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GTX 460 1gb vs ATI 6850

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February 2, 2011 11:32:32 PM

Hey all,

So I'm currently in the process of building my a ~$1000 intel build. My basis will be the i5 sandy bridge ( I know the chipsets are all messed up, but I'm waiting for the situation to be resolved then buy mobo).

I've been looking at GPU's for this build and I've been looking at the GTX 460 or the ATI 6850 and I've seen the differences of the two in comparisons and such, and I'm wondering why the GTX 460 is more expensive than the ATI 6850. Is it just cause its made by NVidia or is there an advantage I'm not seeing.

This is what I've seen thus far :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-130-570^14-130-570-TS,14-121-419^14-121-419-TS" target="_blank">

Thanks for your input.

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February 3, 2011 10:47:40 PM

It's just stupid marketing, in my opinion. The 6850 is a bit faster than the GTX 460 1GB at stock speeds.

Though for a $1000 build I'd go for a Radeon HD 6950 for $100 more. It can be flashed to 6970 speeds, effectively becoming a 6970 for $30-$40 cheaper.

What kind of gaming do you plan on doing anyway?
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February 3, 2011 11:08:00 PM

Most GTX460's you will find for sale are factory overclocked models with custom cooling. They will be much better than the stock ones you might see in a 6850 benchmark review. You also get PhysX, better DirectX 11 tesselation performance, better drivers, 3D Vision capability, etc.

For example:


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-geforce-gtx-46...
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February 4, 2011 12:10:58 AM

I had a 6850 but switched it out to a 560 when it became available. Was a tough choice between that and the 6950 but the extra length of the latter + the slightly higher price made me go with the 560 instead. Either way, all 4 of them are great cards, but an extra 50 or so bucks can definitely help make you slightly more future proof IMHO.

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February 4, 2011 12:31:45 AM

sartorius said:
It's just stupid marketing, in my opinion. The 6850 is a bit faster than the GTX 460 1GB at stock speeds.

Though for a $1000 build I'd go for a Radeon HD 6950 for $100 more. It can be flashed to 6970 speeds, effectively becoming a 6970 for $30-$40 cheaper.

What kind of gaming do you plan on doing anyway?



I'm planning on playing starcraft II and the Total War series. Also I plan to use this computer as a media computer and port over to a 37 inch 1080p LCD Tv.

The big thing also I don't want to spend more than about $200 for a card. And I want to eventually SLI/Crossfire it when it starts getting too slow.
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February 4, 2011 1:06:32 AM

17seconds said:
Most GTX460's you will find for sale are factory overclocked models with custom cooling. They will be much better than the stock ones you might see in a 6850 benchmark review. You also get PhysX, better DirectX 11 tesselation performance, better drivers, 3D Vision capability, etc.

For example:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/W/O/270744/original/Average%20Perf.png
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-geforce-gtx-46...



Ok, cause most of the threads I saw the HD 6850 was blowing the GTX 460 out of the water, sorry I don't have the charts I can't find them again.

Also the 460 twin frozr is the wrong card. I'm looking for the 1gb version.
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February 4, 2011 1:57:34 AM

tigerfries said:
Ok, cause most of the threads I saw the HD 6850 was blowing the GTX 460 out of the water, sorry I don't have the charts I can't find them again.

There was also a well-documented image quality optimization that inflated the benchmark scores of the 6850 by about 6%, but at the expense of image quality. The issue was mostly fixed in the latest 11.1 drivers.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-570-gf1...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/exploring-ati-image-quali...

MSI GTX460 1GB Hawk $179 after rebate w/free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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February 4, 2011 10:57:37 AM

17seconds said:
There was also a well-documented image quality optimization that inflated the benchmark scores of the 6850 by about 6%, but at the expense of image quality. The issue was mostly fixed in the latest 11.1 drivers.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-570-gf1...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/exploring-ati-image-quali...

MSI GTX460 1GB Hawk $179 after rebate w/free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/C/270768/original/StarCraft2%201920.png



So your recommendation would be to go with the GTX 460 thats overclocked over a the 6850? The biggest reason for this thread is try and justify why the 460 was more expensive than the 6850.
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February 4, 2011 4:28:48 PM

tigerfries said:
So your recommendation would be to go with the GTX 460 thats overclocked over a the 6850? The biggest reason for this thread is try and justify why the 460 was more expensive than the 6850.

The real reason for the lower prices is that Nvidia's new 500 series has been a huge success, and AMD has responded by lowering their prices to compete.
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February 4, 2011 5:38:45 PM

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the GTX 460 is more expensive but performs the same as the HD6850?

My Answer may sound a little bias :) 

1.They have a fan base larger than AMD's due to the crappy HD2k/3k days
With that, in most circumstances, they have the cards priced higher than a competitor's card but with it having only having the same performance. ANd yet, they can still sell it............

Eg. Intel's Pentium 4s during the Athlon days......



2. They have so called more features
PhysX ( They sanctioned it from Radeon GPUs, although they can technically run it)
CUDA ( AMD has APP, but thanks to those monkeys in marketing, not many ppl know about it)
3D vision (useless...........)


3. They are mostly OC, though most just a few mhz over the stock.......


Ok, but this doesn't really tell me why I should go 6850 over 460. I'm not a fan boy for either so I haven't done/nor have the time to do a ton of research on this. From what I see the 6850 is not a factory oc'd card, however you can buy a 460 that is factory oc'd. The Physx would cool and everything but I'm not planning on playing metro 2033 so I don't know if it is something I'm in need of.

Also, however as a techno-n00b is there a benefit to buying it factory oc'd instead of trying to figure it out myself. As I said before these two cards seemed to be very similar but I'm trying to see what justification there is to buying a factory oc's 460 vs 6850.
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February 4, 2011 5:58:48 PM

tigerfries said:
Ok, but this doesn't really tell me why I should go 6850 over 460. I'm not a fan boy for either so I haven't done/nor have the time to do a ton of research on this. From what I see the 6850 is not a factory oc'd card, however you can buy a 460 that is factory oc'd. The Physx would cool and everything but I'm not planning on playing metro 2033 so I don't know if it is something I'm in need of.

Also, however as a techno-n00b is there a benefit to buying it factory oc'd instead of trying to figure it out myself. As I said before these two cards seemed to be very similar but I'm trying to see what justification there is to buying a factory oc's 460 vs 6850.

The 460 will deliver higher frame rates.

With the new Catalyst 11.1 drivers, the image quality issue (see below) was partially addressed, but as a result the default performance of the 6850 will be lower by about 6% than the benchmarks you have seen.

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"For the time being, we're going to have to leave everything at default and point out the observed and confirmed image quality issue currently affecting Radeon HD 6800-series cards. This may or may not become a factor in your buying decision, but right now, the bottom line is that Nvidia offers better texture filtering, regardless of whether you’re one of the folks who can appreciate it."
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-570-gf1...
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February 4, 2011 10:28:05 PM

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It still depends on what game u play

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie...

If u're playing Blizzard games or some Nvidia games, I would lean towards a Geforce
If u're playing bad Company 2, Just cause 2, and some game that benefit more from AMD chips, go Radeon.



But seriously, with that kind of budget, consider jumping to a HD6950



I'm building a i5 sb ( yes I know of the mobo troubles, I'm weathering the storm on that one). my budget is <$1000 and my goal is to play games and use as a entertainment computer that will be hooked up to a 37'' tv and 24" monitor.
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February 4, 2011 11:27:06 PM

tigerfries said:
I'm building a i5 sb ( yes I know of the mobo troubles, I'm weathering the storm on that one). my budget is <$1000 and my goal is to play games and use as a entertainment computer that will be hooked up to a 37'' tv and 24" monitor.




If I were you, with that budget to build a PC, I'd get a GTX 560 Ti. No question about it.

GTX 460 is last year's news. (And I own a GTX 460 1GB, so...).

Cheers!
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February 5, 2011 2:54:44 AM

instead of spending 219 on the gtx460, why not go for the 5870 if its the same price?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

it will beat it in every game out there while being on stock clocks, and can be easily overclocked to achieve higher fps later on.
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February 5, 2011 3:36:36 AM

If you're concerned about budget, I'd agree with intelx comment for single card set-up, if you want to crossfire in the future I have seen many reviews stating that the 6800 series scales much better in crossfire than the 5800. I'm not all too familiar with nvidia cards, but I was definitely considering an overclocked GTX 460 until the 6870 series came out at a fair price.
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February 5, 2011 5:38:12 AM

Best answer selected by tigerfries.
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February 5, 2011 5:39:18 AM

After looking at all the advice I was given, I decided to go the extra mile on the budget and go with the GTX 560. Thank you everyone for your advice.
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February 5, 2011 6:39:11 AM

i will go for 560 ti which is the latest one it has better Dx performane btr Physix and every think which can beat its rivals.. go for it even if you have to spend a little more and yes it has btr support from Nvidea warranty drivers of Nvidea Etc.
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February 5, 2011 10:07:21 AM

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