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April 6, 2011 8:44:58 PM

Hello,

Here is my planned rig:
*I'm not form the US so I'm not buying in $, But I put all those components into Newegg to see what the price will be (~1100$).
I'm going to use the PC primarily for gaming on 1920*1200 resolution.

CPU: Core i5 2500K 3.3Ghz.
Motherboard: Asus P8P67 B3.
GPU: Asus GTX 570
RAM: 2x4GB Patriot Signature Heatshield Dual Channel CL9-9-9-24 (I'm not actually buying from newegg, but patriot site didn't work for some reason).
HD: Caviar Black 1TB 7200RPM, 64MB, SATA III WD1002FAEX
DVD: DVD±RW GH22NS x22 Black SATA (Oem)
Wireless card: Edimax EW-7708PN Mimo nMax 802.11n Wireless PcMCIA NotBook Adapter 300Mbps (I have a wired LAN in my house that connects all the PCs, but I wanted to have a way to connect to wireless devices such as Laptops).
Case: Nine Hundred Two Mid Tower Ultimate Gamer (No PSU) (I know it is not the new V3 version with the USB 3.0, but unfortunately the shop I'm buying from doesn't have that version).
PSU: Chieftec 750W Modular 14cm fan, Active PFC (Retail)

Questions:

1) I'm trying to decide if I need the more expensive p8p67 pro. I'm not planning to use SLI. Are there any other noticeable differences?
2) Ive heard there are a lot of problems with the Asus p8p67 motherboard series (random freezes, sleep issues). I'm buying the newer B3 version, but I'm still worried. what do you think?
3) I'm not sure how well my RAM will work with the motherboard? I chose that model because it was cheaper then the rest with similar capacity. I'm not planning to OC the RAM.
4) What do you think about the PSU? It was cheaper then other models with similar Watts, and even cheaper then other companies models with less Watts, but there were even cheaper models. I'm not sure how reliable "Cheiftec" is.

Ill appreciate any other thoughts and Ideas you might have.

Thank you.
April 6, 2011 8:55:46 PM

That psu is suspect. I'd go with corsair, antec or xfx for that (your psu is one of the most important components of a build). I'd also try to go with corsair or g.skill 1.5v RAM with as low latency as possible (cas 8 is good). I've had two Asus p67 boards and they do have some teething issues but have been generally very stable. The p67 chipset is still brand new afterall and with the recall, bios upgrades have taken a back seat. The issues with sleep mode and multiple posts will be addressed soon I'm sure...
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April 6, 2011 8:59:01 PM

^+1 However I disagree with the companies, I mean those are good companies and all. There are just misleading as many others perform just as well. IE Enermax, Cooler Master (Silent Pro), Seasonic (which produces Corsairs and XFXs power supplies), etc.

My build guide entails a 1000$ build. I personally like the Asrock Extreme4. In the states, it's cheaper and performs around the same.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg2/asrock-e...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4080/welcome-to-sandy-bri...
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April 6, 2011 9:04:04 PM

Oh and if you aren't going to run sli and don't need crap like usb 3.0/firewire headers the p8p67 will be just fine...
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April 6, 2011 9:07:34 PM

aznshinobi said:
^+1 However I disagree with the companies, I mean those are good companies and all. There are just misleading as many others perform just as well. IE Enermax, Cooler Master (Silent Pro), Seasonic (which produces Corsairs and XFXs power supplies), etc.

My build guide entails a 1000$ build. I personally like the Asrock Extreme4. In the states, it's cheaper and performs around the same.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg2/asrock-e...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4080/welcome-to-sandy-bri...


Those companies are just my personal preferences...
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April 6, 2011 9:22:35 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Unfortunately if I buy a more expensive PSU the price gets over my budget. A corsair 600W PSU costs almost as much as the Chieftec 750W, and more powerful versions are even more expensive.
Do you think the "Corsair CX 600W Active PFC 12cm Fan" (Model CMPSU-600CX) PSU will be enough for my build? There are quite a lot of fans on the case...

Why do you think I need a better RAM? I'm not planning to OC it. Do you think this RAM lacks performance?

Btw, do you think I need to stay with 1600 Mhz RAM? If I downgrade to 1333Mhz I might be able to afford a better company.

Edit: About the BIOS updates, I'm a little worried about updating the mobo BIOS since I never did that before. Apparently there are a lot of people on these forum who did everything right and still the update got screwed up. What do you think?
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April 6, 2011 9:26:03 PM

A power supply MUST have a fan to keep cool unless specifically designed for silence w/o fans. All PSUs have a fan except ones that state silence (IE Seasonic).

There is no, better or not better ram company. 1333 - 1600 has no difference. Get the 1333 so you can save some money and put that in the budget for a psu.

Please just give us a place. We can't exactly help you if your prices are vastly different from the US. The CX600 isn't that expensive over here. In fact the CX600 isn't a good PSU either.
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April 6, 2011 9:38:52 PM

aznshinobi said:
A power supply MUST have a fan to keep cool unless specifically designed for silence w/o fans. All PSUs have a fan except ones that state silence (IE Seasonic).

There is no, better or not better ram company. 1333 - 1600 has no difference. Get the 1333 so you can save some money and put that in the budget for a psu.

Please just give us a place. We can't exactly help you if your prices are vastly different from the US. The CX600 isn't that expensive over here. In fact the CX600 isn't a good PSU either.


I didn't mean the Power supply Fan. I meant there are a lot of fans in the Nine Hundred Two case and I was worried they will take a lot of power from the PSU. I don't care much about the noise.

Im from Israel, and prices are very different (more expensive unfortunately). For example the PSU in my OP costs the equivalent of 143$. The CX600 costs the equivalent of 121$.

You can still help me though. If I can get any RAM and not worry about the speed or comapny, I can buy a more expensive PSU.

Btw, why do you think the PSU in my OP is not good? Are you familiar with Chieftec?
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April 6, 2011 10:07:02 PM

Oh, the fans won't take that much power at all.

Chieftec isn't exactly known for high quality. The CX600 isn't a great one either even though it's from Corsair. Can you give us an online retailer? From there to formulate a build for you?
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April 7, 2011 5:15:08 AM

if you are still out of your budget, you can lower your GPU to a GTX 560. It performs very well for its price compared to the 570. But get the 570 if you can, the extra VRAM will help
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April 7, 2011 4:58:46 PM

aznshinobi said:
Oh, the fans won't take that much power at all.

Chieftec isn't exactly known for high quality. The CX600 isn't a great one either even though it's from Corsair. Can you give us an online retailer? From there to formulate a build for you?


Here is the website of the shop I'm buying from if you are interested: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/. This is the HTML only catalog of all the parts they are selling. The Prices are all in ₪. To get the price in $ divide by 3.5, or use the Google function.

If I buy the same Patriot RAM but with 1333 Mhz I can afford to upgrade the PSU to a SeaSonic 850W Active PFC 80+ 12cm Fan PSU SS-850HT (Oem). It costs much cheaper then similar models, I guess this is because it is OEM. I dont think I need so much power though. What do you think? Maybe you can find a better deal on the website I provided.

Edit: There is also the SeaSonic - 620W Modular 80+ Bronze Active PFC 12cm Fan M12II-620. Do you think 620W is enough for me?
BTW, here is the full version of the shop's website if you need http://www.ksp.co.il/main.php?now_snif=KSP03 (It is not very good though so I don't recommend it). Press on the Parts button in the top left.
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April 7, 2011 6:10:50 PM

Bear in mind the cheap PSU companies way overrate their PSU's.

When Seasonic says 750W, they mean 750W +12 alone.
When someone like diablotec says 750W, they really mean 350W and 750 if you accidentally multiply by 2.

Personally, I see no reason to ever buy a PSU that's not 80+ rated.
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April 7, 2011 6:23:56 PM

CPU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11721 - 820 ILS
RAM: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11914 - 240 ILS
HDD: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=8118 - 260 ILS
CD/DVD Drive: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=10892 - 110 ILS
Case: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=8901 - 370 ILS
PSU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=9816 - 400 ILS
GPU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11135 - 790 ILS
Mobo: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=12315 - 735 ILS
Total: 3725 ILS
Really hard to work under a 3500 ILS budget since parts are so much more. The 2500K costs as much as an i7 2600 over here. So I had to skimp on some things.
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April 7, 2011 6:41:51 PM

aznshinobi said:
CPU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11721 - 820 ILS
RAM: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11914 - 240 ILS
HDD: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=8118 - 260 ILS
CD/DVD Drive: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=10892 - 110 ILS
Case: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=8901 - 370 ILS
PSU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=9816 - 400 ILS
GPU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11135 - 790 ILS
Mobo: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=12315 - 735 ILS
Total: 3725 ILS
Really hard to work under a 3500 ILS budget since parts are so much more. The 2500K costs as much as an i7 2600 over here. So I had to skimp on some things.



Wow, thanks! I didn't expect you to make an entire build for me. I was just expecting the PSU and RAM (Since that's what people in the thread told me I should change).

I know it is impossible to make a good build for 3500 NIS. My build in the OP costs 5600 NIS. I wrote the 1000$ price after checking the price of all components on newegg, because I didn't expect someone would take the time to actually check the prices in another country.
My actual budget in NIS is 5500 NIS, but I can go a little higher if necessary (Preferably not as high as 6000 though), and I made the build in my first post according to that budget. Since I was told I should improve the PSU and RAM, what do you think I should buy instead of the 2 components in my OP?

btw, thanks for the above build! Even though I'm looking for something a bit more powerful, my friend is actually looking for a build with the above budget, so it is still helpful :) .
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April 7, 2011 6:53:24 PM

Well knowing you have that budget.

CPU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11847 - 1060 ILS (+240 ILS)
PSU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=12242 - 620 ILS (+220 ILS)
GPU: Same GPU, but buy 2. - 1580 ILS (+790 ILS)
Ram: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11905 - 460 ILS (+220 ILS)
Mobo: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=12321 - 945 ILS (+210 ILS)
Total: 5405

Keep in mind this will be a Crossfire setup which maybe confusing to setup. But nothing to hard.



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April 7, 2011 6:59:36 PM

aznshinobi said:
Well knowing you have that budget.

CPU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11847 - 1060 ILS (+240 ILS)
PSU: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=12242 - 620 ILS (+220 ILS)
GPU: Same GPU, but buy 2. - 1580 ILS (+790 ILS)
Ram: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=11905 - 460 ILS (+220 ILS)
Mobo: http://www.ksp.co.il/html/part_uin.php?uin=12321 - 945 ILS (+210 ILS)
Total: 5405

Keep in mind this will be a Crossfire setup which maybe confusing to setup. But nothing to hard.


Why do you think I should change my entire setup from what I was planning in the original post at the start of the thread? Do you see other problems with it? Because I want to stay as close to it as possible.
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April 7, 2011 7:06:03 PM

One thing, the motherboard would allow for future upgrades vs a P8P67 that doesn't even offer SLI.

Another thing the 6850 CF beats a single 570.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/302?vs=306
For about the same power consumption and cost in your area.

Case-wise, no explanation, only that to shave off some money you had to skimp in some areas.

CPU is the same as when you started. Power supply will supply much more power and is certified 80+ Bronze. It was fairly cheap compared to other 750w @ it's efficiency. Also 750w allows for overclocking room and future upgrade room.
Memory I just trust Mushkin a bit more, but you can stick with your Patriot if you'd like.
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April 7, 2011 8:50:08 PM

aznshinobi said:
One thing, the motherboard would allow for future upgrades vs a P8P67 that doesn't even offer SLI.

Another thing the 6850 CF beats a single 570.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/302?vs=306
For about the same power consumption and cost in your area.

Case-wise, no explanation, only that to shave off some money you had to skimp in some areas.

CPU is the same as when you started. Power supply will supply much more power and is certified 80+ Bronze. It was fairly cheap compared to other 750w @ it's efficiency. Also 750w allows for overclocking room and future upgrade room.
Memory I just trust Mushkin a bit more, but you can stick with your Patriot if you'd like.


I prefer not to use SLI, so a mobo with no SLI is probably OK for me. I'm planing to use this PC for the next 5 years or so, so when I get to upgrading the GPU it will probably be better for me to buy a completely new one rather then use another 570 GTX.

One question though: What do you think the minimum PSU I should use if I stay with my current build? Do you think I need to get a 750W PSU if I plan to overclock in the future? If Im not using SLI a 750W PSU seems excessive. What do you think about the "SeaSonic - 620W Modular 80+ Bronze Active PFC 12cm Fan M12II-620" PSU? Is it enough Watts for my original built (If I leave everything the same and only change the PSU).

I prefer the ASUS motherboards over Gigabyte because of the new BIOS that is not used over gigabyte according to what I heard.
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April 7, 2011 10:16:03 PM

You can go ahead with the Asus P8P67 Pro, it is just more expensive.
CF = SLI, CF just is the dual card configuration of AMD. Why don't you want to use dual card if it gives you more power for less? 2 6850 > 1 570 for less.

The reason why you should get the 750 Corsair is because it'll give you head room for overclocking 2500K and running CF 6850.
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April 8, 2011 8:59:14 AM

aznshinobi said:
You can go ahead with the Asus P8P67 Pro, it is just more expensive.
CF = SLI, CF just is the dual card configuration of AMD. Why don't you want to use dual card if it gives you more power for less? 2 6850 > 1 570 for less.

The reason why you should get the 750 Corsair is because it'll give you head room for overclocking 2500K and running CF 6850.


I understand, but assuming I'm not going to run with 2 graphics card (Mainly because I dont like ATI), Do you think the 620W PSU in my above post will be enough?
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April 8, 2011 9:02:10 AM

To power what specifically? To power a single card yes. All with the exception of the 580, 6990, and 590.
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April 8, 2011 9:24:31 AM

aznshinobi said:
To power what specifically? To power a single card yes. All with the exception of the 580, 6990, and 590.


Yes, to power my setup in the first post, which has a 570 GTX card.

After reading the answers, I decided to change my RAM from the original post to a cheaper 1333 Mhz: 2x4GB Patriot Signature Heatshield Dual Channel
And change my PSU to a more reliable company: SeaSonic - 620W Modular 80+ Bronze Active PFC 12cm Fan M12II-620. (Retail)

Thank you for your help :)  .
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April 8, 2011 11:06:36 AM

Best answer selected by MikeL1.
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