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July 5, 2011 5:46:30 AM

Hello, does the AMD Phenom II X4 955 work for autocad 3d?
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July 5, 2011 7:36:27 AM

yes working , but you need VGA PRO like FirePro or Nvidia Quadro it good and fast for rendering.
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July 5, 2011 8:32:02 AM

No problem, I have the same CPU im my PC and I use 3ds max and autoCAD without any dificulties...
Onyl be sure to have enough RAM and good enough descrete graphics card
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July 5, 2011 9:04:41 AM

RAM - You'll need a good amount of it. CPU - you could get an AMD x4 955BE but the i3-2100 easily trumps that...trust me, this is coming from a student of architecture using all kinds of rendering apps.

Firepro or quatro's are specially designed to take/share the load off the cpu. Will set you back a few quids but is worth the extra cash dropping.

Just remember, spending on a Gaming GPU like the ati HD 4xxx, 5xxx or 6xxx series is a total waste of money. They are built only for gaming. Using them for 3D work will only utilize a fraction of the gpu you have.

CUDA enabled GPU's from Nvidia are a little better on the otherhand. Here's why
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July 5, 2011 12:57:27 PM

sorry I posted in the wrong browser tab apologies
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July 5, 2011 1:43:46 PM

The i3 would be better because AutoCAD is not optimised for multi-threading. Therefore single thread clock speed is the most important.

I splurged on a quad core only to find this out and was pretty pissed off.
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July 5, 2011 5:22:20 PM

Wow, thanks guys! So far you are the best forums out there, so I will post my whole issue in a new thread and link it here. Thanks again.

@lutfij Please check out the new thread, you read my mind about the gaming issue, but how do you figure that the i3 trumps the X4? I was planning on the Saphire 6850! How do I know which processors have CUDA?

@simon12 The link you gave me helped changed my mind about Intel AMD thing, Why would someone get an AMD????

@henydiah Whats VGA pro and quadro?

@americanbrian Wow, are you sure? Does that mean that the quad core is semi useless for autocad 3d or what?

@theDanijel Ok, great :D 

Apologies for the nooby questions, learning alot from this PC hunt! haha
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July 5, 2011 5:46:34 PM

Hey ,
- vga proffesional is nvidia quadro / amd firepro ussualy for rendering, maya, autocad, 3D, lab, design etc but NOT FOR GAME ( PRICE VERY EXPENSIIVE)

- vga Geforce / Radeon use for overclock, gaming, play movie, internet, the radeon (AMD) and Geforce(Nvidia) also can be used for rendering, autocad, video edit, maya but very very slow when ran render and encoding.

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July 5, 2011 11:05:19 PM

henydiah said:
Hey ,
- vga proffesional is nvidia quadro / amd firepro ussualy for rendering, maya, autocad, 3D, lab, design etc but NOT FOR GAME ( PRICE VERY EXPENSIIVE)

- vga Geforce / Radeon use for overclock, gaming, play movie, internet, the radeon (AMD) and Geforce(Nvidia) also can be used for rendering, autocad, video edit, maya but very very slow when ran render and encoding.

http://fireuser.com/images/uploads/specview_perf_maya_8750v5870.gif


Ok, thank you. Thats clears it up well. I think I will go with the cheap gaming ones and use it for Autocad, good idea?
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July 6, 2011 1:29:28 AM

if AUTOCAD not as a daily job, I think it's also nice to use a VGA Gaming
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July 6, 2011 1:37:50 AM

henydiah said:
if AUTOCAD not as a daily job, I think it's also nice to use a VGA Gaming


Ok great :D 
Can you help with my other issues please?
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July 6, 2011 7:08:17 AM

Lutfij said:
RAM - You'll need a good amount of it. CPU - you could get an AMD x4 955BE but the i3-2100 easily trumps that...trust me, this is coming from a student of architecture using all kinds of rendering apps.

Firepro or quatro's are specially designed to take/share the load off the cpu. Will set you back a few quids but is worth the extra cash dropping.

Just remember, spending on a Gaming GPU like the ati HD 4xxx, 5xxx or 6xxx series is a total waste of money. They are built only for gaming. Using them for 3D work will only utilize a fraction of the gpu you have.

CUDA enabled GPU's from Nvidia are a little better on the otherhand. Here's why



Actually as far as my understanding goes

Quatro and FirePro are actually same core as the gaming GPUS
but have a different set of drivers optimized for OpenGL which is what most renderers rely on
You can actually run some Quatro/Firepro drivers on the equilavent gaming CPU core

Nvidia has CUDA and I believe Open CL
while
AMD/ATI has ATI Stream and OpenCL
which are both ways of offloading parallel optimized code to the GPU

For example I use CyberLink Power Director 9 which uses ATI Stream and the GPU shares
the encoding with the CPU
DVD Fab will also work with ATI Stream

Nvidia CUDA does have more apps that take advantage of it than AMD Stream
CUDA has more software development that ATI Stream
due to NVidia focusing earlier than AMD on this tech

Hopefully AMD and Nvidia will agree on OpenCL which is an open source API project
and this way their will be a mutual standard reached
Really AMD and Nvidia using competing standards for GPU offload processing is actually hurting both of them

refer to
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/TECHNOLOGIES/STREAM-TECH...
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July 6, 2011 7:12:34 AM

Haha looks like everyones got you, akkad I'm not to good on this kind of rendering subject. Only things like CS(X), Editing (Photo/Video), basics etc. But not productions haha.
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July 6, 2011 6:57:27 PM

king smp said:
Actually as far as my understanding goes

Quatro and FirePro are actually same core as the gaming GPUS
but have a different set of drivers optimized for OpenGL which is what most renderers rely on
You can actually run some Quatro/Firepro drivers on the equilavent gaming CPU core

Nvidia has CUDA and I believe Open CL
while
AMD/ATI has ATI Stream and OpenCL
which are both ways of offloading parallel optimized code to the GPU

For example I use CyberLink Power Director 9 which uses ATI Stream and the GPU shares
the encoding with the CPU
DVD Fab will also work with ATI Stream

Nvidia CUDA does have more apps that take advantage of it than AMD Stream
CUDA has more software development that ATI Stream
due to NVidia focusing earlier than AMD on this tech

Hopefully AMD and Nvidia will agree on OpenCL which is an open source API project
and this way their will be a mutual standard reached
Really AMD and Nvidia using competing standards for GPU offload processing is actually hurting both of them

refer to
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/TECHNOLOGIES/STREAM-TECH...


Thanks. I think I will go with CUDA cause autocad uses it.
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July 6, 2011 6:58:44 PM

aznshinobi said:
Haha looks like everyones got you, akkad I'm not to good on this kind of rendering subject. Only things like CS(X), Editing (Photo/Video), basics etc. But not productions haha.


Lol, yes they are doing a very good job helping me in this subject, but the message I sent you was supposed to send you to http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314896-31-help-autoca... , thats the main thread :p  Can you help me there please?
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July 6, 2011 8:09:55 PM

akkad said:
Thanks. I think I will go with CUDA cause autocad uses it.


You need a Quadro workstation card for 'CUDA' -- and I would be very careful with claims concerning 'CUDA' and AutoCAD.

AutoCAD regeneration is OpenGL based, and I suspect CUDA optimizations to have minimal impact over and above the standard performance gains seen from FireGL/Quadro workstation drivers.



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July 6, 2011 8:14:09 PM

Wisecracker said:
You need a Quadro workstation card for 'CUDA' -- and I would be very careful with claims concerning 'CUDA' and AutoCAD.

AutoCAD regeneration is OpenGL based, and I suspect CUDA optimizations to have minimal impact over and above the standard performance gains seen from FireGL/Quadro workstation drivers.


Oh God. Things are so complicated. So now CUDA is of little (no) use, especially because of the price difference. What do you think I should do?
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July 6, 2011 9:23:07 PM

sorry to drop in so late - was caught up with some travelling :) 

how much dya have to spend on your rig?

Recommendations?
Nvidia cuda workstation with a P67 mobo and minimum 8GB of ram.
An ssd and of course a god quality 600W PSU to power that (intended) rig.

Though the real deal breaking question is - will you want to setup an sli system? cos most(if not all) workstation mobo's have multiple PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots to help accommodate quatro or firepro cards

e.g:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P6...

though its a dieing socket -
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/09/asus_p6x58e_w...

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Motherboards/ASUS-P6T7-and...





hope this helps
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July 6, 2011 9:41:18 PM

Lutfij said:
sorry to drop in so late - was caught up with some travelling :) 

how much dya have to spend on your rig?

Recommendations?
Nvidia cuda workstation with a P67 mobo and minimum 8GB of ram.
An ssd and of course a god quality 600W PSU to power that (intended) rig.

Though the real deal breaking question is - will you want to setup an sli system? cos most(if not all) workstation mobo's have multiple PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots to help accommodate quatro or firepro cards

e.g:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P6...

though its a dieing socket -
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/06/09/asus_p6x58e_w...

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Motherboards/ASUS-P6T7-and...

http://pcper.com/images/reviews/864/p6t7-1.jpg

http://www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1303592599Wq682eb68Y_1_7_l.jpg

hope this helps



Thanks, hope your travels were fun or at least productive :) 

My budget is around 700-800, read the starting thread :D 

I think the workstation is just too expensive? I was thinking a regular high end pc? I don't know
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July 6, 2011 9:53:05 PM

high end pc - ok.
expensive - you ever heard of occupational hazard? if you want to run autocad and the likes of autodesk products that are ram and cpu hungry, then the workstation route will seal a good clean path for you and your works to come

when you set a render - the first gen i7's smash everything they are given. Look a step down - the Q9550 i have can also do a good job cos of the 12mb cache iot has onboard.

compare it to the 2nd gen i5/i7 - then you have cheap, cool and efficiant cpu's that churn out wonderful renders in short time. This means you can have higher detailed renders :)  more eye candy - more lients to aid in your funding :D 

mobo's;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU's;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case;
erm - dunno depends on how you'll have it lying around- around clients or your home?

I haven't calculated it but i think i've managed within the budget...oh wait the card right?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

:wow: i forgot they cost that much :D  lol - i had a friend who asked me to look at a rig similar to yours - though now i do remember telling him of the firepro's abd that the card swallowed half his wallet :) 

sorry for sounding like a marketing major/milk man :) 
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July 6, 2011 11:14:01 PM

i also included a P67 WS config :)  - though i did mention that the 1366 is a dead socket now...just surviving by a thread :p  so thas why I aint for the X58 route.
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July 7, 2011 1:04:59 AM

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really a LGA 1366 reccommendation?


Thanks guys, but thats just too much, way over the budget....
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July 7, 2011 2:58:23 AM

Haha Akkad, I can't help you here either. No matter what you want me to do I'm just not familiar with autocad. But yes the 955 could do it.
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July 7, 2011 8:33:08 AM

trust me the x4 will cripple your 3D rendering work. I've tested it out as well :)  intels the way to go. Or you could wait until the Llano desktop APU's come out.

I said it before, and I'll say it again (without sounding rude) - the extra your spending will show its benefits!

Speaking of which what sort of 3D are we talking about here? vray? textures? lighting?
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July 7, 2011 3:19:52 PM

Luft Llano is already out.
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July 7, 2011 9:11:51 PM

OK :S i'm out of touch with the Llano's :) 
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July 7, 2011 9:20:31 PM

Wisecracker said:
AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz: $83 with code EMCKCKC25 valid till 07/13/2011

G.SKILL 4GB DDR3 1600: $30 with code EMCKCKC23 valid till 07/13/2011

Asus M5A99X EVO AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3: $165

XFX 650W Power Supply: $96 before $30 rebate

XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB: $195 before $25 rebate

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case: $59

$628 before $55 rebates = $573


Wow, great bro. Sorry for being late to reply, lots of working and searching. I have decided to go with an Intel, as whatever I spend extra for it (even at he expense of other parts) would not go to waste. I was also in a battle over Nvidia and ATi, (especially with the CUDA in teh Nvidias) but have decided that it's not relevant because autocad doesn't support CUDa (contrary to what I was told elsewhere). Perfect build, great price (the vid card looks awesome *drooling*) but Amd is no longer an option for me. Do you have any Intel builds that you could show me? :D 
Also, how can I decide which Vid card is better than the other? is their a way other than benchmarks?
Many thanks!
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July 7, 2011 9:22:12 PM

Lutfij said:
trust me the x4 will cripple your 3D rendering work. I've tested it out as well :)  intels the way to go. Or you could wait until the Llano desktop APU's come out.

I said it before, and I'll say it again (without sounding rude) - the extra your spending will show its benefits!

Speaking of which what sort of 3D are we talking about here? vray? textures? lighting?


Yes, haha I know that it does, but I'm under a budget at the moment! :) ) As for the 3D, I don't know yet.... My dad is having trouble choosing which one to learn so he can work with it.
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July 7, 2011 9:24:02 PM

Sorry, I'm getting nagged at to leave the PC! Will reply to all of you later.
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July 7, 2011 10:19:16 PM

akkad said:
Wow, great bro. Sorry for being late to reply, lots of working and searching. I have decided to go with an Intel, as whatever I spend extra for it (even at he expense of other parts) would not go to waste. I was also in a battle over Nvidia and ATi, (especially with the CUDA in teh Nvidias) but have decided that it's not relevant because autocad doesn't support CUDa (contrary to what I was told elsewhere). Perfect build, great price (the vid card looks awesome *drooling*) but Amd is no longer an option for me. Do you have any Intel builds that you could show me? :D 
Also, how can I decide which Vid card is better than the other? is their a way other than benchmarks?
Many thanks!


No.

You have been duped into thinking that your CPU is the 'end-all' for this rig. It is not.

As you were advised in your other thread, the Asus 990X I spec'ed for you is qualified for ECC RAMs, and will perform quite well as a design workstation that will grow with your demands.

Sorry you cannot see that -- good luck with your endeavors.
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July 8, 2011 12:26:49 AM

Here's what just came to mind - why don't you look at an EVGA mobo that has an NF200 chip on it. that still qualifies for the extra lanes you'll need for the workstation rig when you'll have multiple cards running and ofcourse the bandwith you'll need to do renderings (actually that is a future proofing path - one where the motherboard stays constant).

http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Sub...
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July 8, 2011 3:23:44 AM

Wisecracker said:
No.

You have been duped into thinking that your CPU is the 'end-all' for this rig. It is not.

As you were advised in your other thread, the Asus 990X I spec'ed for you is qualified for ECC RAMs, and will perform quite well as a design workstation that will grow with your demands.

Sorry you cannot see that -- good luck with your endeavors.



Could you be a little less vague?
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July 8, 2011 3:25:30 AM

Lutfij said:
Here's what just came to mind - why don't you look at an EVGA mobo that has an NF200 chip on it. that still qualifies for the extra lanes you'll need for the workstation rig when you'll have multiple cards running and ofcourse the bandwith you'll need to do renderings (actually that is a future proofing path - one where the motherboard stays constant).

http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Sub...



I'm interested! But could you produce a different link please? The one you gave me takes me to a page on newegg that says your shopping cart is empty.
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July 8, 2011 3:39:06 AM

the minimum specs for AutoCad 2011 is actually pretty light

you cant go wrong with a
2500k or a Phenom x 4 955/965
8+gbs of ram (autocad loves memory)
SSD OS drive or possibly WD Velociraptor (balance between size and speed for the money)
at least a GTX 460/560Ti or HD 6850 (better would be a Quatro but they are expensive)

take a look at this
http://masteringcad.com/2010/09/auto-cad-2011-system-re...

Just my opinion
I could be wrong
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July 8, 2011 9:04:57 AM

:)  i run the program , minimum specs are just so you can "look" at the program not work with it.

here's the specs; forgot that the cart was user/IP specific :p 

Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 3MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I32100

EVGA P67 FTW 160-SB-E679-KR LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

PNY VCQFX580-PCIE-PB Quadro FX 580 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card

LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer - Bulk - 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM

XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Fractal Design Define R3 Black ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case



i'm looking at other motherboards :)  hang on while i have a peek.

Edit; more motherboards to flux the price's

ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

MSI P67A-GD80 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

tip: just go to the links and add them to cart - should see the total at the end of the cart list :) 

with dual lan - you have the option of backburning or using older rigs to create a render farm.

If it were up to me - I'd still get the P6X58-E WS mobo :)  just my 2 cents.
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July 8, 2011 12:07:02 PM

akkad said:
Could you be a little less vague?


Really?

Could you focus more, be less of a douche, and act like an adult?

I have addressed each and every one of your specific requests in great detail, no matter how contrary, in your $600-$800 AutoCAD not-sure-of-what-version workstation-capable with SLI/CrossFire not-a-gaming-rig-but-with-a-gaming-card desktop computer build.

And by the way, the Asus M5A97 AM3+ 970 motherboard pshacker linked supports ECC memory for a future upgrade, too, and will save you $60 over the Asus M5A99X -- damn near freeing up enough cash for a 64GB SSD for your OS/apps (and keeping the initial cost of the build in the $600 range).

I have also protected you from the 'vague' disinformation in your two threads that has been quite prevalent. I know this young man is trying to be helpful, but here is another:

Lutfij said:
Here's what just came to mind - why don't you look at an EVGA mobo that has an NF200 chip on it. that still qualifies for the extra lanes you'll need for the workstation rig when you'll have multiple cards running and ofcourse the bandwith you'll need to do renderings (actually that is a future proofing path - one where the motherboard stays constant)....


The NF200 is a 'bridge' chip and does not add additional PCIe lanes. It acts as a switch in simply re-tasking PCIe lanes between the x16 slots on the motherboard. It also adds latency, and while doing so negates any gain in performance on P67 chipsets.


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July 8, 2011 1:27:07 PM

Quote:
Could you focus more, be less of a douche, and act like an adult?


bro, according to Tom's rules your supposed to keep flames to yourself (or inside your avatar) its the OP's decision to make the purchase - thus which route to go. All we are here for is to give advice. The advice that he wants to swallow is his choice and his choice alone. NOT belittle them and make them turn the other way.

Quote:
AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2GHz: $83 with code EMCKCKC25 valid till 07/13/2011

G.SKILL 4GB DDR3 1600: $30 with code EMCKCKC23 valid till 07/13/2011

Asus M5A99X EVO AM3+ AMD 990X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3: $165

XFX 650W Power Supply: $96 before $30 rebate

XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD 6870 1GB: $195 before $25 rebate

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case: $59

$628 before $55 rebates = $573


with the way intel is right now, they crush anything thrown at them . Bro i ran a x2 555 and it was a lousy excuse for a processor. Just came fresh off two i3-2100 builds with the H67 chip. More than amazed with its results.

BTW - explain this Asus P8P67 WS Revolution runs x16 x16 x8 x8 config . I might've used the wrong words - but I did say that the bandwidth will help in his work output. Latency? its minimal, so small it doesn't cripple a machine/the cards.

I don't understand bro, you're either an AMD salesman or someone who lost a brother in the army...OP's thread, OP's decision. He has to do research and, at the same time, be guided to some threads in order for him to make the informed decision.

There are many links out there that will support your claim. I claim from experience, this coming from a guy who would've built a system around the x2 555 BE and OC it. Until i saw comparsion charts, first hand demo and the shear difference between the i3 and the x2 (or any of the AMD chips out there for that matter).

My 2 cents.
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July 8, 2011 4:24:34 PM

Wisecracker said:
Really?

Could you focus more, be less of a douche, and act like an adult?

I have addressed each and every one of your specific requests in great detail, no matter how contrary, in your $600-$800 AutoCAD
Quote:
not-sure-of-what-version workstation-capable with SLI/CrossFire not-a-gaming-rig-but-with-a-gaming-card desktop computer build.


And by the way, the Asus M5A97 AM3+ 970 motherboard pshacker linked supports ECC memory for a future upgrade, too, and will save you $60 over the Asus M5A99X -- damn near freeing up enough cash for a 64GB SSD for your OS/apps (and keeping the initial cost of the build in the $600 range).

I have also protected you from the 'vague' disinformation in your two threads that has been quite prevalent. I know this young man is trying to be helpful, but here is another:



The NF200 is a 'bridge' chip and does not add additional PCIe lanes. It acts as a switch in simply re-tasking PCIe lanes between the x16 slots on the motherboard. It also adds latency, and while doing so negates any gain in performance on P67 chipsets.


That's a little sad wisecracker :non:  , not for me but for you, but I won't reply the insult, for maybe you are a challenged person, or, as Lutfij stated, have some issue with the army.
You have been duped into thinking that the rig I want is a
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not-sure-of-what-version workstation-capable with SLI/CrossFire not-a-gaming-rig-but-with-a-gaming-card desktop computer build.
, but it's not.
It's just a PC that can work with, if not seamlessly, at least over average, with both Autocad 3D AND all games. I do think I stated before that AMD isn't an option anymore, even though they support ECCs, and that's because of it's futile attempt at competing with the contemporary Intels.
Sorry you cannot see that -- good luck with your endeavors. (Sounds familiar?)
I would rather get help from someone who is kind enough to help than someone who thinks he is above all, no matter his knowledge. Lutfij is being sincerely helpful and teaching me a lot, and not vague at all.

Your previous posts have been of much help (especially the ones here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314896-31-help-autoca... ) , so thank you for those. Though, I would advise that you never post on my thread again if it's to spout out more insults and waste time.
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July 8, 2011 4:35:47 PM

king smp said:
the minimum specs for AutoCad 2011 is actually pretty light

you cant go wrong with a
2500k or a Phenom x 4 955/965
8+gbs of ram (autocad loves memory)
SSD OS drive or possibly WD Velociraptor (balance between size and speed for the money)
at least a GTX 460/560Ti or HD 6850 (better would be a Quatro but they are expensive)

take a look at this
http://masteringcad.com/2010/09/auto-cad-2011-system-re...

Just my opinion
I could be wrong


Yes, I completely agree. I have decided the i5 2500k, 8 gigs of ram, and nothing less than those vid cards for SURE. I'm just trying to get the whole build together which is making me go :pt1cable: 
The link is also very helpful, and I will keep it open on a tab because I need to keep the SSE2 requirment in mind, although the i5 2500k supports the SSE2, it does NOT support Intel TXT and Intel VT-d. Which brings me to a whole different problem. :ouch:  I'm searching those terms at the moment, wikipedia isn't being of much help.

Thanks again for the reply.
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July 8, 2011 4:47:45 PM

Lutfij said:
:)  i run the program , minimum specs are just so you can "look" at the program not work with it.

here's the specs; forgot that the cart was user/IP specific :p 

Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz 2 x 256KB L2 Cache 3MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I32100

EVGA P67 FTW 160-SB-E679-KR LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

PNY VCQFX580-PCIE-PB Quadro FX 580 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card

LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer - Bulk - 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM

XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

Fractal Design Define R3 Black ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case

http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac288/Lutfij/Capture.png

i'm looking at other motherboards :)  hang on while i have a peek.

Edit; more motherboards to flux the price's

ASRock Z68 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

MSI P67A-GD80 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

tip: just go to the links and add them to cart - should see the total at the end of the cart list :) 

with dual lan - you have the option of backburning or using older rigs to create a render farm.

If it were up to me - I'd still get the P6X58-E WS mobo :)  just my 2 cents.




It's near the 900$ mark O_O and I still didn't get a monitor. If I say anything wrong please do correct me. Lets skip the workstation and go with a normal PC with a non workstation vid card. As for the first motherboard, way too expensive - lol. I really have no experince with cases, but check these out (much cheaper) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... The latter was said to have a very good ventilation system.
Let me check the other parts and get back to you.
Also, about the cart being IP specific, I used to think so too, but apparently its not. It seems to be browser session specific O_o I had two cool carts open, but when I went to see them the next day they disappeared. I doubt it was an IP change, I rarely have those.

Thanks again for the reply :D 

EDIT: I checked the other motherboards you posted. Cheaper than the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Why is the EVGA so expensive, I can't find anything that makes it unique, other than supporting 16gb RAM under than standard 32gb) The http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... has "Supports Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Technology Supports Intel K-Series unlocked CPU Supports Hyper-Threading Technology" but the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (and all other motherboards that I saw for that matter, don't have that in their details) Does that mean they don't support them?

Also, I just saw this, insanely cheap http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... What do you think.
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July 8, 2011 4:58:49 PM

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if you dont mind SLI with a 7%~ reduction or so then this board would be good too:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Yes, its a nice motherboard, and I wouldn't mind the 7%. Though I'm looking for a "future proofing" motherboard, one which I only have to upgrade later on than buying a whole new PC, so I wouldnt mind spending a little more. Thanks :D 
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July 8, 2011 5:50:13 PM

:)  glad to be of ANY help ...erm which leads me to ask - should i answer in this thread o the other?

qestn 2; if your not looking towards workstation specific system - your build cost'll go down nearly 2 fold, be able to use a gaming graphic card, run non ECC ram (which usually is cheaper) and plus you can play games with the rig :D  :) 

P.S; the quote of the newegg parts was cos of the following criteria's i kept in mind from my experience.

The rig is going to be used for professional rendering meaning you'll have the case in an office or near professional people...
The rig would be able to house future upgrade parts.
The case, PSU and HDD are items one HAS to keep in mind as constant while the ram/cpu/mobo/gpu remain changing. So the case+psu should last you multiple builds :) 

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July 8, 2011 6:05:40 PM

Lutfij said:
:)  glad to be of ANY help ...erm which leads me to ask - should i answer in this thread o the other?

qestn 2; if your not looking towards workstation specific system - your build cost'll go down nearly 2 fold, be able to use a gaming graphic card, run non ECC ram (which usually is cheaper) and plus you can play games with the rig :D  :) 


Your of great help (best so far) :) )

Answer in that thread is probably better, in case anybody wants to benefit from our work

And, yes, I think that was the issue maybe my fault, I would prefer a gaming rig that CAN work Autocad 3D very well, doesn't mean that I want it to run it perfectly :p  Workstations just don't do games as well, plsu they are pricey.

So, to a new build! haha

I was reading some pages on newegg and saw this insanely cheap card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Thank God, I noticed why its so cheap. Turns out the bus (128 bit in this case is very important) I should get a 256bit, so my hopes were up that I found a great card that cheap, but, alas.
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July 8, 2011 6:15:06 PM

to answer your questions;

EVGA's like the ROG series mobo's are built for overclocking. EVGA's mobo has the voltage readpoingts and the built-in voltimeter. some goodies and the better quality components(meaning stable OC's and longer OC'ing sessions) plus the dual lan.

The other 2 boards from ASrock; one's a Z68 chip board and the other is a P67 board.

There is a thread on tom's here - read it and it'll explain the benefits of a Z68 board. Thus the slight price premium for the ASrock Z68 board.

If your not interested int he Z68 (in that matter an SSD cacheing files) then the P67 is the route to go.

stay away from the 6670 - its a good htpc card but a sitting duck when it comes to helping with games and offloading rendering duty.


GPU recommendation - don't go below a GTX560Ti or a 6870 for your duties and gaming. A lil higher to pay for but they will give you a good headroom with gaming and work. If your still unsure of spending that much - get a 5770 or a GTX550Ti

Thanks for the compliment but we're not outta the woods yet.
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July 8, 2011 6:18:32 PM

Lutfij said:

P.S; the quote of the newegg parts was cos of the following criteria's i kept in mind from my experience.

The rig is going to be used for professional rendering meaning you'll have the case in an office or near professional people...
The rig would be able to house future upgrade parts.
The case, PSU and HDD are items one HAS to keep in mind as constant while the ram/cpu/mobo/gpu remain changing. So the case+psu should last you multiple builds :) 


No, the rig is going to be in my house, we are still new to autocad so we need to practice on it first then use it professionally, good point.
So, are the cases I linked good? And yes, the PSU and HDD will stay for a long time, but Im trying to make the motherboard last for at least 1 more upgrade in the future, so I won't have to go through this all over again, lol. All motherboard support 32gm RAM, so thats good. I will need the SLi and Crossfire, so I can upgrade the Vid later on. I think the i5 2500k would be powerful enough for several builds into the future. So far its "future proof" right? Is there anything i missed.
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