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$3500 Mostly Gaming PC

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April 2, 2011 1:24:55 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 3 weeks.

Budget Range: $3000 - $3500


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, movies, surfing the internet and so on.


Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS.


Preferred Website for Parts: http://www.newegg.com


Country of Origin: Denmark


Parts Preferences:

ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0)

Intel Core i7-2600K

GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti --> If I'm going SLi.

OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G 2.5" 240GB SATA II SSD

Corsair Dominator GT 2x4GB

Corsair Graphite 600T

CoolerMaster Silent Pro Gold 1000W

Seagate Constellation ES 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"


Overclocking: Probably


SLI or Crossfire: Probably


Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050 - this is something I'm already looking into.

Additional Comments:

It's all about performance, but I strive towards a quiet PC.
Also I was looking at Thermalrights Silver Arrow, but as far as I can tell it wouldn't fit?
Should I get a soundcard aswell? And what about a gaming-NIC?
It's not that I'm simply looking to throw money away on unneeded/overkill hardware, I'm just trying to futureproof it a bit.

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April 2, 2011 1:53:03 AM

I'm finding it hard to spend that kinda money..... Here's a $3000 build w/ 120 MHz monitor, 3D vision and everything else I could think of :) 

Case - $140 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - $8 - Antec Red 120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $110 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $260 - ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $329 - Intel Core i5-2600K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $70 - Antec Kuhler 620 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $145 - (2 x 4GB) Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $265 - Asus GTX 560 Factory Overclocked http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $265 - Same
HD - $170 - Seagate Barracuda XT 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $300 - OCZ Vertex 3 2.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $90 - Plextor BR Combo Drive w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Card Reader $55 55 in 1 Card Reader http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $140 - Win 7-64 Pro OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $350 - Acer GD235H23.6" 2ms 120Hz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $106 - Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $54 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3D Vision $150 NVidia Starcraft Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cost $3,012 w/o any combo discounts

Had this handy cause just finished putting this build together for one of my son's friends.

Case / PSU was my recommendation .... I can almost do builds with this case in my sleep now. HAF-X is nice too but takes me a little longer. PSU, as jonnyguru says :

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

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It is completely unmatched by any ATX unit on the market I can think of. You'd have to spend twice as much as this thing costs to find the next best thing, performance wise.


MoBo / CPU - The revolution lets both GFX cards run at x16 x16 as opposed to x8 x8 which you'll see on most boards. You have the cash, so take the 2600k over the 2500k

Cooler -- I'm not quite sold on the "faux water coolers" but owner of this box wanted to go that way. This is the best of the bunch.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

GFX - I agree, the 560 GTX (factory OC'd versions) are the best bang for the buck at this time:

The factory OC'd 560 Ti's perform very close to the 570's and can be further OC's to 1000MHz w/o issue. Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game) for the various options (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below

6950 (479/751)
560 Ti (455/792)
6970 (526/825)
560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862)
570 (524/873)
580 (616/953)
6990 (762/903)
590 (881/982)

SSD / HD - You got the cash, so why not the best .... The XT is very fast and while the SATA III interface won't help with ripping data of the drive, this drive is very fast. Transfers from cache will go at SATA III speeds tho. The SSD is the current king of the hill .... or at least will be as soon as newegg starts shipping them :) 

Optical - Blue Ray's a given in this price range.

Monitor - Had too much money left so threw in a 120 Hz monitor and 3D glasses

Card Reader - Again, with all that money left, added some convenience and bling to the build.

Ya could go to 570's but I really don't see it for a boost of 11 fps. The 6990 and 590 only make sense for single slot boards. That leaves the 580's ...

Ya will need to up the PSU to the CP-1000 for an extra $40 plus another $500 for the GFX

As for ya questions / comments:

Quote:
It's all about performance, but I strive towards a quiet PC.


The DF-85's fans are all adjustable and it runs very quiet. The CP-850 is the quietest PSU I have used .... a observation that jonnyguru and silentpcreview.com made much of.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

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Also I was looking at Thermalrights Silver Arrow, but as far as I can tell it wouldn't fit?


Great Cooler ... current "king of the hill" and fits in the DF-85
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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Should I get a soundcard aswell? And what about a gaming-NIC?


If ya conenct a $1,000 speaker system, consider a hi-end sound card.

Quote:
It's not that I'm simply looking to throw money away on unneeded/overkill hardware, I'm just trying to futureproof it a bit.


I have some frills in there ... if ya don't need it, don't get it.

April 4, 2011 9:46:29 PM

Thank you very much for your reply JackNaylorPE, there was a lot of good stuff in there.

I still have a questions regarding this build:

How big a difference does x16 x16 do as opposed to x8 x8? I was under the impression that it wasnt noticable?

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April 5, 2011 1:14:38 AM

Its not. Maybe 5% performance hit max....
April 5, 2011 4:24:10 PM

With 560Ti's I doubt it would be even that big a hit. If you start SLIing 580s you might see a 5% hit if that.

Drop down to Asus P8P67 Pro and save $80
Drop your storage drive to 1TB and either - (A) Save $100 or (B) Save $40 and set em up in RAID 0. In my opinion 2TB internal hard drive is excessive unless you're doing a home theater build.
It's tough to argue with the SSD because it's awesome, and with your $3000 budget it certainly fits, but that would be the first thing to K.O. on a less expensive build.

Save some of that money and double up on the monitors, either 200-250 for a 23 or 24" LED or 200 - 250 for 26-27" LCD 1080p. Get a nice matched pair and you can Game + Movie + Surf the 'Net + So On all at the same time.
April 5, 2011 6:56:29 PM

XXF said:
With 560Ti's I doubt it would be even that big a hit. If you start SLIing 580s you might see a 5% hit if that.

Drop down to Asus P8P67 Pro and save $80
Drop your storage drive to 1TB and either - (A) Save $100 or (B) Save $40 and set em up in RAID 0. In my opinion 2TB internal hard drive is excessive unless you're doing a home theater build.
It's tough to argue with the SSD because it's awesome, and with your $3000 budget it certainly fits, but that would be the first thing to K.O. on a less expensive build.

Save some of that money and double up on the monitors, either 200-250 for a 23 or 24" LED or 200 - 250 for 26-27" LCD 1080p. Get a nice matched pair and you can Game + Movie + Surf the 'Net + So On all at the same time.


Going dual monitors wasnt something I had considered, that might actually be a pretty damn good idea!
Would dropping down from Deluxe to Pro just be to save money or is there simply no difference worth paying for?

Regarding a smaller HDD and running it RAID 0 with the SSD, I just don't know... Would the gain be significant enough?
I will kinda be using it as a home theater aswell, but not in any exclusive way.
April 5, 2011 6:59:07 PM

Also is SLI worth it? Or would I be better off just buying a higher tier single card?
I would greatly appriciate some feedback on that question, even if it's down to personal oppinions.
April 5, 2011 8:19:04 PM

SLI 560Tis will perform slightly better than a single 580, but the single 580 gives the option to upgrade in the future. I would go 580, thinking it gives me the option to upgrade two years down the line without needing to scrap the whole build. At the same time 2 560s will last a while. I know I'm waffling on this, but bottom line I would go one 580 over SLI 560s.

If you're going to be putting lots of movies and music on this computer maybe a 2TB drive would be used, but even then you might want to consider a RAID 1 which could withstand the failure of one of the drives. Honestly both RAID and 2 TB drives are just ways to dig into that generous budget that you're using, a 1TB storage drive is sufficient for just about anyone and you can add more storage capacity as you go without too much difficulty.

The Deluxe mobo has some nice little things like additional USB 3.0 ports and a x4 PCI 2.0 slot outside of the x8/x8 slots plus an additional SATA III port, but the vast majority of people won't need those further attributes beyond the Pro version.

P.S. Dual monitors are good.
April 5, 2011 9:54:32 PM

I'd downgrade your CPU to a i5-2500K. Clock is practically the same as that i7 and its over a hundred bucks cheaper. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think spending that 100bucks on a better GPU will get you more of your money's worth.

Also, with that budget, I don't see any reason to go with anything less than a GTX580 or a HD6970 (Which ever ATI's flagship single gpu video card is ). If you want, id even consider a 6990 or a GTX590...and you'll never really have to worry about upgrades for games. Those GPU's will devour practically any game right now at ridiculous resolutions.

Get the OCZ Vertex 3 SATA II. Come in 120, 240, and 480GB....no need for SATA II.

And lastly, I really don't have anything against a CM PSU, but for a PC like this, you should go over the top for an exceptionally high quality PSU. Which means Corsair, seasonic, PC Power/Cooling...etc.
April 6, 2011 12:35:13 AM

blackhawk1928 said:
Also, with that budget, I don't see any reason to go with anything less than a GTX580 or a HD6970 (Which ever ATI's flagship single gpu video card is ). If you want, id even consider a 6990 or a GTX590...and you'll never really have to worry about upgrades for games. Those GPU's will devour practically any game right now at ridiculous resolutions.


Even an OC'ed 560?

blackhawk1928 said:
Get the OCZ Vertex 3 SATA II. Come in 120, 240, and 480GB....no need for SATA II.


"...no need for SATA II" Isnt the OCZ Vertex 3 SATA II a SATA II?

blackhawk1928 said:
And lastly, I really don't have anything against a CM PSU, but for a PC like this, you should go over the top for an exceptionally high quality PSU. Which means Corsair, seasonic, PC Power/Cooling...etc.


Is that just to avoid a situation where the PSU might light the whole thing on fire or?
April 6, 2011 7:49:52 PM

IlHansenIl said:
Even an OC'ed 560?



"...no need for SATA II" Isnt the OCZ Vertex 3 SATA II a SATA II?



Is that just to avoid a situation where the PSU might light the whole thing on fire or?


My mistake, i meant the OCZ Vertex Sata III, the II was my mistake :) .

And PSU isn't to a avoid a fire, its prevent the PSU from going down and breaking everything else in your PC also. A quality PSU will be safer for your components.
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