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April 9, 2011 11:25:15 AM

my computer died about a month ago and i have been waiting for this re-release, meanwhile sharing a computer with my bf which has been a nightmare since we both game at any free moment. i have tried to browse through all the postings and come up with a build on my own, but it's been a long time since i've bought parts for a build so this is giving me a terrible migraine and i would appreciate any help on this.

Approximate Purchase Date: within the next week

Budget Range: hoping to do $1000 max (preferably before but open to after rebates) though willing to go a little higher depending on the reason

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, internet, MS office, photoshop

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, (samsung syncmaster px2370), headset (but would like to reserve some money for new mouse and hs soon)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: amazon.com (newegg charges too much for shipping to HI these days)

Country of Origin: US

Parts Preferences: Intel, Asus, Nvidia preferred

Overclocking: light overclocking if necessary and/or if i feel ambitious

SLI or Crossfire: not within the next 5 years

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: i live in hawaii and no AC at the moment so temp can be/is an issue. i have 3 computers including this new one in the house (all of which are turned on and used daily, 1 of which is on for most of the day, an i7-950 build) and my grandmother has alzheimer's and commonly leaves things on and running so electricity usage is an issue. and unfortunately, i am a girl and although performance outweighs looks, there is still a slight importance on the aesthetic value of my rig despite the fact that nobody really sees it (my color scheme is black/blue/silver ish)

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What's currently in my amazon shopping cart:

Case: Zalman Z9 plus (pretty set on this because of its aesthetics and airflow for temp control which was pretty good per some reviews i read...and <3 zalman)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I44G5E/ref=ox_sc_a...

MB: ASUS P8P67 Pro (all my previous MBs were asus with no early problems, color wise i'd prefer the GB but this is where i compromised color for familiarity)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QF0VD6/ref=ox_sc_a...

CPU: Intel i5-2500k (likely getting the hyper 212+ for this)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EBUXHQ/ref=ox_sc_a...

PSU: Corsair 750HX (this is a brand + 80 plus cert + color + hybrid cable pick)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0029F21LK/ref=ox_sc_a...

GPU: ASUS GTX460 1GB (i play counter strike 1.6, bad company 2, hon, team fortress 2, and various other games...this should be sufficient right?)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WUXNPE/ref=ox_sc_a...

RE: RAM - i understand everyone is recommending the g.skill ripjaws 4gb. per my comment above, the red is gonna bother me...is there anything comparable to that for performance and reliability but is black or blue?

RE: SSD/HDD - where did WD go? they used to be decent right? anywho, if it goes too high total price wise, i'll stick with just an HDD...unless you guys highly advise against doing so with good reason (ie if i don't go ssd now i can't later without it being a huge hassle, etc.) i really don't know anything about this part whatsoever

RE: optical - something cheap with a black face to put in there...it's really gonna go untouched besides windows install (btw i'll be on a vista 64-bit)

RE: thermal glue - i read arctic silver 5 is crap compared to new stuff (yes, it's been a WHILE for me) so what's good now?

to reiterate, i would appreciate help asap as the battle for the computer is weighing on my patience for my bf :na:  and is making me go :pt1cable: 
i realize my requirements are a bit annoying, and i'll admit if i read this from another girl i'd roll my eyes too...but i can't help it, my last build 6+ years ago was all lit up blue in a silver finished windowed case and ran great at the time so i think you guys can definitely help me :D 

thank you in advance

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April 9, 2011 8:19:00 PM

Love the case choice (I call it the Zombie case)

I still use arctic silver and my CPU Temps are great.

RAM
The RipJaws X come in colors according to latency here are some blue/black on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC3-12800-1600MHz-Ripjaws...

DVD/CD burner
I stick with Lite-on or ASUS your choice, here is both.
http://www.amazon.com/Lite--LightScribe-Layer-Drive-IHA...
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-DVD%C2%B1RW-DVD-RAM-Internal...
HD
here is a descent WD HD for gaming. Both are good the 1TB has 64mb of cache, so it will be a little faster. pick the one that fits best into the budget.
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Cache-Enterprise-...
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Desktop-WD...
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April 10, 2011 9:30:04 AM

ohohoho thank you very much for your feedback. couple questions:

1. for the ripjaws x with the black heatsink...is that for the cl6 only? i really like more than the blue heatsink but i don't necessarily wanna spend $100 on 4gb...i'm very picky about blues

2. did you recommend a wd hdd because i asked about it? i see a lot of people going samsung and i'm open to whatever is a good deal for the reliability. and thoughts on the ssd?

3. as for the gpu...i wish the asus used blue instead of red >.< after all, their mobo is blue. and i've had msi so i'm open to it, but is that board brown? i know i'm overkill on the color issue...but i absolutely hate brown.

and your build looks awesome and if i was more open to spending more money, i'd make it all flashy like that as well (minus the handle case, no offense...is that to make it easy to carry? hehehe)
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April 10, 2011 2:14:33 PM

tamOchi said:
AHA~! found this
ripjaws x 4gb 1333 = black~!!! any objections?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and nm about the gpu...i'm taking your advice on the msi gtx560 ti after reading reviews and comparisons



Good Ram as long as you are Ok with 1333 speed. most i5 2500k builds put in 1600 for the Overclock. though running at CL 7 with those you will probably be just as fast as the as the OC'd 1600'a @ CL8 or 9.

here is the the same in 1600 for $80.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both are good just giving you options
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April 10, 2011 3:02:03 PM

tamOchi said:
ohohoho thank you very much for your feedback. couple questions:

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2. did you recommend a wd hdd because i asked about it? i see a lot of people going samsung and i'm open to whatever is a good deal for the reliability.


yes and no. these are solid drives as is the Samsung brand. I chose these based on your familiarity with WD and because they are good for gaming and reliable. If I were to build for myself I would use WD also.
the 1TB WD I recommended will be faster that any of the Samsungs as they only use 16 or 32 mb of cache in their drives.

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and thoughts on the ssd?

I love my SSD, my levels load so quickly. A L4D2 level takes 6 or 7 seconds with the SSD and my other system takes 20 seconds, and it's a 150gb 10000 rpm WD Raptor. Once you put one game on it you will get spoiled and want to put all your games on it. That being said, If you go with a SSD you will need a 115GB or larger. Win7 and associated system stuff takes up about 30GB's. My Steam library of games is about 100GB (I have a 240GB SSD). I would recommend any Sandforce based SSD except OCZ (they have issues right now).

I would recommend these brands. they will run around $220
Mushkin 120 GB SSD
G.skill Sniper 120GB SSD
Corsiar Force series (34nm NAND) 120GB or 115GB.

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3. as for the gpu...i wish the asus used blue instead of red >.< after all, their mobo is blue. and i've had msi so i'm open to it, but is that board brown? i know i'm overkill on the color issue...but i absolutely hate brown.

roflmao... I understand, my GTX 570's are black and red, kind of runs against my blue theme in my lan rig.
here are some options. I used the newegg links so you can see the pics. you can shop on Amazon to see if they are available there if you like any of them. these are all solid cards. If I was building with the 560 ti I would go with the MSI TwinFrozer or the Sparkle.

Sparkle GTX 560 Ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
EVGA Crysis edition (a little pricey and a brown card?? front side is cool though)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI GTX 560 Ti TwinFrozer (black/chrome and again a brown card?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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and your build looks awesome and if i was more open to spending more money, i'd make it all flashy like that as well (minus the handle case, no offense...is that to make it easy to carry? hehehe)


Thanx. yes, the idea is to carry it to LAN parties and Travelling. Better than lugging a full size ATX case, but I added another GTX570 in SLI and the thing now weighs 35lbs. So much for the light a portable idea, but still better than ATX case.
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April 11, 2011 6:15:51 AM

You could always get one of those backpack straps to lug it with you to lan parties.

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For thermal paste, Noctua's NT-H1 is quite good, arctic silver is quite outdated now, it's only going to be a 5-10c difference at best either way.
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April 11, 2011 8:43:30 AM

farsuka said:
You could always get one of those backpack straps to lug it with you to lan parties.

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For thermal paste, Noctua's NT-H1 is quite good, arctic silver is quite outdated now, it's only going to be a 5-10c difference at best either way.


Actually I was thinking of a padded rolling tuff box :-)

you think the difference in thermal paste would be that dramatic? I guess I will have to google and see if someone test thermal paste recently.
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April 11, 2011 9:03:08 AM

i actually went w/the msi (purchased before i read your replies)...just can't look at the underside of the card /HAHA

weird thing though is that amazon won't ship only that to hawaii claiming some manufacturer restriction. so i had to get it at newegg which sucks because they rip us off on shipping since they only offer 2nd day air which is retarded because it's not a requirement for shipping companies but o well...i only paid $22 with the ram too which is surprising because even if i were to order just a tube of thermal paste, they charge $18.80 O.o

as for the ram i stuck w/the 1333 because i'm not planning to oc just yet, the price difference pays for my shipping charge, and either way it's a step up from what i had.

and for the thermal paste, i was reading this
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
without noticing the publish date =[ and went w/the Shin-Etsu MicroSi X-23 7783D because i'm biased for japanese companies/products
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April 11, 2011 1:27:30 PM

tamOchi said:
i actually went w/the msi (purchased before i read your replies)...just can't look at the underside of the card /HAHA

weird thing though is that amazon won't ship only that to hawaii claiming some manufacturer restriction. so i had to get it at newegg which sucks because they rip us off on shipping since they only offer 2nd day air which is retarded because it's not a requirement for shipping companies but o well...i only paid $22 with the ram too which is surprising because even if i were to order just a tube of thermal paste, they charge $18.80 O.o

as for the ram i stuck w/the 1333 because i'm not planning to oc just yet, the price difference pays for my shipping charge, and either way it's a step up from what i had.

and for the thermal paste, i was reading this
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
without noticing the publish date =[ and went w/the Shin-Etsu MicroSi X-23 7783D because i'm biased for japanese companies/products


I just was going to post you that very link on thermal paste, but you beat me to it. lol

too bad about the extra shipping cost :(  I guess it's the cost of living in paradise :) 

let us know how your "black and blue" build turns out.
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April 20, 2011 7:05:35 PM

just wondering how the build is going?
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April 25, 2011 11:50:06 PM

HI
so i finally received my last part (the mobo) on thursday, even though ups.com said it was left in my garage on tuesday O.o and finally built it saturday evening. i would've liked to have built it on thursday but that's what working and being sick will do to you.

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http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Expr [...] B004JLNZXU $249.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
MSI GeForce GTX560 1 GB DDR5 2DVI/Mini HDMI PCI-Express Video Card N560GTX TI TWIN FROZR II OC

they wouldn't ship it to hawaii

anyway, so final build: zalman z9 plus + corsair hx750 + asus p8p67 pro + i5-2500k + msi gtx560 ti + ripjaws x 1333 4gb + samsung spinpoint + lite-on lightscribe = one very happy girl~!

finished w/the majority of my program installations yesterday and so far so good w/the exception of having to re-seat the ram sticks due to the bios not detecting one of them, but it was fixed. and like i told my friend, who thought it was crazy that anyone would be willing to give me suggestions w/all my color limitations, it's so pretty but too bad it has to sit in a corner /HAHA
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April 25, 2011 11:52:50 PM

tamOchi said:
HI
so i finally received my last part (the mobo) on thursday, even though ups.com said it was left in my garage on tuesday O.o and finally built it saturday evening. i would've liked to have built it on thursday but that's what working and being sick will do to you.

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http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Expr [...] B004JLNZXU $249.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
MSI GeForce GTX560 1 GB DDR5 2DVI/Mini HDMI PCI-Express Video Card N560GTX TI TWIN FROZR II OC

they wouldn't ship it to hawaii

anyway, so final build: zalman z9 plus + corsair hx750 + asus p8p67 pro + i5-2500k + msi gtx560 ti + ripjaws x 1333 4gb + samsung spinpoint + lite-on lightscribe = one very happy girl~!

finished w/the majority of my program installations yesterday and so far so good w/the exception of having to re-seat the ram sticks due to the bios not detecting one of them, but it was fixed. and like i told my friend, who thought it was crazy that anyone would be willing to give me suggestions w/all my color limitations, it's so pretty but too bad it has to sit in a corner /HAHA

Nice ! :) 
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April 26, 2011 6:53:52 AM

tamOchi said:

and like i told my friend, who thought it was crazy that anyone would be willing to give me suggestions w/all my color limitations, it's so pretty but too bad it has to sit in a corner /HAHA


but you will always know whats inside :)  and the Z9 has a pretty blue glow to remind you.

Glad your Rig is up and running. does it perform as well as you expected?
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April 26, 2011 7:49:47 AM

so far it's been pretty good, granted i've only played cs on it so far.

quick question though...so i'm a little bit worried about my cpu temps since i didn't get the hyper 212+ yet. downloaded speedfan and my cpu temp shows -60C and hasn't changed? wth O.o

so i downloaded core temp and hwmonitor, and they both break it down by cores...when should i be worried?
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April 26, 2011 9:40:01 AM

tamOchi said:
so far it's been pretty good, granted i've only played cs on it so far.

quick question though...so i'm a little bit worried about my cpu temps since i didn't get the hyper 212+ yet. downloaded speedfan and my cpu temp shows -60C and hasn't changed? wth O.o

so i downloaded core temp and hwmonitor, and they both break it down by cores...when should i be worried?


at idle you should be seeing ~40C ish. under a full load with a stock cooler may be in the high 60's or low 70's. Try D/L ing CPU-Z and Prime 95. run CPU Z and have it record temp and then run prime 95 for a couple minutes. Prime 95 will max out your CPU temps, as long as it doesn't go over 80C you should be fine. My temps with the CM Gemini II are 30C idle and 60C full load/Prime 95

here is a chart that shows the standard intel box cooler vs others (its not for a SB CPU, but heat is heat).

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-h70-liquid-...
if you are still concerned, I would look around for one the goes with your colors/theme and buy it as funds become available. Most after market coolers cool better than the stock one. You should be able to replace it with out removing the MB since your case has a cut out under the CPU.


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May 16, 2011 10:58:05 AM

this is a little late on the reply but i haven't been checking my email. plus when i last posted, i hadn't played as much yet. but ok so at idle, i run maybe 35-40ish, about 50 while playing cs, and about 60 playing hon at night. during the day though, it'll run about 5-10 higher. seeing as how i play more cs than i do hon, i think i'm in ok shape. but just to put my mind at ease, i think i'm about to order the hyper 212+ for me and my bf cuz it's approaching summer in hawaii and it's already been hot as hell here when there's no trade winds.
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May 16, 2011 3:39:38 PM

tamOchi said:
this is a little late on the reply but i haven't been checking my email. plus when i last posted, i hadn't played as much yet. but ok so at idle, i run maybe 35-40ish, about 50 while playing cs, and about 60 playing hon at night. during the day though, it'll run about 5-10 higher. seeing as how i play more cs than i do hon, i think i'm in ok shape. but just to put my mind at ease, i think i'm about to order the hyper 212+ for me and my bf cuz it's approaching summer in hawaii and it's already been hot as hell here when there's no trade winds.




go with a CM Gemini II S, the Hyper 212 wont fit over your RipJaw ram sticks :( 

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-GeminII-Aluminum-He...

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June 5, 2011 11:47:13 AM

wait howcome?
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June 5, 2011 7:41:40 PM

tamOchi said:
wait howcome?



The clearance isn't enough because of the RipJaws tall heatsinks. Its about 3mm too little. on the the Motherboards I have tried. your's maybe the exception, I haven't tried that particular combo. you also could always just use ram slot 2 and 4 instead of 1 and 3.
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July 7, 2011 8:35:50 PM

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and thoughts on the ssd?

I love my SSD, my levels load so quickly. A L4D2 level takes 6 or 7 seconds with the SSD and my other system takes 20 seconds, and it's a 150gb 10000 rpm WD Raptor. Once you put one game on it you will get spoiled and want to put all your games on it. That being said, If you go with a SSD you will need a 115GB or larger. Win7 and associated system stuff takes up about 30GB's. My Steam library of games is about 100GB (I have a 240GB SSD). I would recommend any Sandforce based SSD except OCZ (they have issues right now).

I would recommend these brands. they will run around $220
Mushkin 120 GB SSD
G.skill Sniper 120GB SSD
Corsiar Force series (34nm NAND) 120GB or 115GB.


I could not help but notice as I read through this post that you noted to stay away from the sandforce based OCZ ssd's. This concerns me because I was going to get their vortex 3 120gb ssd because of the results shown in another Tom's Hardware article. link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-320-cruci... Can you verify that they are still having issues or that they have resolved those issues? I would hate to get one and find out that the one that got reviewed was one of a few that did not have issues.
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July 7, 2011 8:58:25 PM


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I could not help but notice as I read through this post that you noted to stay away from the sandforce based OCZ ssd's. This concerns me because I was going to get their vortex 3 120gb ssd because of the results shown in another Tom's Hardware article. link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-320-cruci... Can you verify that they are still having issues or that they have resolved those issues? I would hate to get one and find out that the one that got reviewed was one of a few that did not have issues.


the Vertex 3's do not have the problem the 25nm Vertex2's did. They seem to be doing ok. I haven't heard of any issues with them. though the newegg reviewers seem to have a love hate relationship going on. I have been installing Corsair M4 series SSDs as of late. no issues so far. the read specs are close to the Vertex3, but they only get about half the write speed. even at that speed they are faster than everything , but the Vertex 3's and seem to be rock solid. just remember to hook it up to a SATA 6Gb port to get max performance.

hope this helps.
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July 7, 2011 9:18:36 PM

jerreddredd said:
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I could not help but notice as I read through this post that you noted to stay away from the sandforce based OCZ ssd's. This concerns me because I was going to get their vortex 3 120gb ssd because of the results shown in another Tom's Hardware article. link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ssd-320-cruci... Can you verify that they are still having issues or that they have resolved those issues? I would hate to get one and find out that the one that got reviewed was one of a few that did not have issues.


the Vertex 3's do not have the problem the 25nm Vertex2's did. They seem to be doing ok. I haven't heard of any issues with them. though the newegg reviewers seem to have a love hate relationship going on. I have been installing Corsair M4 series SSDs as of late. no issues so far. the read specs are close to the Vertex3, but they only get about half the write speed. even at that speed they are faster than everything , but the Vertex 3's and seem to be rock solid. just remember to hook it up to a SATA 6Gb port to get max performance.

hope this helps.


It does help, thank you. When you say corsair M4, did you mean Crucial M4? I will definitely be plugging it into a 6gb port. I'm actually in the process of researching all my parts for a build I plan to do in the next 2-3 months. I will have to check into the reviews on newegg and the price differences between the two. One last question if you don't mind. I'm going to be building this rig as a primarily gaming rig with the SSD as my OS and game storage. As such, and from what I have understood reading thus far, read performance is the main thing I need to worry about in whichever SSD I get correct? I can't see a game needing to write data during play, only during an install, and I'm not too concerned with it being able to write the fastest as long as it will play the best. I'd much rather spend the extra money on the gpu or such.
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July 8, 2011 12:07:57 PM

JRay said:
It does help, thank you. When you say corsair M4, did you mean Crucial M4?


yes, I guess i had Corsair on my mind at the time. Crucial M4 - very solid.

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As such, and from what I have understood reading thus far, read performance is the main thing I need to worry about in whichever SSD I get correct? I can't see a game needing to write data during play, only during an install, and I'm not too concerned with it being able to write the fastest as long as it will play the best. I'd much rather spend the extra money on the gpu or such.


I look for Performance, but also reliability. look at the reviews on newegg for issues and DOA or dead after a month and those type things.

any of the 2nd and 3rd generation SSD's are going to be blazing fast. I wouldn't sweat small sequential read differences 400M vs 500M. as for sequential write I would say anything over 200m is good even around 150 would be better than most HDD's.
The random read/write 4k files is an important spec. this is the normal write mode for apps and games (reading/writing small files) you will want to see 20k IOPS here or better. I would go for 40-50k IOPS. (just my opinion)

Some specs:

Crucial M4
Max Read:............415 MB/s
Max Write:............260 MB/s
Random 4k Read:...40,000 IOPS
Random 4k Write:...50,000 IOPS

Vertex 3
Max Read:.............550 MB/s
Max Write:............500 MB/s
4KB Random Read:..20,000 IOPS (75 MB/s)
4KB Random Write:..60,000 IOPS (235 MB/s)

Intel 320 series
Sequential Read:.........450 MB/s
Sequential Write:........210 MB/s
Random 4k max Read:..20,000 IOPS
Random 4k max Write:..8,000 IOPS

Typical SF 1200 SSD (Muskin, G.Skill, Corsair)
Max Read:...............285MB/s
Max Write:..............275MB/s
Random 4k Read:.....not tested
Random 4k Write:....20,000-50,000 IOPS




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July 8, 2011 8:38:41 PM

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I look for Performance, but also reliability. look at the reviews on newegg for issues and DOA or dead after a month and those type things.

any of the 2nd and 3rd generation SSD's are going to be blazing fast. I wouldn't sweat small sequential read differences 400M vs 500M. as for sequential write I would say anything over 200m is good even around 150 would be better than most HDD's.
The random read/write 4k files is an important spec. this is the normal write mode for apps and games (reading/writing small files) you will want to see 20k IOPS here or better. I would go for 40-50k IOPS. (just my opinion)



I just lost my entire reply to you. Time to start over.
I have looked through all the reviews of the intel 320 and M4 reviews on newegg, and the first few pages of the vertex 3. The vertex 3 is indeed having issues as you said, even if it is a great performer when it works. The m4 is another great performer, and while it is not having quite as many issues as the vertex 3, it is still having a good number of issues. The intel 320 was the only one that didn't seem to have major issues, although some people were having a few problems with setup. I also took the time to go through all the older crucual realssd c300 reviews and look at it's performance numbers here on Tom's Hardware. It looks like a solid drive in performance, occasionally beating the M4 but more often than not coming in just behind it, which is still good. What I like about the C300 the most though is the reviews compared to the M4. They don't seem to have quite as many issues as the M4 in the reviews.

If only the intel 320 had the performance of the vertex 3, or the vertex 3 or M4 had the reliability of the 320 huh? Anyway, I will probably look at the other ssd's you listed, both on here and on newegg's reviews. I just get this gut feeling that I'd be one of the unlucky customers that got a bad vertex 3 or M4 if I went for one trying to get the best performers, or feel like I cut myself short getting the 320 for reliability. Any input on that? For example, am I overthinking this like I have a tendency to do? Haha!

If you had to recommend two drives, what would they be and in what order and why?

I think it might also help you to know I play WoW and will be getting Guild Wars 2 when they finally release it. In addition, here is what I have planned to put in my build so far:
Intel i5-2500k
ASRock z68 extreme4 MB
G.Skill Ripjaw F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL ram (2x4g 1600mhz, CAS 9 timing.(read it can be safely tightened to CAS 7 at 1600mhz))
Samsung spinpoint 3 1TB (HD103SJ) (as a secondary to store files like music, movies, and pictures)
AMD HD 6950 video card (eventually plan to Crossfire 2 of these bad boys.)
Windows 7 OS 64-bit

As for the rest, I have not yet researched and decided on an optical drive, PSU, cooling system, or case. I will also have to figure out what keyboard, mouse, and monitor I want to get. I currently have a 1280x1084 and I think having at least a little extra space would suit me, so I'm thinking of going with a 23" monitor with 1920x1080 resolution; like the dell one that was reviewed on here. Here's a link to it: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us...


Edit: I should also probably mention, I plan to OC to around 4.6-4.8ghz if possible. I've been focusing more on selecting parts than the details of OC'ing, though I've been making sure the parts are capable of OC'ing.
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July 9, 2011 7:09:22 PM

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If only the intel 320 had the performance of the vertex 3, or the vertex 3 or M4 had the reliability of the 320 huh? Anyway, I will probably look at the other ssd's you listed, both on here and on newegg's reviews. I just get this gut feeling that I'd be one of the unlucky customers that got a bad vertex 3 or M4 if I went for one trying to get the best performers, or feel like I cut myself short getting the 320 for reliability. Any input on that? For example, am I overthinking this like I have a tendency to do? Haha!

If you had to recommend two drives, what would they be and in what order and why?

WOW that was a mouthfull ;) 

I would still go with an M4 its just a 2nd Gen C300. the issues with this SSD (and others) seem to be laptops and MAC's and maybe a few desk top PC's this will probably be fixed with a firmware update or a bios update to the MB they are using. all SSD's (even Intel) seem to have some issue with certain hardware configs. I haven't had any issues with the M4's I put in for clients. I pay attention to DOA's and Failures within the first 30 days on newegg and a few other sites as well as the performance reviews.

for a second SSD I would recommend Mushkin or Gskill Phoenix Pro. these aren't as fast as the M4 or the Vertex3, but they still kick butt. I personally run a 240gb Phoenix Pro in my Gaming rig (see tag line) and a 120gb one in my laptop. never a hic up. I have installed several of both for clients in the past with only 1 DOA. (it happens)

one last note an SSD's: get at least 120GB, you get spoiled by it and run out of room fast if you go smaller.

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I think it might also help you to know I play WoW and will be getting Guild Wars 2 when they finally release it. In addition, here is what I have planned to put in my build so far:
Intel i5-2500k
ASRock z68 extreme4 MB
G.Skill Ripjaw F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL ram (2x4g 1600mhz, CAS 9 timing.(read it can be safely tightened to CAS 7 at 1600mhz))
Samsung spinpoint 3 1TB (HD103SJ) (as a secondary to store files like music, movies, and pictures)
AMD HD 6950 video card (eventually plan to Crossfire 2 of these bad boys.)
Windows 7 OS 64-bit


good choices. get the 2gb versions of the 6950 and you can try to unlock the latent cores :) 

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As for the rest, I have not yet researched and decided on an optical drive, PSU, cooling system, or case.


PSU get at least 750W for the 6950's, 850w if you think you might unlock them. I recommend a modular PSU from Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, XFX Core series (Seasonic OEM), Silverstone or PC Power and Cooling . These are all solid PSU's, thats not to say a DOA can't happen.

For Optical go to newegg sort by rating a choose the best price with free shipping (DVD) if you go for Blu Ray then do the same (most will be rated only 3 or 4 eggs becuase people get mad when they buy OEM and the software sucks or it is an older version) look for ones that don't have a lot of DOA's. I am partial to ASUS and LiteOn myself.

The Case is kind of a personal thing for looks. My next home project is new gaming rigs for my son and Wife for Skyrim. their machines are old enough to barely meet the minimum specs that I have seen listed for the game. They have seen how my ssd loads games and now they want one. My wife has this thing about computer noise, so I'm going for a sedate silent build for both. I have been looking the Fractal Design and Silverstone Raven cases that were reviewed on THG.

HSF: if you are going with Air then Noctua NH-C12P SE14, its a top down cooler so the air gets blown over you MB chipset too. and its quiet. I also like the CM Gemini IIS that I have in my gaming rig for the same reason, though not so silent with the big @$$ Enermax Apollish Vegas 110CMF fan I put on it :D  the biggest plus it that these HSF don't block my ram slots for my RipJaw X's heat shields.
For liquid cooling.... not sure H70? not a big liquid fan. I have this fear of a leak, and my $2000 computer getting fried.

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I will also have to figure out what keyboard, mouse, and monitor I want to get. I currently have a 1280x1084 and I think having at least a little extra space would suit me, so I'm thinking of going with a 23" monitor with 1920x1080 resolution; like the dell one that was reviewed on here. Here's a link to it: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us...


Dell monitors are cool. that one has good reviews, so you should be good with it. I also like ASUS monitors, their warranty for dead/stuck pixels is the best and they are about $40-50 cheaper than Dell. I Game and don't do any HD movies on my gaming system so I like 1920x1200 (16:10 Aspect Ratio) for gaming. 1080p (1920x1080) just seems like every thing is squished down.

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Edit: I should also probably mention, I plan to OC to around 4.6-4.8ghz if possible. I've been focusing more on selecting parts than the details of OC'ing, though I've been making sure the parts are capable of OC'ing.


I found the i5-2500k, to not really to run stable over 4.5Ghz. It maybe my MB though and I'm just not that into OC'ing. I have throttled mine back to 4.4Ghz just to be on the more stable side.
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Sigh, I just lost my ENTIRE post again like last time, this time trying to add a smiley right before I posted my reply. I think I'm going to go shoot myself now. :fou: 

Let's try this again.
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one last note an SSD's: get at least 120GB, you get spoiled by it and run out of room fast if you go smaller.


I indeed plan on getting at least a 120GB, hopefully I can find it in my budget to go 240 or so. I've been reading more on the M4, expanding from my original newegg reviews, to other review sites and the Crucial forums. Most do seem to be bios settings or FW as you suggested, and as they did top many of the charts, most notable the gaming one for me, I think I have decided to get one.

Edit: I almost forgot to ask you this since the first reply got toasted. I read that having your OS and games on the same drive can hinder game performance. As I was going to install win 7 and my games on the SSD and save media files for the HDD, do you think I would be ok, or do you think I'd be better off putting the intallation of win 7 with the media files on the HDD and saving the SSD for nothing but games?

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good choices. get the 2gb versions of the 6950 and you can try to unlock the latent cores :) 


Definitely. I can't see myself buying the 1g version, when they're about the same price anyway.

I'm going to condense this a bit, since my original reply was going to be a bit hefty anyway. For the optical drive, I think I've decided on an LG which was reviewed on here, and has blu ray writing as well for $90-$100. Won't be the quickest, but at least it'll have the capability. For the monitor, I think anything will seem a bit squished moving from my 1280x1024 setup to a widescreen. Even so, I will mostly be gaming, not movie watching, so I will look more into the 1920x1200 setup. Can you recommend some good ones, preferably with reviews like the one here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ccfl-led-backlight,review... (I also like the fact I'll be able to just copy the calibration settings over if I do get the dell.)

I like the look of the steelseries merc stealth keyboard I saw on one site, although I should probably still look around and compare it to others. Haven't really looked into mice, got any suggestions there?

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I found the i5-2500k, to not really to run stable over 4.5Ghz. It maybe my MB though and I'm just not that into OC'ing. I have throttled mine back to 4.4Ghz just to be on the more stable side.


Oddly enough, I found a reviewer with the same problem as I was replying to this the first time. Couldn't go past 4.5Ghz or it would crash. I know the CPU will do it, as he even did it on his Asus p8p67. Maybe some MBs just won't handle it, or the settings have to be just right? Either way, I've also been reading that from a gaming perspective, I shouldn't really need to go over about 4.3Ghz anyway, so I think i'll OC it to that and sit back and smile knowing the CPU will last a bit longer not OCing it as much.

For the case, I'm only really interested in 2 main things. First, I want it to look cool, preferably with the see-through acrylic side(s). More importantly, I want a good solid case that will house my components and keep them safe, and not be an utter pain to work with.

On to cooling, I have not decided whether to go air or water. If I go air, I will keep those recommendations close at hand. I've also heard good things about the Scythe mugen 2 and the Hyper 212+. But I do like that you said yours was quiet. Last thing I want is a jet during takeoff in my case all the time. As for water, I know it would be a big investment. In a perfect world, the distilled water is a non-conductor. But this isn't a perfect world and I know that. Would only be a matter of time before the copper heatsinks gave the water enough conductivity to fry the computer if it leaked. But the performance enhancement can't be denied either, not with a good water system at least. That said; maybe you can help me decide whether or not to take that plunge. Let's assume I plan to OC the cpu to 4.5Ghz, and do slight OCing to the dual 6950s or 6970s in crossfire. I really wouldnt want the temp of the cards to go above 80, or the temp of the cpu or other components to go above 60. Is that a realistic goal with air cooling? If not I may try to take the plunge into water. (As a side note, I've been looking and looking trying to find a comparison chart with this basic setup, so I can see the numbers for myself. If you have a link to something like this, I would love you for it! :na:  )

Lastly, I'll touch on the PSU. I've read enough to know this is the single most important piece of the equipment I'll be putting into this PC, and as such, will get the most attention, and the biggest scrutiny of parts. I have a power calculator I'll be using to help me get a decent idea of what my power consumption should be, and then try to get a PSU that will only have to run around 50% to give me that. So the 850W sounds like it'd be closer to that neighborhood. I will indeed be going modular, and trying to get every safety feature I can. I know to get the 12v cpu feed style, and how to check the voltage/amp/watts spec on them. That being said, I still don't feel I have done enough research on PSUs to get too specific yet, so I'll stop here for now.

I appreciate all the input. It's valuable info, and there's just some things Google is not cut out to do. So thanks, and until next time.

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Edit: I almost forgot to ask you this since the first reply got toasted. I read that having your OS and games on the same drive can hinder game performance. As I was going to install win 7 and my games on the SSD and save media files for the HDD, do you think I would be ok, or do you think I'd be better off putting the intallation of win 7 with the media files on the HDD and saving the SSD for nothing but games?

put the OS and games on the SSD and the Music and such on the HDD.

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I will mostly be gaming, not movie watching, so I will look more into the 1920x1200 setup. Can you recommend some good ones, preferably with reviews like the one here: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ccfl-led-backlight,review... (I also like the fact I'll be able to just copy the calibration settings over if I do get the dell.)

I have a Dell 2410 ultra sharp at home and 3 x 24" BenQ G2400WD's in Surround here with me in Kuwait. they are all about 2 years old. I have 4 x SAMSUNG 2443BWT-TAA-1 in my office here, I haven't gamed on them. they are rated pretty well.

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I like the look of the steelseries merc stealth keyboard I saw on one site, although I should probably still look around and compare it to others. Haven't really looked into mice, got any suggestions there?

got one on my rig. I love it.

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For the case, I'm only really interested in 2 main things. First, I want it to look cool, preferably with the see-through acrylic side(s). More importantly, I want a good solid case that will house my components and keep them safe, and not be an utter pain to work with.

Silverstone Raven series, they are quiet too.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rv02-e-lian-li-sona...

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On to cooling, I have not decided whether to go air or water. If I go air, I will keep those recommendations close at hand. I've also heard good things about the Scythe mugen 2 and the Hyper 212+. But I do like that you said yours was quiet. Last thing I want is a jet during takeoff in my case all the time. As for water, I know it would be a big investment. In a perfect world, the distilled water is a non-conductor. But this isn't a perfect world and I know that. Would only be a matter of time before the copper heatsinks gave the water enough conductivity to fry the computer if it leaked. But the performance enhancement can't be denied either, not with a good water system at least. That said; maybe you can help me decide whether or not to take that plunge. Let's assume I plan to OC the cpu to 4.5Ghz, and do slight OCing to the dual 6950s or 6970s in crossfire. I really wouldnt want the temp of the cards to go above 80, or the temp of the cpu or other components to go above 60. Is that a realistic goal with air cooling? If not I may try to take the plunge into water. (As a side note, I've been looking and looking trying to find a comparison chart with this basic setup, so I can see the numbers for myself. If you have a link to something like this, I would love you for it! :na:  )


the are ready made sealed kits.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h50-fort120-cogage,...
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/corsair_hydro_...
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_h70/4.h...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/swifte...


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Lastly, I'll touch on the PSU. I've read enough to know this is the single most important piece of the equipment I'll be putting into this PC, and as such, will get the most attention, and the biggest scrutiny of parts. I have a power calculator I'll be using to help me get a decent idea of what my power consumption should be, and then try to get a PSU that will only have to run around 50% to give me that. So the 850W sounds like it'd be closer to that neighborhood. I will indeed be going modular, and trying to get every safety feature I can. I know to get the 12v cpu feed style, and how to check the voltage/amp/watts spec on them. That being said, I still don't feel I have done enough research on PSUs to get too specific yet, so I'll stop here for now.


Seasonic or Silverstone for silence and quality.
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Thanks for all the info! I'll probably be posting a new thread with my setup in the next few weeks for review, just to get some final tweaking and opinions in. But I appreciate all the help you've given.
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