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March 8, 2012 7:02:18 PM

Hi there, this will be a quick question :) .

Back in 2010 I bought a HP 190t pavillion computer with the i7 980x inside. It's been a rocking computer but my error in buying a OEM computer has caught up to me with the slow death of the 1366 socket motherboard. I have this thing loaded with 24GB of Ram and I have no complaints about it so far but I can't help but see in the near future the need to buy a new motherboard that will let me overclock this CPU and squeeze another year or two out of it. Of course I suppose I could just upgrade to the next socket in a year as well but then it's all a time game.

That being said, is there anything out there saying when the 1366 will stop being carried in online retailers? The mom and pop shops near my home already don't have anything for that socket.

-Rob

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a b V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 7:12:14 PM

Mom and pop shops probably wouldn't carry much with 1366 anyway due to the lack of compatibility with current Intel offerings.

Also, I would bet dollars to donuts that your power supply is at fault, not your motherboard.
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a b V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 7:15:05 PM

These kinds of things never have official "stop manufacturing now" dates. Each vendor is free to make them as long as they want.

You'll start seeing less and less of them as they cut back production to meet the decreased demands. Eventually no more will be made at all, but I'm guessing they'll be fairly easy to find (maybe a bit pricey) for another year or two at least.
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a b V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 7:18:53 PM

I don't thinking OCing it is necessary, thats a 1 grand proc @ 3.33 Ghz

it still trades blows with the i7 2600k http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=287

Is it not up to par for what you are wanting to do with it? or is it just the old socket concerning you, regardless I doubt it will go out manufacturer product line any time soon.
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a c 199 V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 7:44:57 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
Mom and pop shops probably wouldn't carry much with 1366 anyway due to the lack of compatibility with current Intel offerings.

Also, I would bet dollars to donuts that your power supply is at fault, not your motherboard.



Where did the OP even mention having a fault? He bought an HP. It has locked BIOS preventing him from overclocking. That has nothing to do with his power supply....

mouse24 - Yes at stock it is about equal to a 2600K. The 980X tops out in the 4 - 4.3Ghz range overclocked compared to the 2600K overclocking to 4.5 - 5Ghz though.

OP as price does not seem to be an issue since you bought an Extreme Edition processor if I was you I would look at these boards. Now is as good a time as any to buy. I do not see LGA 1366 getting any cheaper or the boards getting any easier to find.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
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a c 717 V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 7:55:44 PM

A longtime, you can still get LGA 775 MOBOs.

If you're going to upgrade then it's probably going to be a new: MOBO, case, and maybe a PSU; OEM PSU's are the pits. Most OEM's use mATX MOBO's and the standard ATX more than likely won't fit.
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a b V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 9:24:00 PM

anort3 said:
Where did the OP even mention having a fault? He bought an HP. It has locked BIOS preventing him from overclocking. That has nothing to do with his power supply....

mouse24 - Yes at stock it is about equal to a 2600K. The 980X tops out in the 4 - 4.3Ghz range overclocked compared to the 2600K overclocking to 4.5 - 5Ghz though.

OP as price does not seem to be an issue since you bought an Extreme Edition processor if I was you I would look at these boards. Now is as good a time as any to buy. I do not see LGA 1366 getting any cheaper or the boards getting any easier to find.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...


Read the OP again, "It's been a rocking computer but my error in buying a OEM computer has caught up to me with the slow death of the 1366 socket motherboard."
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a c 199 V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 9:34:47 PM

Lol. Yes, read that again carefully.

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I have no complaints about it so far but I can't help but see in the near future the need to buy a new motherboard that will let me overclock this CPU and squeeze another year or two out of it.


"Slow death" meaning he is stuck with no way to overclock. Not literally dying.
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a b V Motherboard
March 8, 2012 9:50:18 PM

anort3 said:
Lol. Yes, read that again carefully.

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I have no complaints about it so far but I can't help but see in the near future the need to buy a new motherboard that will let me overclock this CPU and squeeze another year or two out of it.


"Slow death" meaning he is stuck with no way to overclock. Not literally dying.


I guess he is referring to 1366 motherboard in general or something. To me, it reads that his motherboard is dying AND he doesn't like the fact that he cannot overclock.
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March 8, 2012 10:48:10 PM

No, everything works fine. I do animation for a living and having a kick ass chip that is made to overclock on a motherboard that is BIOS locked to not be able to overclock is rubbing me the wrong way. I know if I get that processor up to ~4.2 GHz it potentially would smoke the current generation 6 core chip at stock speeds and keep making that $1k chip pumping out it's worth.

Ultimately it would turn out to be this kind of upgrade if it happened.

New Case (probably Antec 300, no frills and plenty of drive bays)
New MB (GIGABYTE GA-X58-USB3)
New PSU (probably Seasonic or Corsair 80plus silver 650-750 watt)
all those parts would run about $500 which isn't bad but not sure if it's worth that price.

I always feel like with OEM stuff you have a time bomb waiting to go bad (especially with their PSU). Last time I buy from Dell or HP for a desktop, that's for sure.

-Rob
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 3:10:23 AM

If you brought me your computer, as a client, to "de-OEM it," I would recommend the following (taking into account the information you have provided thus far).

PSU - $136 (20% off w/ promo code "Kingwin20", ends 3/11)- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case - $90 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo - $150 (After $20 MIR) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HSF - $92 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total for Upgrade = $468 before shipping and taxes

Any chance you can post your entire system specs?
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 3:19:35 AM

iknowhowtofixit said:
If you brought me your computer, as a client, to "de-OEM it," I would recommend the following (taking into account the information you have provided thus far).

PSU - $136 (20% off w/ promo code "Kingwin20", ends 3/11)- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case - $90 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo - $150 (After $20 MIR) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HSF - $92 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total for Upgrade = $468 before shipping and taxes

Any chance you can post your entire system specs?


:3 expensive power supply... grab a cheap 750 or 800w one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

knock the cheapo water cooling into a high end air cooling such as the NH-D14

the case is personal preference, I might have went with the HaF 912 or the fractal, NZXT etc

boards nice though.
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 3:55:37 AM

mouse24 said:
:3 expensive power supply... grab a cheap 750 or 800w one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

knock the cheapo water cooling into a high end air cooling such as the NH-D14

the case is personal preference, I might have went with the HaF 912 or the fractal, NZXT etc

boards nice though.


The power supply is definitely not expensive considering he has a $1000 CPU. Plus, the 80plus bronze Corsair unit is wattage overkill for a single graphics card setup and is only $20 less because of a MIR compared to the LZP-650. The $20 difference will be made up within the first year in power savings.

The Noctua NH-D14 big air cooler is a big PITA to install, just like every other big air cooler. It is also, MASSIVELY huge and will likely overhang onto the RAM slots on almost all motherboards. The H80 a simpler, easier to install solution that won't interfere with other components in the system. I also know, from experience, that the H80 also works fantastically well in that particular computer case since the airflow is back to front. That means you will always have fresh, cool air hitting the fins of the radiator instead of warm case air on a big air cooler.

But, since we don't know the OPs specs yet, there probably are enough drive bays for all of his stuff and it won't work anyway.
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March 9, 2012 4:21:47 AM

Right now I'm sporting this for the system:

HP 190t Pavillion
Intel i7 980x
2 drive bays (yes, 2)
2 optical drive bays
460 watt power supply
24 GB DDR 3 RAM (1066 I think, I didn't spring for the fast stuff because it didn't need it)
Nvidia GTX 550ti Hacked to use Adobe Mercury Playback Engine
2X 1TB Samsung Spinpoint HDD

Back in the day (May 2010) it cost $2100 which wasn't bad considering the chip.

It's a rocking box but the internal space is cramping things and forcing my hand to buy external ESATA drives. I figure the strongest video card I would get (if Adobe forces my hand to buy it) would be a 570GTX.

Really the thing that scares me is that I have a 460watt delta PSU (no 80plus rating to mention) which could cost $50 holding a $1000 chip's life in it's hands. That's what really scares me about OEM, I know some do good quality components but I also know they do take bids from the lowest bidder ;) .

-Rob
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:26:54 AM

Delta makes good quality PSUs. They may not have many bells or whistles, but they make solid units (which is why they are an OEM for so many companies).

How many internal hard drives are you wanting to have? Have you ever considered a NAS?
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:27:19 AM

pdxgfx said:
Right now I'm sporting this for the system:

HP 190t Pavillion
Intel i7 980x
2 drive bays (yes, 2)
2 optical drive bays
460 watt power supply
24 GB DDR 3 RAM (1066 I think, I didn't spring for the fast stuff because it didn't need it)
Nvidia GTX 550ti Hacked to use Adobe Mercury Playback Engine
2X 1TB Samsung Spinpoint HDD

Back in the day (May 2010) it cost $2100 which wasn't bad considering the chip.

It's a rocking box but the internal space is cramping things and forcing my hand to buy external ESATA drives. I figure the strongest video card I would get (if Adobe forces my hand to buy it) would be a 570GTX.

Really the thing that scares me is that I have a 460watt delta PSU (no 80plus rating to mention) which could cost $50 holding a $1000 chip's life in it's hands. That's what really scares me about OEM, I know some do good quality components but I also know they do take bids from the lowest bidder ;) .

-Rob


Delta units are the ABSOLUTE WORST ones you can find, below even logisys and rosewill, multiple people (johnnyguru included) have had them just spontaneously explode/catch fire on them... replace it asap
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a c 199 V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:34:45 AM

Rosewill is actually putting out some decent units these days with their Super Flower and Sirtec manufactured lines. But I agree that Delta is crap.
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:42:17 AM

mouse24 said:
Delta units are the ABSOLUTE WORST ones you can find, below even logisys and rosewill, multiple people (johnnyguru included) have had them just spontaneously explode/catch fire on them... replace it asap


Um, Delta is the OEM for companies like Antec, including their HCP series that is highly acclaimed. Some Rosewill units are better than others. Rosewill uses multiple OEMs for their different lines and are priced accordingly. Most companies do not produce power supplies themselves. This includes major brands like Zalman, NZXT, XFX, Antec, Corsair, Cooler Master, OCZ and Thermaltake. They contract OEMs, like Delta, Super Flower, Sirfa, Seasonic, etc to make the PSUs for them.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and you didn't even spell Jonny Guru correctly.
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March 9, 2012 4:47:01 AM

I have a Synology 209 NAS for backup (excellent enclosure BTW, I would recommend it to anyone). After doing a little calculation on a power supply calculator (not the one on newegg) it looks like it would be unnecessary for me to have anything above 650 for a power supply. I did forget to mention in my specs above that it did come with a Blueray Combo drive.

As for PSUs, I've been eyeballing this little beauty. Seasonics have a good rep from what I understand. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:50:27 AM

iknowhowtofixit said:
Um, Delta is the OEM for companies like Antec, including their HCP series that is highly acclaimed. Some Rosewill units are better than others. Rosewill uses multiple OEMs for their different lines and are priced accordingly. Most companies do not produce power supplies themselves. This includes major brands like Zalman, NZXT, XFX, Antec, Corsair, Cooler Master, OCZ and Thermaltake. They contract OEMs, like Delta, Super Flower, Sirfa, Seasonic, etc to make the PSUs for them.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and you didn't even spell Jonny Guru correctly.



Yes DELTA is crap as a brand, it is not crap when it meets other manufacturers standards and they rebrand them as non delta units (they have delta identifiers but they are not under the main tree, such as my Antec 500D green im using)

Rosewills units are only good IF they are branded as 80+ I'm not saying that its a terrible company im just advising everyone to spend there money elsewhere for a unit they KNOW will be up to par from respectible manufacturers like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, etc

And yes, putting down an alternate spelling of someones name makes me a moron.
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a c 199 V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:56:02 AM

mouse24 said:
Yes DELTA is crap as a brand, it is not crap when it meets other manufacturers standards and they rebrand them as non delta units (they have delta identifiers but they are not under the main tree, such as my Antec 500D green im using)

Rosewills units are only good IF they are branded as 80+ I'm not saying that its a terrible company im just advising everyone to spend there money elsewhere for a unit they KNOW will be up to par from respectible manufacturers like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, etc

And yes, putting down an alternate spelling of someones name makes me a moron.



The Delta brand as an OEM is pretty bad I agree.

You do know Corsair and Antec don't manufacture they just rebrand right?

Everything you ever wanted to know about power supplies.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:57:21 AM

pdxgfx said:
I have a Synology 209 NAS for backup (excellent enclosure BTW, I would recommend it to anyone). After doing a little calculation on a power supply calculator (not the one on newegg) it looks like it would be unnecessary for me to have anything above 650 for a power supply. I did forget to mention in my specs above that it did come with a Blueray Combo drive.

As for PSUs, I've been eyeballing this little beauty. Seasonics have a good rep from what I understand. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Performance wise, I have no qualms with Seasonic PSUs as they are typically top performers in their price brackets. However, after being burned more than I ever want to remember last year on Seasonic and Seasonic OEM PSUs having terrible coil whine, I am not recommending them. I'm not saying that you will get one and it will have coil whine. That is just my personal experience.

For a 650 watt gold unit, I would recommend this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It goes toe to toe in performance with Seasonic with a much less chance of coil whine. Once again, performance wise, you won't go wrong with either.
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 4:58:59 AM

anort3 said:
The Delta brand as an OEM is pretty bad I agree.

You do know Corsair and Antec don't manufacture they just rebrand right?

Everything you ever wanted to know about power supplies.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm



Yeah thats what I was trying to pick at, most of the good units by delta/rosewill/etc are already snatched up by antec/corsair/etc so I personally would see any OEM pc that comes with a psu labeled delta on the side as a walking time bomb (of course id research that particular one buts its still concerning for such high end parts)
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 5:03:58 AM

mouse24 said:
Yes DELTA is crap as a brand, it is not crap when it meets other manufacturers standards and they rebrand them as non delta units (they have delta identifiers but they are not under the main tree, such as my Antec 500D green im using)

Rosewills units are only good IF they are branded as 80+ I'm not saying that its a terrible company im just advising everyone to spend there money elsewhere for a unit they KNOW will be up to par from respectible respectable manufacturers like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, etc

And yes, putting down an alternate spelling of someones name makes me a moron.


In my post, that you even quoted and crafted a response to, I detailed the fact that Corsair and Antec do not make PSUs. STILL, you are trying to convince someone, somewhere that Corsair and Antec make PSUs. Also, being 80 plus certified has nothing to do with whether a power supply has good ripple suppression or in spec voltage regulation or doesn't fry when you apply 100% load to it. Any crap PSU can make 80plus certification.

mouse24 said:
Yeah thats what I was trying to pick at, most of the good units by delta/rosewill/etc are already snatched up by antec/corsair/etc so I personally would see any OEM pc that comes with a psu labeled delta on the side as a walking time bomb (of course id research that particular one buts its still concerning for such high end parts)


You must be trolling. Nobody can be this dumb.
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 5:18:35 AM

iknowhowtofixit said:
In my post, that you even quoted and crafted a response to, I detailed the fact that Corsair and Antec do not make PSUs. STILL, you are trying to convince someone, somewhere that Corsair and Antec make PSUs. Also, being 80 plus certified has nothing to do with whether a power supply has good ripple suppression or in spec voltage regulation or doesn't fry when you apply 100% load to it. Any crap PSU can make 80plus certification.



You must be trolling. Nobody can be this dumb.


If I came of as saying antec/corsair make psus its not what I intended.. and please tell me how the 2nd quote made me look dumb?

I was saying the good delta/rosewill units are being bought by other companies so I personally can't suggest someone to go on a shopping spree at say newegg looking at the delta line. (since the good ones are already in the hands of companies who have a much better selection of better engineered parts, makes sense yes?)

you go into a store and you see some melons that cost 50 dollars, then you look around and see some slightly less appealing looking melons for 5 dollars, but knowing nothing about melons you wouldn't know not to grab that 200w logisys "melon" when you can instead give them solid advice that they can then pass down to other people without a whole lot of explaining of ripple/load calibration/capacitors/etc

I find my answer of "generally Delta is crap, you see something labeled delta on a store shelf, dont even bother with it"

I will say this loud, THE ONES DELTA DOESNT SHIP TO OTHER COMPANIES TO SLAP A STICKER ON IT, ARE GENERALLY NOT UP TO PAR WITH OTHER UNITS.
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a c 199 V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 5:24:50 AM

What he was getting at is that Rosewill does not manufacture power supplies either. ;) 
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a b V Motherboard
March 9, 2012 5:31:27 AM

anort3 said:
What he was getting at is that Rosewill does not manufacture power supplies either. ;) 


oh hur dur, still doesn't seem to stop them from accepting some pretty bad ones though (never really knew they didn't manufacturer them, doesnt matter to me TBH)

personally what defines a good company is one that weeds out its problem units not one that accepts everything and has a special spot for a halfway decent one.
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March 16, 2012 12:00:19 AM

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March 16, 2012 4:41:20 AM

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