asking how they would fair as far as a cheaper high end gaming machine with the ability to upgrade greatly in future? The reviews on what you have posted are great though, thanks for that.

Usually people post on here before they order. That system of yours isn't bad at all but it's not the route most on here would go for the fact those vid cards are low end, there's no real upgrade path other than the cpu...and that's going to be major $$$, and that Seagate h/d is slow.
March 30, 2011 4:01:18 PM

So what your saying is I can upgrade to a better cpu, better graphics cards, and more ram, & better hard drives later, and the system overall right now isnt that bad?
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Rob306 said:
My question is how is this setup for a new build that is a cheaper higher end pc with the ability to upgrade in future ? How will it preform gaming ? If you were to up grade anything first on this what would it be and why ? Thanks for all your help.


Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor (Model:BX80601960)
ASUS LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Motherboard (Model:p 6X58D-E)
MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Total of two units
G.SKILL PI 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Desktop Memory (Model:F3-12800CL6T-6GBPI)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (Model:ST31500341AS)
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Model:SGC-2000-KKN1-GP)
COOLER MASTER GX Series 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply (Model:RS650-ACAAE3-US)

Solid build that will take you into the next 2 or 3 years of gaming with the exception of the video card and power supply.

The system will perform well for gaming after you upgrade the video card (which may require a PSU update). Is your plan to SLI the 450? If you're going to run at 1280x1024 resolution this should be fine. Or is your plan to get a higher-end video card some day (and then SLI that?)?

I would get more power if you plan to go with two high-end video cards in the future. 900W and above will allow you to SLI or Crossfire just about anything. If you start with more power now, you only have to upgrade the video in the future.
March 30, 2011 4:04:39 PM

Why_Me said:
Usually people post on here before they order...

Truth.
March 30, 2011 4:09:07 PM

I'm sry, because someone ordered for me first is it still ok to post here and ask if the items I'm getting are decent and have ability to upgrade in the future? Did I post in the wrong section to ask about hardware items?
March 30, 2011 4:15:08 PM

Hey ubercake, thanks for response, my plan in the future is to get the higest 6 core i7 cpu intel sells, 2 solid state hdd's, 2 top of the line or second to top of the line down running in SLI and 24 gb of ram. I could only afford a certian amount of money at the moment and wanted the ability to greatly upgrade into the future. I also in the future want a G-1 assassin gigabyte mother board.


The 2 low end vid cards above in my origional post are yes 2 of them and they are going to be running in SLI mode.
March 30, 2011 4:33:37 PM

Rob306 said:
Hey ubercake, thanks for response, my plan in the future is to get the higest 6 core i7 cpu intel sells, 2 solid state hdd's, 2 top of the line or second to top of the line down running in SLI and 24 gb of ram. I could only afford a certian amount of money at the moment and wanted the ability to greatly upgrade into the future. I also in the future want a G-1 killer gigabyte mother board.


The 2 low end vid cards above in my origional post are yes 2 of them and they are going to be running in SLI mode.

Hey no problem. You have a good foundation with definite upgrade options. You should get decent video performance at lower resolutions:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gts-450-sli-revie...
March 31, 2011 9:47:36 PM

First upgrade would be power supply to about 1200 watts but what brand and price is decent. Then would look to get a single high end graphics card that I could SLI in future but what card is good or great for the price ???? I also want to buy a corsair h70 water cooler and from what I understand the h50 is the same exact except that the h70 comes with another fan, I'm thinking I could put a second fan on the h50 cheaper ???? or is there a better cooler ? Any suggestions or help on these upgrades that I will be doing in the next 3 weeks to the above said system would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
April 1, 2011 12:18:01 PM

Rob306 said:
First upgrade would be power supply to about 1200 watts but what brand and price is decent. Then would look to get a single high end graphics card that I could SLI in future but what card is good or great for the price ???? I also want to buy a corsair h70 water cooler and from what I understand the h50 is the same exact except that the h70 comes with another fan, I'm thinking I could put a second fan on the h50 cheaper ???? or is there a better cooler ? Any suggestions or help on these upgrades that I will be doing in the next 3 weeks to the above said system would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

The one video card you want to go for is a 580. A 570 would be the next-best and it's a great card too.

You'll only need 1200 watts if you're going for 2 GTX 590s or 3 GTX 580s. Otherwise, if you're going to go for 2 580s at some point, a 900+ PSU will do what you need it to and keep your system running for years. With 2 570s, I'd recommend 800 or more watts. Modular supplies are good because they facilitate good airflow:

If you go with 2 580s:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you go with 2 570s:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, you might find room is tight with regard to the Storm Scout case and some video cards. Be sure the card you choose will fit.

The H50 really requires 2 fans to be effective. It will use one of your exhaust fan spots so plan accordingly. Corsair suggests pulling cool air into the case across the radiator, so the downside of using that cooler (or an H70 for that matter) is you'd only have a top exhaust. This may be enough. It's just something you have to mess with. Some people get better results turning the fans the other way and blowing the air out across the radiator. The H50 without a second fan only reduces the temp about 5C more than a stock cooler. I replaced the stock fan with 2 Xigmatek 1253 (green lights) in a push/pull configuration and this reduced temps another 8C. If you do this, I would recommend you use two fans of the same speed either way. I also removed the stock H50 thermal compound and used Arctic Silver 5. This was not worth it and made little to no difference in the temps (maybe 1C?). The stock thermal compound on the H50 is sufficient. What I do like about these coolers is they're lightweight and they're not very imposing like a 6" air cooler, though there are air coolers that will do a better job if you're looking to do some serious OC'ing.

One day we might need 24GB of RAM, though my guess is that's at least 5 or more years out. Your 6GB will be fine. If you're doing a lot of photo/video/audio work, you might need more 12GB, but you won't for gaming at this time.
April 1, 2011 12:31:09 PM

Socket 1366 was a mistake, u should have gone for 1155.
April 1, 2011 12:38:35 PM

Ten98 said:
Socket 1366 was a mistake, u should have gone for 1155.

Someone ordered the PC for Rob. He plans to upgrade the components. The 1366 platform is very relevant. Yes. There is newer tech (ie 1155) though there is no review out there that pits the 1366 vs 1155 with the same video cards and processors clocked to the same speed showing the 1155 is better.

Another thing to ask yourself is why review sites continue to do all their video card performance reviews on the 1366 platform when you know Intel is throwing the new stuff their way.

My 1366 "mistake" with 2 580s in SLI get the same darn performance listed in every video card review.

What are you running with Ten98?
April 1, 2011 1:22:30 PM

I'm still on my Q6600 but planning a new Sandy Bridge build soon.

The 1366 socket is ok, but the CPUs are overpriced compared to Sandy Bridge. The 2500K beats most 1366 CPUs hands-down, you have to spend $500+ to do better, more than double. Unless you're prepared to spend that much, your CPU upgrade options will be very limited in the future as the high end 1366 chips are keeping their value pretty well.

However, we're talking gaming here so it's allll about the GPU. Your CPU is pretty much irrelevant after a certain level. Your i7-930 with the same amount of RAM, same GPU, same OS and software will get the same framerates in Crysis 2 as my Q6600, or Rob's i7-960, or an i5-2500K, or even a crappy AMD quadcore.

You might see a couple of FPS here and there but there is certainly no significant difference between a $100 CPU and a $1000 CPU.
April 1, 2011 2:42:05 PM

Ten98 said:
I'm still on my Q6600 but planning a new Sandy Bridge build soon.

The 1366 socket is ok, but the CPUs are overpriced compared to Sandy Bridge. The 2500K beats most 1366 CPUs hands-down, you have to spend $500+ to do better, more than double. Unless you're prepared to spend that much, your CPU upgrade options will be very limited in the future as the high end 1366 chips are keeping their value pretty well.

However, we're talking gaming here so it's allll about the GPU. Your CPU is pretty much irrelevant after a certain level. Your i7-930 with the same amount of RAM, same GPU, same OS and software will get the same framerates in Crysis 2 as my Q6600, or Rob's i7-960, or an i5-2500K, or even a crappy AMD quadcore.

You might see a couple of FPS here and there but there is certainly no significant difference between a $100 CPU and a $1000 CPU.

I will not argue the 1155 processors offer exceptional performance for a great deal. When it comes to GHz and overclockability, you can't beat them. The 1366 platform is definitely no mistake, though.

From a pricing standpoint, I can get a 3.4GHz 2600k processor for $279 (I probably will pick one up soon as a matter of fact) and a 2500K 3.3GHz for $179 (microcenter pricing). From an all purpose standpoint, because there is no hyperthreading, I don't know if I would consider a 2500k, but it might serve the computing purposes of most users. Even most modern games take advantage of the additional concurrent processing hyperthreading offers. For example, BFBC2 will utilize 8 threads if they are available. So I wouldn't put the 2500K in a class similar to the 2600/K or 9xx series processors. Have you really seen a review by which they use new games and compare an i7-9xx to a i5 2500K processor with the same video card(s) anywhere? If so, let us all know.

I am finding the issue with the 1366 processors that you're mentioning. They are trying to sell them off (to get us ready for the LGA2011) and this is very advantageous to us consumers. Personally, I can find retail versions of the i7-950 for $199 and the i7-960 at $249 at my local microcenter. Even my 930 doesn't bottleneck any game at 1080p resolution with two GTX 580s. I have not played a game yet where I have to turn down the details/AA/AF/AA transparency. A 950 is a heck of a processor for under $200. Hell, I can't even upgrade my 775 machine to a decent quad-core CPU because they all seem to cost more than $300 these days and here I can start a 1366 build (processor and motherboard) for the same cost of a 775 quad-core processor. Talk about a bad upgrade path!?

To outright call getting a 1366 a mistake is a mistake. These processors will be set to rest toward the end of this year when we see the release of the LGA2011 platform. I would agree the time to upgrade the 1366 CPU (if you even need to?) would be prior to a year from now if you are going to upgrade a 1366 CPU. If you're running 1080p resolutions or higher with an i7-9xx series processor, you have a good video card setup, and you're playing newer game, you won't have to worry about bottlenecks in games for a few years before the software is going to start requiring more of you.
April 1, 2011 3:12:35 PM

I disagree.

1: It's a legacy socket which has been surpassed by socket 1155 and is due to be replaced by socket 2011.

2: If you're a gamer, you don't need the super-high end 6 core CPUs with Hyper-Threading that is the main benefit of 1366.

3: 1366 offer poor value for money when compared with 1155.

Any way you look at it, it's a mistake.

I'm not saying he has a bad machine, far from it, I'm just saying he didn't get good value for money and his motherboard's CPU socket is about to be discontinued.
April 1, 2011 4:13:28 PM

Ten98 said:
I disagree.

1: It's a legacy socket which has been surpassed by socket 1155 and is due to be replaced by socket 2011.

2: If you're a gamer, you don't need the super-high end 6 core CPUs with Hyper-Threading that is the main benefit of 1366.

3: 1366 offer poor value for money when compared with 1155.

Any way you look at it, it's a mistake.

I'm not saying he has a bad machine, far from it, I'm just saying he didn't get good value for money and his motherboard's CPU socket is about to be discontinued.

So let me ask you this, then....

How long ago did you buy your legacy socket 775 Q6600? 4 years ago (it was released Q1 of 2007)? Did you realize you can still buy socket 775 processors and motherboards?

If we go by that timetable, we should expect the i7-9xx series to continue selling at least until into Q4 of 2012.

And you're also saying an i7-950 at $199 is not a good deal. And an i5 2500k is a good deal because no one needs more than 4 non-hyperthreaded cores even though newer games are increasingly utilizing more cores (ie BFBC2 will use up to 8 threads)? With that kind of logic, I'd conclude it's a mistake, though my logic doesn't seem to follow the same path as yours.
April 1, 2011 6:31:33 PM

chmcke01 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/157?vs=288&i=2.3...

A benchmark comparison of the i7 970 and the 2500k.

The anandtech tool is novel, but doesn't compare apples to apples.

Regarding the games benchmarks, we don't even know if they're using the same video cards?

Even at that, in this comparison, we see the 2500k pull ahead in older games or those requiring fewer threads (anyone still playing L4D?). Though, in a game like Dragon Age Origins, the i7-970 pulls ahead. What's strange is, no matter whether you pick the 2500k or the 2600k, the numbers are close to the same or even lose a few fps with the 2600k? This is what makes me not put too much trust in a tool like this.

Also, all resolutions shown are 1600x1050? Even GPU benchmarks with the top GPUs rank lower at low resolutions.

I wish someone actually did a review though I wouldn't think Intel would want to "allow" such a comparison when they're trying to sell the new product.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see a real 1366 v 1155 comparison from review sites because Intel won't support it. If you're a review site, having Intel ticked at you can't be good for business.

Would be interesting though (without having to make the investment myself)?

April 2, 2011 12:34:30 AM

The thermal compound I intend to use is a compound from innovation cooling called IC diamond which has diamonds in it and are suppose to be better for heat dissipation.
April 2, 2011 12:47:59 AM

I wont be doing much more to this pc other then power supply, graphics cards, and big-foot killer 2100 network card, water cooling for minimal over-clocking and maybe doubling the memory to 12gb. Maybe 2 7200 rpm 250 gb hard drives running in raid 0 to speed load times of windows applications and games. But faster hard drives wont really help games all that much other then load times. Faster hard drive performance is designed for servers mostly IMO. That is the games that require load times after the initial load into the memory. The speed and amount of memory is of greater importance when it comes to games. My main and just about only game I play everday is BFBC2 and I'm looking forward greatly to BF3 ;)  I do want and will most likely install the NZXT Sentry LX Dual Bay Aluminum Fan Controller. One cause I like cosmetics as much as hardware. But mainly cause I just like the way it looks. http://www.xoxide.com/nzxt-sentrylx-fancontroller.html
April 2, 2011 1:08:42 AM

This is my very first pc build. I wanted to do it to save money and IMO I have already greatly. I went into 2 different BB stores near me the other day and asked them what desktops they have with intel core i7 cpu's in them and they had none. He said they have one laptop with a i7 cpu and I said what do you have for cpu's in the desktops your selling. He said amd 4 core cpus and had one phenom 6 core. I checked passmarks higher end cpu benchmarks chart site and the 6 core phenom dosent even come close to intels 4 cores. The i5 2500k is just above my i7 960 and I'm able to jump to a 6 core if I want to. Again its just my first pc build so I was looking at DIY combos that had upgrade ability into the future somewhat for the right price for me at the moment. I did have my eyes set on the sandy bridge i7 2600k which has graphics right in the cpu itself but there are 2 ways to set that cpu up in the bios as to the results u want to get for what you are doing. Those chips to me are designed for and at (towards) graphic designers people that work in movies and create games. Again I'm not all that knowledgable in all this stuff only what I hear from experts and read, as I am learning. But I love discussing this stuff, asking questions and learning more about all of it. Thats why I'm here asking questions. I'm not an expert. I dont need more then 2 and half years and within the next year I will have built a machine that is double this. But this machine will still be most likely beating desktops sold for $1000 in a retail store in 2 and half years from now lol. Anyways by building my own for $1000 as opposed to going to B. Buy to buy one. The $1000 one I'm building beats the highest priced pc they have on the shelf right now. So I'm already way ahead for a lot less to start off with. My Intel Core i7 960 4 core cpu @ 3.20GHz beats the AMD Phenom II X6 1100T by 375 benchmark points. The i5 2500k beats my i7 960 by 88 points and I'm able to upgrade to a 6 core extreme with hyper-threading on the 1366 socket. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
April 2, 2011 1:23:13 AM

Everyone has their opinions and rightfully so but I'm looking at speed and efficiency for the right price (value). Thats why I'm here asking questions and looking for input. Otherwise I would just start off with Intel Xeon W3690 @ 3.47GHz and there is no argument lol. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
April 2, 2011 2:09:17 AM

On a side note I am currently running BFBC2 on a compaq presario cq62 which has 250 gb hd 3gb of ram of which the ati mobility radeon HD 4250 is using some of that ram. The cpu is AMD Athlon (tm) II P320 Dual Core P @ 2.10 Ghz. To say I'm running slow is an understatement lol. I'm getting my rear end handed to me. So will I see a difference with my i7 960 with 2 MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5 running in SLI mode and 6gb of DDR 3 G. Skill ram. Since its newer I would have to say so but will it have a wow effect on me? I can only ask you guys who are running the game with machines better then my compaq presario cq62 which the game wont run at all with any settings above uber low including sound lol. Plus I have had to majorly tweak windows 7, the game itself and other things just to get it to run. Its amazing that I can even get in there and hit something at all. Its sorta like hey there is a guy behind you (on my end with my compaq) when my teammate already died from the guy behind him and re-spawned somewhere else and they are wondering what I'm talking about lol. I do know this, from the argument of i5 2500k and the i7 960 u got me beat in game by a few ms in game in BFBC2 IF we both run everything on high. Now does a ms make a difference in online gaming. YES WITHOUT QUESTION IT DOES. Its the difference in registering of whos bullet get hit by who first and every mili second counts. So if I run everything on high in the beginning and get all my uuuuuu's and ahhhhhh's out of the way and then tweak the resolution back 2 or 3 and run off a big foot killer 2100 network card, and turn down my AF and AA a few from you while you keep everything on high. Then I think that one ms goes to me ;)  Thats assuming that we both have the same upload and download bandwidth and are same distance from server with same ping ;)  To realise the value of ONE SECOND, ask the person who just avoided an accident. To realise the value of ONE MILLISECOND, ask the athlete who won a silver medal in the Olympics. Which is why steroids are so appealing to athletes. They can achieve that millisecond and gain greatly financially and popularity wise at the POSSIBLE expense of ruined reputation later on. Notice I said POSSIBLE. They may or may not get caught, but they still get the money if they achieve now. Not condoning it just saying thats why its such a temptation and appeals to them especially if they couldn't have achieved that millisecond no matter how hard they tried without the roids. Well thats the power of the millisecond when it comes down to it and that power is great. Its all about speed and power (speed is power). Now back to help with that speed for the right price in a budget.
April 2, 2011 1:26:17 PM

Right now I'm getting between 16 and 18 fps on my ati mobility radeon HD 4250 lol
April 2, 2011 2:19:12 PM

ubercake said:
So let me ask you this, then....

How long ago did you buy your legacy socket 775 Q6600? 4 years ago (it was released Q1 of 2007)? Did you realize you can still buy socket 775 processors and motherboards?


Sure. When I bought it, it was the right chip to buy, there was nothing better on the market at my price point. Buying a 775 motherboard and a Q6600 today would be a mistake, since you can get a 1155 mobo and a 2500K for not much more, and the PC would be a buttload faster and have way better features.

I do see what you're saying, and I don't expect 1366 processors to vanish overnight just because Intel stop making the chipset, but they certainly won't be mainstream any more.

ubercake said:
And you're also saying an i7-950 at $199 is not a good deal. And an i5 2500k is a good deal because no one needs more than 4 non-hyperthreaded cores even though newer games are increasingly utilizing more cores (ie BFBC2 will use up to 8 threads)? With that kind of logic, I'd conclude it's a mistake, though my logic doesn't seem to follow the same path as yours.


I'm not sure that your 4 virtual Hyper-Threaded cores will actually be useful in BFBC2 or not. Most gamers disable Hyper-Threading as it does nothing in games, and in some games can slow things down. Maybe it could take advantage of a 990X with 6 physical cores, but that's megabux. I think for games, 4 cores will be plenty for the forseeable future.

The i7-950 at $199 *is* a pretty good deal, but when you take into account the fact that 1366 motherboards are more expensive, and you'd have to get a 6GB triple-channel RAM kit, it works out as worse value than a 2500K on an H67 board with 4GB of RAM, and you get a slower PC.
April 2, 2011 2:38:03 PM

ubercake said:
The anandtech tool is novel, but doesn't compare apples to apples.

Regarding the games benchmarks, we don't even know if they're using the same video cards?


It's Anandtech, you can safely assume they would'not make such a basic mistake as using different video cards.

ubercake said:

Even at that, in this comparison, we see the 2500k pull ahead in older games or those requiring fewer threads (anyone still playing L4D?). Though, in a game like Dragon Age Origins, the i7-970 pulls ahead. What's strange is, no matter whether you pick the 2500k or the 2600k, the numbers are close to the same or even lose a few fps with the 2600k? This is what makes me not put too much trust in a tool like this.


Not strange at all, the 2600k has hyper threading, which sometimes slows down games. What this benchmark shows is that the $200 2500K is as good or better than the $600 i7-970 in almost every benchmark. You can't say it would not be a mistake to pick the i7-950 can you?

ubercake said:

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll see a real 1366 v 1155 comparison from review sites because Intel won't support it. If you're a review site, having Intel ticked at you can't be good for business.


There's plenty of comparisons out there already man. You just choose to ignore them because they show you what you don't want to see, which is that in games, the 2500K blows pretty much every 1366 CPU out of the water for a fraction of the cost.
April 2, 2011 8:25:02 PM

i7 JUST SAY IT & 88 BENCHMARK POINTS ISNT BLOWING A 960 OUT OF THE WATER BUT IF IT MAKES U FEEL GOOD & WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE I2500K HMMM. WE KNOW ONE THING IS FOR SURE THE COMPARISON U GAVE US DIDNT HAVE A TEST WITH HYPER THREADING LOL. GG
April 2, 2011 8:46:57 PM

Rob306 said:
i7 JUST SAY IT & 88 BENCHMARK POINTS ISNT BLOWING A 960 OUT OF THE WATER BUT IF IT MAKES U FEEL GOOD & WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE I2500K HMMM. WE KNOW ONE THING IS FOR SURE THE COMPARISON U GAVE US DIDNT HAVE A TEST WITH HYPER THREADING LOL. GG

Hyper threading for a gaming build isn't where it's at. And if a person did have programs that utilize hyper threading than the 2600K would be a choice to consider imo. The 1336 socket is going to be phased out for these 1155 sockets. Proof of that is that peeps with P67 boards will be able to run Intels new 22nm Ivy Bridge cpu's with a simple bios flash. Those cpu's are rumored to o/c @ 6.0ghz.
April 2, 2011 9:00:00 PM

We have gone straight to the rumors now. Sounds to me like a older AMD guy when AMD was barely competitive and now actually is getting blown out of the water. Rumor has it your German and your from Missouri, one thing is for sure a drowning victim will always reach out for whatever he can to survive. I don't know all that much but I do know us New Yorkers got big mouths lol. I do know that I didn't want this thread to turn into this nonsense and I know for a fact that your one of those people who just likes to argue. lol Mathematically there is a 67% chance there is a God with hyper threading ;) 
April 2, 2011 9:19:18 PM

Rob306 said:
We have gone straight to the rumors now. Sounds to me like a older AMD guy when AMD was barely competitive and now actually is getting blown out of the water. Rumor has it your German and your from Missouri, one thing is for sure a drowning victim will always reach out for whatever he can to survive. I don't know all that much but I do know us New Yorkers got big mouths lol. I do know that I didn't want this thread to turn into this nonsense and I know for a fact that your one of those people who just likes to argue. lol Mathematically there is a 67% chance there is a God with hyper threading ;) 

Not sure where you got all that. I'm not the one who posted a 1336 build on here and asked how good for gaming it would be when said person could have just googled the benchmarks. I haven't owned an AMD since the first release of the C2D....I go with what's best atm. I understand someone else ordered that build for you. Like I posted earlier on this thread, the intelligent person post on here before they order. Like I said, the 1155 sockets will be compatible with the new 22nm Ivy Bridge cpu's....which amounts to the death nell of the 1336 sockets. No biggy though seeing how the 1155 Sandy Bridge cpu's pretty much put the nail in the coffin in regards to 1336 builds in regards to gaming builds.

You can analyze this post now and see what you get out of that.
April 2, 2011 10:01:57 PM

I get that your a winner lol. Your inability to read through the entire post caused you to pipe in with what you couldn't wait to get into a post lol. Just cause generally people post here before they buy doesn't mean people wont post here to ask about what they have got. Thats where reading comes in. lol If you had read carefully first I was asking how good was what I had gotten not whats good. Again if your going to be a good forum guru you must first learn to read the posts first. Its ok though there are at least a few of you on every forum who turn everything into an argument, so its expected and funny actually lol. Again it was purchased for me and I was merely asking what I got not whats better lol
April 2, 2011 10:56:57 PM

Effectively we could delete all your posts on this thread and it would make alot more sense. Since you havent really effectively answered any of my questions to start with. Ubercake did!!! All you did was interject with a cpu and socket your fixated on which essentially has nothing to do with what I asked. How good was what I had gotten? Not a comparison if I would have wanted a comparison I could have went to a benchmark site like passmark before I came here which is what I did do ;) . I then asked how well you can upgrade with it. I then asked what would be the first thing to upgrade on it. Look were all in sales everyday. If nothing else we sell ourselves everyday. If I was going to listen to someone by doing research I would have to say that ubercake effectively answered all of my questions based on what I asked cause he read and listened. I'm not sure what you did at all in this thread. On a side note in order for a forum to survive you will constantly need people coming to it to learn and communicate on a non aggrivating level. You do this by not adding your 2 sense, reading and listening to your customers or community members (who without you wouldn't be here) and effectively answering what they asked. Thanks Ubercake
April 3, 2011 1:03:24 AM

Rob306 said:
Effectively we could delete all your posts on this thread and it would make alot more sense. Since you havent really effectively answered any of my questions to start with. Ubercake did!!! All you did was interject with a cpu and socket your fixated on which essentially has nothing to do with what I asked. How good was what I had gotten? Not a comparison if I would have wanted a comparison I could have went to a benchmark site like passmark before I came here which is what I did do ;) . I then asked how well you can upgrade with it. I then asked what would be the first thing to upgrade on it. Look were all in sales everyday. If nothing else we sell ourselves everyday. If I was going to listen to someone by doing research I would have to say that ubercake effectively answered all of my questions based on what I asked cause he read and listened. I'm not sure what you did at all in this thread. On a side note in order for a forum to survive you will constantly need people coming to it to learn and communicate on a non aggrivating level. You do this by not adding your 2 sense, reading and listening to your customers or community members (who without you wouldn't be here) and effectively answering what they asked. Thanks Ubercake


So what your really saying is that you just wanted people to see what other people thought of your build AFTER you had already purchased it? Whats the point of that? The point of the New Build section is to get advice on what to get and to seek help if you face problems from a new build.

Plus, you did not clearly say in your first post that some of the parts had already been purchased. So, to a logical person reading your first post it would appear that you had made a list of the build you were thinking about and wanted advice about what should be changed. The fact is that socket 1366 IS being phased out. So, as per your question, that severely limits the upgrade-ability of the CPU. Yes, you can upgrade the CPU, but to get one thats enough better than the one you have to merit upgrading you would need to spend a fortune. So I guess you just don't like money or something.

As to the rest of it, nearly everything can be upgraded. You could max out the RAM that the motherboard allows, you could add an SSD for your OS and programs. Theres always going to be a newer and better video card just around the corner so thats upgradeable too. I just have to say though, I don't really see the point in your post.

You may not like to hear it, but the fact is that you asked for advice about your build. You wanted OPINIONS on the subject, otherwise you would have just Googled it. So, it is my opinion that you paid too much for what you are getting. A $1000 1155 build would be better and more "future-proof" than a $1000 1366 build. Yes, your build the way you have it is upgradeable but you can expect to drop about a grand if you want to upgrade the processor. The rest of the build is just as upgradeable as any other. Max out RAM, add an SSD (PCIe SSDs are better IMO), you could buy a bigger/faster HDD, upgrade the GPU(s), swap out to a better case, etc.
April 3, 2011 3:16:41 AM

"So, to a logical person reading your first post it would appear that you had made a list of the build you were thinking about and wanted advice about what should be changed." ITS NEVER LOGICAL TO ASSUME ANYTHING, AGAIN READ MY FIRST POSTS AND EVEN AFTER THE FIRST RESPONSE OFF TOPIC I CLARIFIED MY FIRST POST. AGAIN WHEN IS IT LOGICAL TO ASSUME ???? THE ANSWER CLEARLY IS NEVER. UBERCAKE HAD NO PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE THREAD WAS ABOUT CAUSE HE DIDN'T ASSUME AND HE CLEARLY HAS THE ABILITY TO READ BEFORE RESPONDING. LOL
April 3, 2011 12:26:48 PM

Ten98 said:
Sure. When I bought it, it was the right chip to buy, there was nothing better on the market at my price point. Buying a 775 motherboard and a Q6600 today would be a mistake, since you can get a 1155 mobo and a 2500K for not much more, and the PC would be a buttload faster and have way better features.

I do see what you're saying, and I don't expect 1366 processors to vanish overnight just because Intel stop making the chipset, but they certainly won't be mainstream any more.



I'm not sure that your 4 virtual Hyper-Threaded cores will actually be useful in BFBC2 or not. Most gamers disable Hyper-Threading as it does nothing in games, and in some games can slow things down. Maybe it could take advantage of a 990X with 6 physical cores, but that's megabux. I think for games, 4 cores will be plenty for the forseeable future.

The i7-950 at $199 *is* a pretty good deal, but when you take into account the fact that 1366 motherboards are more expensive, and you'd have to get a 6GB triple-channel RAM kit, it works out as worse value than a 2500K on an H67 board with 4GB of RAM, and you get a slower PC.


The amount of parallel processing required by BFBC2 makes hyperthreading a good thing to keep on. Newer titles take advantage of more available cores and threads.

1366 boards are not more expensive. When you consider those with the same available PCIe lanes on an 1155, it's a wash. A P67 board inherently has less available PCI lanes. Some of the cheaper 1155 motherboards allow worthless combinations for SLI or crossfire video (ie 16x/4x). Why on earth would you strip PCI lanes from the spec of a "superior" chipset architecture?

The CPU might be newer, faster and easier to overclock, but I definitely have my doubts about the initial architectural offering on which it is mounted.
April 3, 2011 12:56:37 PM

Ten98 said:
It's Anandtech, you can safely assume they would'not make such a basic mistake as using different video cards.



Not strange at all, the 2600k has hyper threading, which sometimes slows down games. What this benchmark shows is that the $200 2500K is as good or better than the $600 i7-970 in almost every benchmark. You can't say it would not be a mistake to pick the i7-950 can you?



There's plenty of comparisons out there already man. You just choose to ignore them because they show you what you don't want to see, which is that in games, the 2500K blows pretty much every 1366 CPU out of the water for a fraction of the cost.

Regarding the Anandtech "comparison" tool - How can they use the same video card and make the same comparison on the two CPUs at the link:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=41

Though that particular CPU comparison is irrelevant, do you honestly think they used the same video cards to get those framerates for Far Cry 2 (and why is everything compared at 1680x1050???)? Again, it's a novel tool, but I would not put much faith in it. There is no explanation to go along with the numbers that tell us we're comparing the same things, while only varying the CPUs in question.

Hyperthreading- Turning this off is advantageous when running older titles. More and more newer titles (ie BFBC2) will utilize all available threads due to the amount of parallel processing required. As a side note, turning hyperthreading off allows higher OC's because there's an expense of around 10C by having it turned on.

Price- I can grab an i7-950 for $199. A new i5 2500K is $179. I guess you're right about the fraction of the cost (~9/10), but then I have to spend $300 or more on an 1155 board that will let me run 3-way SLI or crossfire, whereas you can get this on an X58 board for $200.

The intention was for the 1155 processors to take the place of the 1156s. Anyone with an i7-750 mad about 1556s being shoved to the side after only a year or existence?

Later this year, we'll see the real replacement for the 1366 and the X58 chipset. That's the LGA 2011 processor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2011

I don't think 1366 or the 1155 is a mistake if you're buying today. Both will be eclipsed by the LGA 2011 but still able to run newer titles for the next 2-3 years without problems.
April 3, 2011 1:43:33 PM

Rob306 said:
"So, to a logical person reading your first post it would appear that you had made a list of the build you were thinking about and wanted advice about what should be changed." ITS NEVER LOGICAL TO ASSUME ANYTHING, AGAIN READ MY FIRST POSTS AND EVEN AFTER THE FIRST RESPONSE OFF TOPIC I CLARIFIED MY FIRST POST. AGAIN WHEN IS IT LOGICAL TO ASSUME ???? THE ANSWER CLEARLY IS NEVER. UBERCAKE HAD NO PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE THREAD WAS ABOUT CAUSE HE DIDN'T ASSUME AND HE CLEARLY HAS THE ABILITY TO READ BEFORE RESPONDING. LOL


The thing is that it only took 30 seconds on Newegg and common sense to know what is and isn't upgradeable. The only upgrades that are really motherboard specific are RAM (dual vs triple channel), the number of PCIe slots (for crossfire or SLI), and obviously the processor.

So, the LOGICAL person would ASSUME that nobody would bother asking such a stupid question. So, then we figure "surely he wants advice on what parts to use." If you can't find out with a quick Newegg search how upgradeable your system will be then you really have no business building a computer.

It's like a forum I saw a while back on overclocking where a noob asked for advice on how to overclock. Someone replied back saying to go into BIOS... Then the guy asked "what's BIOS?" If you don't even know what BIOS is then you have no business overclocking.
April 4, 2011 10:36:03 AM

Lets look at logic, 1155 socket with no real definitive direction as to where tech might go in the future and could change at any moment. 1155 socket, cheaper boards no SLI support more expensive ones yes. Double channel support no triple channel. Memory is huge for gamers. NO HYPER-THREADING AT ALL WHATSOEVER LOL. The best proc for 1155 is i5 4 core 2500k non hyper threading. Hmmmm its pretty clear that the value is in the 1366 socket mobo's and proc's at the moment. Hardware tech has advanced far ahead of software at the moment that software is playing catch-up. Once it does the benchmarks will present a much clearer picture. LOGICALLY The comparison you sent the i7 960 gets better FPS in Crysis which is the difference between killing or getting killed easily. Plus why is test done on Crysis when there are games that are way more graphic intesive then that. Unless of course logically there is no comparison. TKS FOR ALL THE HELP UBERCAKE APPRECIATE IT.
April 4, 2011 10:53:10 AM

Rob306 said:
Lets look at logic, 1155 socket with no real definitive direction as to where tech might go in the future and could change at any moment. 1155 socket, cheaper boards no SLI support more expensive ones yes. Double channel support no triple channel. Memory is huge for gamers. NO HYPER-THREADING AT ALL WHATSOEVER LOL. The best proc for 1155 is i5 4 core 2500k non hyper threading. Hmmmm its pretty clear that the value is in the 1366 socket mobo's and proc's at the moment. Hardware tech has advanced far ahead of software at the moment that software is playing catch-up. Once it does the benchmarks will present a much clearer picture. LOGICALLY The comparison you sent the i7 960 gets better FPS in Crysis which is the difference between killing or getting killed easily. Plus why is test done on Crysis when there are games that are way more graphic intesive then that. Unless of course logically there is no comparison. TKS FOR ALL THE HELP UBERCAKE APPRECIATE IT.


What about the i7 2600k? That has 4 physical cores, 8 logical cores, and has hyper threading. Its pretty clear that you are just pretending to know what you are talking about, and doing a pretty poor job of it at that.
April 4, 2011 11:19:06 AM

chmcke01 said:
What about the i7 2600k? That has 4 physical cores, 8 logical cores, and has hyper threading. Its pretty clear that you are just pretending to know what you are talking about, and doing a pretty poor job of it at that.

1155 is the 1156 of 2011. It's new, though Intel will replace it by next year. They may continue to push the same or better Sandy Bridge CPUs within the next year, but I doubt P67 will be a lasting chipset. 1156s (P55s) came out last year and were said to be the best thing since sliced bread and after a few months review sites quickly went back to the 1366 due to limitations with the chipset (not the processor, mind you). We're seeing good Intel marketing in action once again as we are seeing the review sites continue to use the 1366 for gaming/videocard benchmarks in most cases.

SandyBridge-Ex is right around the corner, thought the LGA 2011 will replace the 1366, have a quad-channel memory interface, and be the next enthusiast-level CPU as Intel still considers the socket 1366 their enthusiast-level processor. Either way both the SandyBridge-Ex and LGA 2011 are set to release toward the end of 2011.

Anyone planning on considering an 1155 as an upgrade should wait about 8 months.
April 4, 2011 11:30:51 AM

ubercake said:
1155 is the 1156 of 2011. It's new, though Intel will replace it by next year. They may continue to push the same or better Sandy Bridge CPUs within the next year, but I doubt P67 will be a lasting chipset. 1156s (P55s) came out last year and were said to be the best thing since sliced bread and after a few months review sites quickly went back to the 1366 due to limitations with the chipset (not the processor, mind you). We're seeing good Intel marketing in action once again as we are seeing the review sites continue to use the 1366 for gaming/videocard benchmarks in most cases.

SandyBridge-Ex is right around the corner, thought the LGA 2011 will replace the 1366, have a quad-channel memory interface, and be the next enthusiast-level CPU as Intel still considers the socket 1366 their enthusiast-level processor. Either way both the SandyBridge-Ex and LGA 2011 are set to release toward the end of 2011.

Anyone planning on considering an 1155 as an upgrade should wait about 8 months.


Each person can have their own opinion, but it is mine that the 1155 has a longer remaining life than the 1366. I am in no way saying that 1366 is bad, I am just saying that what you get for what you pay is much worse than for an 1155 build right now. As I said earlier, if you had $1000 to build the best 1366 build you could, and you had $1000 to build the best 1155 build you could, the 1155 build would be better.

The 1366 still has its uses, particularly if you are looking for a super high end 6 core processor, the 1366 is the way to go. However, for gaming and everyday use, the 1155 IS the better choice.
April 4, 2011 3:08:28 PM

chmcke01 said:
Each person can have their own opinion, but it is mine that the 1155 has a longer remaining life than the 1366. I am in no way saying that 1366 is bad, I am just saying that what you get for what you pay is much worse than for an 1155 build right now. As I said earlier, if you had $1000 to build the best 1366 build you could, and you had $1000 to build the best 1155 build you could, the 1155 build would be better.

The 1366 still has its uses, particularly if you are looking for a super high end 6 core processor, the 1366 is the way to go. However, for gaming and everyday use, the 1155 IS the better choice.

+1
April 20, 2011 5:45:05 PM

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