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April 8, 2011 6:50:34 AM
April 8, 2011 8:20:19 AM
April 8, 2011 5:11:02 PM

Do not build with Nehalem (i7-950). Build with Sandy Bridge (i5-2500K). It's newer, better*, and cheaper. Start here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

RAM: Buy the G.Skill Snipers for $75 now. You can get $10 cheaper for Patriot with a large rebate, but this is pretty much the best option you see.

CPU Cooler: Wow! That Xigmatek Gaia beats the Hyper 212+ AND for the same price? Impressive.

CPU: Always buy your CPU at Microcenter if you can because it'll save you $50. Good CPU/mobo combo find Proximon. I'd save and buy the MSI myself. But the ASUS Pro will probably let you hit a higher OC.


Differences from Proximon's parts.

Haf 932 is just too expensive. I'd get a similar sized case with four star reviews on sale for $100. I got the Azza Solano 1000R for $80 and can't think of a single reason I would've wanted to pay $150. It's sturdy, attractive (personal taste), and has exceptional airflow.

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. It's on sale for $55 every other week on Newegg. It matches WD Caviar Blacks in performance.

Graphics: I have no idea why he would recommend a 6950 1GB. Get a 2GB version because it's the same price, has double the frame buffer, and can be unlocked to 6970 performance. That or a GTX 560 Ti. The 6950 1GB is a bad choice.

PSU: Corsair TX series is plenty good. If you have a good case, it has a backplate to hide extra cords behind so modular isn't very useful. But if you have an extra $50 that you aren't willing to spend on graphics, it's not a bad buy at all.

*X58 supports 16x/16x PCI-e, which is useful in dual GTX 580 scenarios, but not worth it in the vast majority of scenarios.
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April 8, 2011 5:20:38 PM

To echo everyone else, I advise you to get the Intel® Core™ I5 2500K. It runs cooler and takes less power and best of all it will out performance the Core I7 950 at less money.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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April 8, 2011 5:55:05 PM

What's machine for ? If gaming,a s others have said, the Sandy Bridge stuff offers a better / faster / cheaper alternative. If you doing 3D Rendering, intense CAD, movie editing, massive spreadsheets / databases, and some other specialized apps, 1366 remains the better choice.

Case - $155 - Antec DF-85 In the recent past I have used Antec 1200, HAF-X, HAF-932, HAF-933, P193, 1200 and others but the DF-85 tops them all in features and is the easiest builds. The HAF-X runs a close 2nd but the 922/932/1200 are outdated and missing features like front USB 3 ports
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU - $110 - Antec CP-850 In addition to giving it a10.0 performance rating, Jonnyguru said it best:
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It is completely unmatched by any ATX unit on the market I can think of. You'd have to spend twice as much as this thing costs to find the next best thing, performance wise.

If ya get the HAF-X or anything else, the XFX Black Edition 850 also gets a 10.0 rating and is cheaper than anything comparable from Corsair.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case Fan - Later - Antec 120 mm Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MoBo - $395 - ASUS P8P67 Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl above - Intel Core i5-2500K

Cooler - $40 - Scythe Mugen 2 beats the Hyper 212 by 7C and only $10 more.... could find several better but Sandy Brisge OC's are not limited by Heat .... A Silver Arrow for example will give lower temps but won't get you a higher OC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 Shin Etsu 751 Its all that AS5 has to offer w/o the 200 hour curing time.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - $84 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 I use CAS 7 Mushkins in any build in the $1500 neighborhood. If budget allows consider something w/ lower latency.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/12

22.3 % (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in Far Cry 2
18% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in Sawn of war
15% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in World in Conflict

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - $215 - Gigabte GTX 560 Ti 900 Mhz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Same Same
The factory OC'd 900Mhz model almost matches the 570 and toasts the 6950

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game) for the various options (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with cost per frame in brackets [single card - SLI or CF].

6850 (371/634) [$0.42 - $0.49]
6950 (479/751) [$0.51 - $0.65]
560 Ti (455/792) [$0.53 - $0.61]
6970 (526/825) [$0.64 - $0.81]
560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) [$0.43 - $0.50]
570 (524/873) [$0.64 - $0.77]
580 (616/953) [$0.81 - $1.05]
6990 (762/903) [$0.95 - $1.61]
590 (881/982) [$0.79 - $1.43]

HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - later - Vertex 3 120 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That will run ya just under $1,100
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April 8, 2011 8:20:38 PM

dalauder said:

Graphics: I have no idea why he would recommend a 6950 1GB. Get a 2GB version because it's the same price, has double the frame buffer, and can be unlocked to 6970 performance. That or a GTX 560 Ti. The 6950 1GB is a bad choice.

PSU: Corsair TX series is plenty good. If you have a good case, it has a backplate to hide extra cords behind so modular isn't very useful. But if you have an extra $50 that you aren't willing to spend on graphics, it's not a bad buy at all.

*X58 supports 16x/16x PCI-e, which is useful in dual GTX 580 scenarios, but not worth it in the vast majority of scenarios.



Me either. It was late I suppose :)  6950 2Gb version for sure.

Yes that Seagate drive recommendation was definitely not thought out, but I think it might be the faster drive for gaming... I'll have to look again.


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April 8, 2011 8:24:12 PM

Jack, nice spreadsheet but I have to wonder about all the variables. Is that yours or theirs?
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April 9, 2011 1:15:22 AM

Wow! So I'm getting like >5% increase in framerates over most people because my RAM's running at 1915MHz CL6? I didn't realize the benefit was that big! I was guessing more like 2%.

As usual, JackNaylor not only made some great suggestions, but provided references to back it up. The GTX 560 Ti at $215 is an amazing buy.

What about overclocking a GTX 570? That definitely isn't as monetarily efficient (although if you can get one for $280, it's not bad). But it should OC to near GTX 580 performance based on Fermi trends.
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April 9, 2011 1:55:08 AM

JackNaylorPE said:


http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/12

22.3 % (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in Far Cry 2
18% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in Sawn of war
15% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in World in Conflict





22.3%? 18%? What are you talking about Jack?

What the article actually says:

"Average frame rates are up an astounding (had to make it interesting) 1% utilizing 1200 C5 over 2000 C8 while minimum frame rates improve by a ground shattering 0% when moving from 1200 C5 to 2000 C8 in single card results. In SLI operation, average frame rates improve by a familiar 1% as we crank up memory speed while minimum frame rates are 1% better when using 1200 C5 compared to 2000 C8. Obviously, the impact on actual game performance was nonexistent with any of our memory choices." [Bold added by me.]

What the charts actually say:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/10

Far Cry 2 1680x1050
1333 CL 9 = 51 FPS Minimum
1333 CL 7 = 51 FPS Minimum
1600 CL9 = 52 FPS Minimum

Left for Dead
1333 CL 9 = 72 FPS Minimum
1333 CL 7 = 73 FPS Minimum
1600 CL9 = 72 FPS Minimum

Dawn of War
1333 CL 9 = 13 FPS Minimum
1333 CL 7 = 15 FPS Minimum
1600 CL9 = 13 FPS Minimum


I'm not really sure what Jack was trying to say there actually, as he recommended 1600 CL 9 RAM. Perhaps the percentages were typos or I'm misinterpreting what they mean.






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