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April 10, 2011 9:08:11 AM

Hi guys,

I'm rounding out my build. This is for photoediting and gaming. I am 99% set on going for the 2600k, 8GB memory and the gtx560 (I've done quite a bit of research for these and they fit my needs), but would like suggestions on the cooling / power.
My budget is $1000-1300 ish. I don't need a monitor / peripherals.

Here's my build so far:

Mobo (p8p67 pro) and memory (g.skill ripjaws 8gb) combo: $234
ASUS P8P67-M PRO (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU (2600k) and video card (GTX 560) combo: $546
EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Question about gtx 560s: I saw this Sparkle GTX 560 for $230 ($20 cheaper than the EVGA one in my combo). How do these two 560s compare? Is the EVGA one I'm getting in the combo fine?

For hard drive, I'll planning on just picking up the cheapest spinpoint 1TB and maybe get a SSD for the system drive when sandforce 3 is released.

All that's left is: case, heatsink, cooling, and power. I have very limited knowledge about this.
1. Will 650W be enough if I plan on running two gtx 560s in sli (in the future)?
2.If I plan on overclocking moderately (<4.5GHz) sometime in the future, what type of cooling/heatsink should I get?
3. Overall comments / recommendations?

Thanks in advance,
Sherwin

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April 10, 2011 10:06:50 AM

1. Yes I think 650W is plenty for a system with two GTX 560 Tis. Guru3D showed that a system using an i7-965, which is a more power hungry processor than any Sandy Bridge CPU, consumed 450 watts. This figure was measured at the wall, and power supplies are rated at what DC wattage they can provide, so assuming the power supply they used is 80% efficient the system would actually be providing 360 DC watts. Even if the system was drawing 450 watts a good 650W PSU would be able to handle it, but 360 is even easier.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-re...

Antec Truepower New TPN-650 80Plus Bronze Modular $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX 650W XXX Edition 80Plus Bronze Modular $89 ($30 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2.
Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B $40 ($3 shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Prolimatech Megahalems Rev B $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You would need to buy a fan to add to this.

3. Gaming doesn't need hyperthreading. Does photoediting? I always assumed that it didn't, which if true means you could save ~$90 getting an i5-2500K instead which would still give amazing performance for almost any CPU heavy task.

Some good cases:
Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced $90 ($10 rebate, $10 shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
There is also a basic version, which is a bit cheaper but is probably missing a few features.

Cooler Master HAF 922 $90 ($10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Lian Li Lancool PC-K62 $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Lian Li PC-9F $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

NZXT Phantom Black $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 10, 2011 6:01:40 PM

I ran my sig build with 2x470s on an Antec EA650W for about a year. Depending on the brand of the PSU, you should be fine with that system on a 650W.

EVGA is THE best GPU manufacturer out there, by far. Their customer support is also very easy to work with, which is a huge plus in my book. I've had 2x460s and 3x470s from EVGA and never been disappointed.

If you're only OCing under 4.5GHz, just get something like the Cooler Master Hyper 212+. It's very cheap ($30), but with another 120mm fan, people have been getting over 4.6 on it.
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April 10, 2011 6:10:07 PM

1. I'd look at this 900 MHz card ..... cheaper and faster than the 850 you picked

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. On the PSU, a solid 650 watter should do the trick but if your GFX cards are OC'd meaning they will pull more power than the stock card. This XFX Core Edition garners a 9.5 rating on jonnyguru and is $95. The Black (10.0 jonnyguru performance rating) is $110.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3. The Scythe Mugen 2 @ $40 is all you need for Sandy Bridge .... though the stock cooler works just fine up to 4.6 GHz

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-sabertooth-p67-tuf-r...

The 'top dog" right now appears to be the Thermaright Silver Arrow ..... it's huge though and as the reviewer says, it's way more than ya need for Sandy Bridge.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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I think the Silver Arrow represents the ultimate air cooler than can be built and still fit within the constraints of an ATX motherboard and a standard computer case. ..... It's almost ironic that coolers like this are becoming available just as processors transition to designs that may ultimately render them unnecessary; even overclocked to 5GHz, an Intel Sandy Bridge 2600K doesn't need anywhere near this level of cooling. Still, it wouldn't hurt, and as I noted earlier, there are still CPUs out there that can benefit from it.


4. Sandforce 3 is out but runnoing about $50 over MSRP since demand far exceeds supply.

5. A lot of my favorite cases have fallen off my list because they just haven't been updated for today's feature sets. I no longer build w/ the HAF-922 for example as no USB 3 front ports. The HAF-X and Antec DF-85 are great cases but a bit outta budget range...

This would meet your $1300 limit except for the inflated SSD cost so it's at $1,349

Case - $110 - Antec 902 V3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $110 - XFX Black 750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $395 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl above - Intel Core i5-2500K
Cooler - $40 - Scythe Mugen 2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 Shin Etsu 751 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $84 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $215 - Gigabte GTX 560 Ti 900 Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Same Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $300 - Vertex 3 120 GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm running OC tests on a similar build as I type .... DF-85 w/ CP-850, i7-2600 in WS Revolution, CAS 7 Mushkin DDR3-1600, Twin 560 (900Mhz), Silver Arrow Cooler, Seagate Barracuda XT and OCZ Vertex 3 120GB
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April 10, 2011 6:21:40 PM

boiler1990 said:
EVGA is THE best GPU manufacturer out there, by far. Their customer support is also very easy to work with, which is a huge plus in my book. I've had 2x460s and 3x470s from EVGA and never been disappointed.


I have. Bought a factory OC'd dual GPU card from them and it wouldn't run at anywhere near the "guaranteed factory OC". Dealing w/ Customer Service was an extreme exercise in frustration as each call and each card rec'd after RMA'ing the last one required me to go thru the exact same steps as the innumerable previous efforts. When I asked "Don't you guys record past calls ?", they said yes "but it's hard to look it up". Telling them "Listen, I have been through this a half dozen times with you guys, I did all of the stuff the previous techs suggested before calling." ....we had to do it again on the phone .... I felt the whole process was designed just to wear you out.

I took the factory OC settings and the reference settings and set up tests going 90% of the way from reference to factory OC, 80%, 70 etc. Best the card could do was 10% setting. Again, not 10% above reference but 10% of the space between the reference speeds and the so called guaranteed factory OC. When I asked for a reference model w/o the factory overclock and a refund on the difference since it could not meet the guaranteed OC, they declined.
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April 10, 2011 6:40:16 PM

Looks good. To answer your questions:

1. A 650w quality psu should be fine. XFX, Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, PC P&C are all good. It is the amps on the 12v rails that are important, not the wattage.
2. Most aftermarket coolers will be fine. You can get a decent CM hyper212 for about $30. Might as well do that up front. If you want the best, look at the prolimatech megahalems, or Noctua NH-D14.
If you will be using a micro-atx case, consider carefully the dimension of your cooler choices. Some nice small cases have cooler heitht limitations.
3. EVGA has some support advantages, and they offer a 90 day trade-up option.

Comments:

The P8P67-M PRO is a good board; that is what I am using. It is a micro-ATX board, and SLI is possible, but there is no space between the two graphics card slots, so sli will cause the upper card to be much hotter. My suggestion is to plan on selling and replacing your GTX560ti whenever you need an upgrade. In a year or so, we should see newer , cheaper, and stronger cards. If your upgrade is soon, why not just get a GTX570 or GTX580 up front? At 1080P a single good card will be all you need. If you are looking at triple 1080P monitors, then sli GTX560ti may not be enough.

I love the Lian Li cases. How about the LIAN LI PC-A04B ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A different alternative is the LIAN LI PC-V354B
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A case is something you see and touch every day. Get one you love.

For photoshop, lots of ram can be a big performance enhancer. Considering the low cost of ram today, consider getting a 16gb kit up front.

If $100 means much to you, onsider a 2500K. It will OC to the same levels as a 2600K. The hyperthreading is of no help to gaming, don't know about editing.
The value of the extra cache is uncertain. An extra $100 spent on a graphics card will be of much more benefit to gaming.

You will love a SSD. See if you can't fit a 120gb drive into your budget up front. The value comes from random i/o, not sequential transfer rates. To that end, almost any will do. The Intel drives are solid, you will be pleased with any one, even the G2 drives.

---------------good luck-----------------
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April 11, 2011 3:01:03 AM

Best answer selected by sherwinyu.
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April 11, 2011 3:06:42 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I changed from the asus p8p67 pro mATX to a gigabyte p67 ATX board and got the nzxt phantom as the case (it's beautiful!)

The XFX 650W at $60 after MIR looked too good to pass up.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817207007

And for cooling I went with the scythe mugen 2 over the CM 212.

I also ended up throwing in a 90GB vertex 2 SSD at $170.

Overall, I spent a bit more on the case and upgraded to a full atx mobo and also went with a SSD, so the full price was $1345. Very satisfied. Thanks again for all the help.

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