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April 5, 2011 2:32:30 AM

Hello everyone

pproximate Purchase Date: 2 weeks

Budget Range: cheap... $300 to $500 but cheaper the better

System Usage from Most to Least Important: To view and make Autocad drawings in AutoCad 2011, MS office, surf the net email, hd video

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, speakers and OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.ca, ncix.ca or any other that you may recommend.

Country of Origin: Canada eh!

Parts Preferences: by brand or type : open to both intel and amd, though i hear that AMD offers more bang for a buck.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Doesnt have to be.

Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024

Additional Comments: Mostly will be using it at work to probably run Win 7 pro 64bit, and Autocad 2011, occasionally youtube or some HD video and surfing the net, email, MS office.


Some components that I thought might work:

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-880GM-D2H AM3 AMD 880G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996586
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST3500413AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

CD/DVD: LG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD±RW SuperMulti Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Case+PSU: Rosewill R103A Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with 350W 20+4 pin connector Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Total: $380 after shipping and tax


Thank you
April 5, 2011 3:45:45 AM

let me make a couple suggestions: after shipping, this is a bette case choice:
Cooler Master Elite 310 w/ 420W PSU: $59.99 w/ free shipping
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Consider this Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
it has a weaker onboard, but for Autocad, you want a real GPU, even if not that powerful

with the 420W PSU, you could swing a basic video card. A GTX 450 1GB runs CA$107, staying within your budget. Autocad prefers NVidia to ATI.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


April 5, 2011 4:35:49 AM

A client showed me this (new part pricing) yesterday ...

This chip will trounce the A2 at rated clock, especially on longer renders ...

ONLY $10 more ... It would be pound-foolish to ignore this, even on a tight budget.

It will also delay your next major upgrade, by six months (my guesstimate).

AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDX840WFGMBOX

*** ONLY $ 109.99 ***

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And, besides being over 20% faster (bench execute, all else equal), this chip draws no more power than your Athlon-II.


** You can also salvage an optical drive, from an older system ... even a non-sata IDE read-only.


Squirrelly is also correct on the video card ... It ain't an ACAD system without a discreet nVidia GPU.

Again, no matter how tight the budget, save/stretch for an adequate GPU.

This card can also groove to your smaller PSU and does sport OpenGL 3.1 and 1GB GDDR (sweet!)

PNY Verto VCGGT2401D3XPB GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

*** ONLY $ 69.99 ***

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



As u can see, it is a true single slot card that will not crowd or block your other slots ...

OH, BTW, ... This GPU is also made by PNY, who also makes the Quadro ws cards -- It is a "PB" part, which means it is optimized for graphics apps (edit/CAD/3D/PS), rather than for gaming ... it drinks FAR less pwr, as well. (This card gets all it's power from the slot/cardbus and pulls less than 75Watts).

Junior Colleges and Vocationl Schools purchase "PB" cards, like crazy, because of all these reasons and the fact that they run cooler and allow a cheaper PSU and make sense for uATX mobos & cases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fba5VCZ4S2o

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April 5, 2011 5:03:39 AM

So ... If you do everything I said, exactly, and nothing else, you would need to choke up another $60 ... and you would likely cut your drawing and renderring times, in HALF !


Awww, CRAP! ... I just noticed you are in Canada ! DOH !


Also ... I would not (will not) certify the case and PSU you spec'd (no WAY).

You should be getting (at the very VERY least) an Antec ~400 Watt PSU (Basiq Line) ... 480w recommended!

If you tried to sell that system, that you originally spec'd, as an "AutoCad" system ...

(A) Nobody in their right mind would buy it ...

(B) Anyone who would be foolish enough to buy it would promptly SUE YOU ! (not adequate ... or even close).

Also, do not go to sleep or leave the house, with that PSU (you chose) running ... !!! (I'm SERIOUS!).


If you think the system you spec'd (i.e. pile-o-cheap-junk) is adequate (or safe), you are seriously deluded ... ask anyone who has any sense.

Nothing to add except ... ahem ... Spinpoint F3.


Why do I bother to go to such lengths, for a guy who would cheap-out, to the point of sawing off his own leg ??

... Actually ... I dint do this for you (the OP) ... I did it for the tree-rat, and anyone else who might be (truly) listenning. You'll be buying a new PSU (or a new house) ... But, they will not.

So ... REALLY (no true expert will argue) ... With a "passable" PSU, you are looking at ~$490 Delivered

.. Too bad I spaced out the whole "CANADA" thing ... Been awhile since I checked the exchange rate and I doubt Canada has as good a deal, on the P2 ... The Athlon-II x4 @$99 USD, *** IS *** OK for ACAD, tho,






April 5, 2011 6:53:28 AM

The case/psu that the squirrel recommended really is about as low as a sane person should go (in terms of quality/safety/endurance).

350Watts is not adequate for *any* multi-core system with a PCIe bus. 400W bare minimum.

It is not possible to build a psu that has enough clean power and is fire-safe, for under ~$40 USD.



April 5, 2011 6:17:12 PM

I'm going to offer an alternate viewpoint, since I've been running AutoCAD every day for over 20 years...

Autocad, except for rendering, does not care a single bit what video you have. It can run on anything that will drive a monitor. I frequently run Autocad through the internet by connecting to my computer at work. If a slow internet connection can drive a monitor on the other end on a cheap laptop, then any desktop video will do.

Also, except for rendering, autocad only uses one processor core. For maximum speed in autocad you can do a little better with a dual core processor with high clock rate vs. a quad core processor with a lower clock rate. This is not a big deal with current Intel processors but it was when I built my workstation 2 years ago, and maybe it matters with AMD.

If you are working with real large drawings, and since you have a 64-bit OS, maybe you will want more than 4GB of ram. We get by fine in our office with 4GB for autocad but we need 8GB for Revit.
April 5, 2011 7:03:13 PM

I'll buy that ... but with one caveat ... AutoCAD rarely exists in a vacuum and, I *USED* to use it. -- My Dad was the GM of a "Large" Architectural firm, from 1977 until he retired. The two partners were my cousins and I also worked there, and installed their first ethernet LAN (Original IBM PC's). AFAIK, it is still in use (the physical network) to this day.
So, duh, yeah ... If the original PCs (8MHz/8bit/x1core) could run ACAD, then, sure.
I don't know if ACAD still draws diagrams by reading and interpreting a file of top level user commands, but that has always taken time, in the past.
I also remember that all the specs and schedule databases require some very complex series of linked group spreadsheets with complex formulas ... and ... speaking of formulas ... we employed several engineers who had many other complex engineering sw.

The other thing is that most folks who use ACAD for work know that time is money and deadlines are critical.

So ... Get a decent PSU ... And get a modest GPU (beyond integrated graphics).

... The only IGP that I would recommend for ANY Graphics/Edit app would be Sandy Bridge ... And, I may be recommending Llano (AMDs newb IGP), once I flesch it out.

Forget ACAD, for a moment ... It is not possible to build a safe/reliable/snappy/durable computer (even minimally) for much under $500 and I would not give the spec'd system to anyone I care about ... I'm jus' sayin'

Does anyone remember that old COMPAQ PC Graphics Demo that drew a 16 layer wire drawing of the space shuttle, in, like, 1984 ?

April 5, 2011 8:37:18 PM

I'll disagree that you can't make a decent computer for $500. a $500 machine will run slower than a top-line system, but it can get the job done.
April 5, 2011 8:45:50 PM

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AutoCAD rarely exists in a vacuum and, I *USED* to use it


This is a good consideration for most people. If the OP wants to optimize the system for AutoCAD then that is one thing. If the OP needs to do other things at the same time then that is different.

When I built my workstation I had to decide between chips like the E8500 and Q6600. There was lots of debate at the time about dual core vs. quad core, but knowing that AutoCAD only used one core I selected a dual core. I knew I could run it at a higher clock speed than the similarly priced quad cores. I'm still running that machine with a dual core E8500 at 3.8GHz. I could have run a quad core at about 3.4GHz, and that is what I am doing at home. Well the dual core machine is fast but if I am doing lots of things at one time I can see the limitations of a dual core machine and see it slow down. My quad core machine never slows down, even though it isn't as fast at its fastest. I've convinced myself of the worth of a good quad core, but sometimes you might be stuck with a dual core, such as with a laptop.

Nowadays if a person is building a reasonably priced workstation they would be looking at the newer Intel quad cores and the dual core vs. quad core argument just wouldn't apply. But trying to build at the very low end where every $1 is important, it might still be a question of buying a cheaper dual core, clocking it as high as you can, and spending the savings on a better GPU or PSU.
April 5, 2011 11:51:06 PM

Will it run ??? Of course, it will "run".

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OK ... This just proves that I should not involve myself in extreme budget builds.

I am not a gear snob, by any means ... I spend MOST of my time (here) trying (sometimes desperately) to convince (hyped) clients NOT to over-build.

There is a reasonable bottom end, in my mind, and (also in my opinion) you guys are actually just throwing money away, with builds like this.

My biggest gripe/issue, with the original spec, is a PSU that can't be worth more than ~$20, retail ... THAT means that it is VERY unlikely that the output power is clean, just for starters.

The output power, from such a cheap PSU, is most likely to be very poorly rectified and have large spikes and gaps in the voltage/current ... couple that with a cheap mobo and your caps and cheap RC/RCL networks will fry/fail, much sooner and there is also likely NO "surge capacitence" ... One good jolt ... ZAP !

The Rails/caps/coils are made from substandard "pot-metal" (litlerally smelted in unregulated Chinese back-yard operations) using anything that will melt, including used batteries and other heave/soft waste metals ... An extremely competitive market segment with no real rules and LOTS of cheating and short-shrifting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=454QGR_hVs0

There have been MANY very in depth discussions, here, on the perils of lame PSUs and many very senior techs (all, really) are in total agreement. To be truly responsible, to the OP, I must "insist" on NOT including a PSU that does not have a "viable pedigree" (Corsair/Antec/Seasonic ... to be "sure").

But it really is cool just how much compute power can be had, for so very little, in the last two years, especially ... It's all gravy but, lousy/marginal power (and quality) can masquerade as bad memory ... a bad proc ... or almost any other component ... I cannot tell you how many times I have spent WAY too much time, troubleshooting technical "failures" that (finally), in the end, turned out to be related to insufficient or dirty power (or poor mobo power components).

... It is tempting to shave and shave the budget but, at some point (your call), you really are "hurting yourself", wasting money, and putting your system, loved-ones, neighbors, at risk.

Sounds like preachy BS, right ? I have the stats, to prove it. MANY MANY fires and even electrocutions occur every year, due to faulty PSUs ... Working as a Group Leader (60 Techs), and as a corporate accounts site rep, and in Labs at Tracor and several other companies, over 30+ years ... I *do* know.

Maybe these old eyes have seen TOO much ???

There's at least a 50% chance that if you totally ignore my "advice", that you will suffer no ills. I do wish you THAT luck.

I like to help teachers (in India/etc.) build ultra-cheap computers, for their class-rooms ... I am sympathetic to extreme budget constraints but, I will do this typing, here, because I love a happy ending and a satisfied customer ... I am thinking ahead to the next build, as well.

Cheers and "rots-a-ruck!"

If you DO go with an IGP, only, then go for an 890 chipset (4200 series graphics).
April 6, 2011 12:07:02 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
I'll disagree that you can't make a decent computer for $500. a $500 machine will run slower than a top-line system, but it can get the job done.


BIG difference, between "$380" Canadian (ship+tax included!) and $500 USD ... HUGE.

I'll stick to my guns ... even considering Atom based netbooks and iTX ... You really cannot make a safe/reliable/durable/capable system (regardless of reqs) for (much) less than (about) $500USD, BEFORE shipping/taxes + OS. Not without taking significaqnt risks or cutting capability DISPROPORTIONATE TO INITIAL OUTLAY ... In this case ... Spending 20% more $$$ (initial outlay) can double capability ... or, to put it "the other" way ... Cutting your budget, by 20% can rob you of half your thruput and shorten your MTBF and Upgrade Cycle *significantly*.

"DEAF EARS" ... I know ... Time will surely tell. Ah, ... Youth.

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April 6, 2011 2:14:31 AM

All I can say is WOW. Alvin Smith, you are absolutely right about the PSU I would definitely select a better one. But I did not mean to start a debate (fight) here. I'm simply asking for all of your opinions. But Alvin, I guess I really hit your nerve with the initial build.

Quote:
(A) Nobody in their right mind would buy it ...

(B) Anyone who would be foolish enough to buy it would promptly SUE YOU ! (not adequate ... or even close).

Dont worry I'm not building the one i spec'd just something to start with. I did not know i was starting a fire.


Quote:

If you think the system you spec'd (i.e. pile-o-cheap-junk) is adequate (or safe), you are seriously deluded

....a guy who would cheap-out, to the point of sawing off his own leg...

Ouch, some people on the other side of these post have feelings....
Its like your helping me but punching me in the face at the same time. why are you so angry?


I have to build this for one of our senior engineer. he's not only senior in rank, he is also old. Right now he is using old Dell laptop running win xp pro, with 1gb ram and 1.7ghz single core cpu, and using autocad 2006. He wants something slightly faster. He is not going to use it for anything else than to check his emails and view autocad (2D) and occasionally make some 2D drawings.

Quote:
... I dint do this for you (the OP) ...

Yet, I greatly appreciate your valuable advice and thank you.



UPDATED SPEC:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDX840WFGMBOX (as recommended by Alvin)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


Mobo: Screwysqrl, did you recommend ASRock 760GM-GS3 AM3 AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard, to adjust budget to make room for a GPU? Because i do not see much difference between this and GIGABYTE GA-880GM-D2H AM3 AMD 880G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard, Please enlighten me.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBPK
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

HDD:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


CD/DVD:
LG Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Case:
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU:o CZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Video Card: PNY VCGGT4401XPB GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

$553 delivered...


Please provide your insight.... wait a min.......let me put my helmet on........ alright i'm ready.... let me have it.

Thank you in advance

April 6, 2011 3:22:51 AM

Quote:
I have to build this for one of our senior engineer. he's not only senior in rank, he is also old. Right now he is using old Dell laptop running win xp pro, with 1gb ram and 1.7ghz single core cpu, and using autocad 2006. He wants something slightly faster.


Unfortunately each new version of AutoCAD gets slower than the previous version. AutoCAD 2006 on a 1.7GHz processor will be about as fast as the latest AutoCAD on a 2.5GHz or 3.0GHz CPU. In our office we have upgraded CPU's and AutoCAD versions frequently, and in many ways my current machine running at 3.8GHz with AutoCAD 2009 is no faster than the 1.0GHz AMD machine I had 10 years ago with Win98SE and AutoCAD2000i.

I would suggest that your man's biggest problem right now is because he is running only 1GB of ram. If you upgraded his ram, maybe did a clean install of XP, maybe even put in a faster hard drive, he would see a big difference.

Your other options would be to buy the cheapest desktop computer you can find at Dell/BestBuy/whatever, or maybe a low priced laptop. However if it was me, I think the Senior Engineer in a business deserves the fastest computer you can build for him. The most recent workstations I built for my company used i5-750 CPU's and cost around $1200-1300. The time the your engineer would save just in viewing drawings would pay for the computer quickly.
April 6, 2011 4:37:31 AM

the build you put together is a much better build at $553.

The 760 compared to the 880 has a couple fewer SATA ports and a weaker on-board GPU. Thats the main difference. It also doesn't have SATA3/USB3 like some 880 boards do.

If you stick to the 440 board (which is designed as a low-end board, but should be adequate for autocad 2d), you can save about $25 and use the Johnnyguru recommended Corsair CX430W PSU.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
April 6, 2011 6:26:42 AM

My dear Zero, plus crew and thread-heads ...

First (and foremost), please let me apologize and (please?) do attempt to grok that I spend most of my time, here, on this forum, dealing with stupborn, young, or just plain dense/hyped/brainwashed fan-boiz, etc., and if (as with this thread) I am not "feeling enough heel", I will let go with both barrels, just for sheer shock value, like slapping a drunk up-side the head ... I would prefer to be more gentile but do not have the time (inclination) to spend six pages "educating and de-programming" ...

As you can see, I do not mind typing alot, IF ia am doing SOMEone *some* good ...
... When I get cranky and start "biotch-slapping", it is not for my own edification (however entertaining) ... trust that ... !! On this forum, the only winners and losers are the clients.

MAN !!! (Plus a few more "!"s) ... I mean! ... DUDE!! ... I *LOVE*the new build !! (the PSU will "do" but the Corsair (that the Squirrel recommends) is even better (quality and price)).

I do agree, on the RAM and I won't dig-in about the dependability and integrity of a smallish boot SSD ... fair enough ?

But ... NOW you have built something that will last and is plenty snappy ... CUDOS and CONGRATS !!

Have a "slap-happy" build !!

=Al= (yer pal).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvnMI7uddmQ

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April 6, 2011 6:57:05 AM

ASRock 760GM-GS3 AM3 AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

I do agree, BTW, if you ARE going with that fantastic GPU, then this mobo will do fine ... A really great price and ASROCK has fairly decent mid-tier build QC.

The PSU *and* the Centurion case are (at least) a 100% improvement ... WORD!
That Centurion is a solid, roomy case with decent fans ... very popular, highly rated, great price!

*** Squirrelly found you an EVEN BETTER PSU (quality-wise and price-wise) and, the difference, in cost, would almost pay for the upgrd to 2x4=8GB DRAM (yay).

... ALSO ... Because I am such a swell feller, I went onto egg-town/USA and used their power calculator, and enterred a P2x4core + 8GB DDR3 + a standard GTX450 + 2x hard drives ...
... The calculator recommends ~420Watts+ and your GPU is a power-miser and only a GTX440 *and* you only sport 1HDD so ... Corsair is better than OCZ and rates their total output conservatively. ... in short ... Alvin does (most heartily) concur and approve.
(read ALL the specs, on that squirelly Corsair PSU ! ... An absolutely *fan-TAS-tic* value ! )

Great job and very good advice, Tree-Rat ... A very impressive build, your recommendations are golden!


Hey, Zero, ?,

There are only two mem slots and a max of 8GB supported so, if you ARE thinking about 8GB, you MUST do it now (~$85USD for a 2x4GB generic 1333cas9 kit).

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http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoCADWS?v=mhHC17D9rDs&fea...
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April 7, 2011 1:18:02 AM

I would like to thank everyone, Screwysqrl, Alvin, and Cadder for helping me out with this build. All of your advice is greatly appreciated.

Thank you all once again.

April 7, 2011 11:30:44 AM

zer0net said:
I would like to thank everyone, Screwysqrl, Alvin, and Cadder for helping me out with this build. All of your advice is greatly appreciated.

Thank you all once again.


You're Welcome.

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And, a few final comments ...

cadder said:

However if it was me, I think the Senior Engineer in a business deserves the fastest computer you can build for him. The most recent workstations I built for my company used i5-750 CPU's and cost around $1200-1300. The time the your engineer would save just in viewing drawings would pay for the computer quickly.


I agree, whole-heartidly ... and, then, some!

General rule of thumb ... Spend 10% of an employees starting salary, on initial hw/sw toolsets and ergos.
(and up to twice that, for star producers ... and ~2.5% more, avg., each year, on prudent upgrades).
For senior technical staff and VPs ? ... An ~$800 task chair ... Dual 24" dispays, etc. !

Do not cobble your critical staff !

Give them whatever they can make productive use of !

Even if they do not ask ! Give them an adequate (compulsary) budget, for ergos and tools. MAKE them spend "that much", and itemize their priorities.

$60,000/annum salary ? ... A ~$5,200 workstation and an $800 chair ... task lighting, etc.

Hook >>> TWO <<< of these, up to that fancy GPU ... out of respect, for the elderly, if no other reason.
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...

Plus something along these lines (I own both, just for me, different task-reqs).

http://www.bizchair.com/e-89884-bd-ss-fs-eof.html

http://www.bizchair.com/17844deluxe-cvg.html

And I am one of the cheapest bassards you will ever meet !

... And ... I will not even certify a workstation (in the industrial world), that does not sport a boot/apps SSD.
(I have seen many missed deadlines, and even lost contracts, due to untimely HDD crashes).
... Heck ... Even a grad student can't afford to trust their late thesis, to a mechanical drive (any more).

Penny-Wise? = Pound-Foolish !

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Zero?,

You were in great hands, with the Squirrel, from the start, and all my gyrations really boiled down to my playing "bad cop", to support the Rodent's prudent, polite, appropriate, and efficient advice/recommendations.

Very professional ... and he did a great job of accurately assessing your priorities and requirements.

Points, to the Tree-Rat !

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OK ... it's 7:30am ... time for me to crash ... 'nite, All.

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