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I’m going to be moving soon and need to put together some sort of entertainment system, so I figured this would be a good opportunity to build my first HTPC. Money isn’t a big concern, but I’d still like it to be reasonably priced.

Approximate Purchase Date: A month or two
Budget Range: Under $1,000ish
System Usage: Blu Ray, streaming Netflix and other HD video, recording HD television
Parts Not Required: Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, Speakers
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: N/A, any site with free shipping
Country of Origin: U.S.A.
Parts Preferences: N/A
Overclocking: No
SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution: 42" 1080p TV
Additional Comments: Needs to run as cool and quietly as possible, needs to be able to run for days at a time

Some parts I've picked out. Though I don't really know what I am doing, so I'm completely open to swapping out a part for something different
Case: SILVERSTONE Crown CW02B-MXR ATX Media Center
Although it's pricey, it looks pretty big for an HTPC case, has a LCD screen, volume and function knob, and comes with a remote

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500
I thought about the Intel 2600, but that's probably overkill even if I do encode videos and stuff

Motherboard: ASUS P8P67-M PRO
Don't know much about mobos, this one looks good and has optical audio out

RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
4 GBs of DDR3 should be enough for an HTPC, right?

OS HDD: Intel 320 Series 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC SSD
An SSD might be a bit over the top, but I'd really like it to boot up quickly and speed up the applications

Storage HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache
I hear good things about the Spinpoint, I'll probably add more HDDs if they fill up

Blu Ray Drive: LG 10X Blu-ray Burner OEM
Don't know anything about Blu Ray drives, I picked this one almost at random

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
I have an extra copy of the OS

GPU: Unknown
Should be cool and quiet(by cpu standards), but that provides enough performance to easily meet my needs and have HDMI, I'm leaning towards the SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5570 1GB

TV Tuner Card: Unknown
I've never used one before, so I don't know what to look for in one other than HD capabilities

Sound Card: Unknown
I don't think I need one, but it might be a good idea if I'm connecting to a 7.1 surround system

PSU: Unknown
I don't know much about PSUs, but I wanted to make sure it's got enough watts to power all the parts, I could use some help picking out a quality PSU

I hope the post wasn't too long, I could really use some advice and suggestions from people who actually know what they're talking about. Thanks.

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Reply to unknown_13

For starters, I highly recommend you read through this guide and the FAQ right after it:

 

Assassin's Simple/Beginner HTPC Buying and Building Guide

 

Now, a few comments from myself.

 

An SSD is a luxury for an HTPC. They are nice to have (my HTPC has an SSD), but a properly set up HTPC does not boot very often. Instead, you need to use S3 mode and even platter HDD's are ready to go after 2 seconds when using S3.

 

The i5-2500 is way overkill just for HTPC. You may want to consider scaling back to an i3-2100 (which is still overkill).

 

With the Sandy Bridge CPU's, you have built in video that is near perfect for HTPC use. You would have to change your motherboard to an H67 chipset to use the video, however. If you plan to do any gaming, then a video card is warranted.

 

TV Tuner: I strongly recommend you get a dual ATSC/QAM tuner. The best options are the HVR-2250, HDHomerun Dual, and the A188 duet.

 

PSU: You want a quiet one. I recommend you look at Seasonic models, or one of the Antec Earthwatts units. Corsair is good too, and so is Enermax.

 

That should be enough to get you started. Post back if you have any more questions.


Message edited by rwpritchett on 04-14-2011 at 05:57:08 PM
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my choice for a HTPC for processor would be an athlon ii x3 at the most, anything more than that isn't really a HTPC.
just my opinion.

 

my own HTPC build for the (ol' lady), she likes it like this and gets mad when I talk about upgrades:

 

AMD Athlon X2 7850 (2.8GHz) Kuma
ASUS M3N78-EM (AM2+) NVIDIA GeForce 8300 HDMI mATX
AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE OEM Copper Heatsink/Fan
4GB (2x2GB) Apacer DDR2 800MHz CL5
PNY GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
Seagate 320GB Barracuda SATA 2 HDD
Seagate 80 GB, SATA 2, 8 MB
ASUS DRW-24B1ST DVD-RAM
3.5 inch USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader
AverMedia Ultra TV M150-D TV-Tuner
TP-Link WL TL-WN781N 150M PCIE ADA (wireless mini)
BLACK CHIEFMAX MICRO ATX CUBE HTPC/MEDIA CENTER CASE w/ 120mm + 80mm fan
BFG Tech GS-450 450W Dual 12V Rails (chrome)

 

I want to upgrade it to this:
AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103872

 

and a motherboard AM3+ mATX when available.


Message edited by malmental on 04-14-2011 at 06:08:31 PM
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OOOOH I AM SO GLAD I CAN HELP WITH THIS!!!

I just built an HTPC and a file server last month.

For my HTPC, I used:

Intel DH67CF Mini-ITX
Intel i3-2100
2x4GB Corsair c9 DDR3
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD
Silverstone SG05B Case w/PSU included (not the 450W version --- OVERKILL)
Stock CPU Heatsink/Fan
Windows 7 Home 64-bit

Total cost including OS: $600

This thing is DEAD SILENT. The stock heatsink/fan is AWESOME! My temps are around 30-32C streaming 1080p Blu-Ray ISOs with HD audio output via HDMI to a Denon receiver. According to CPU Temp, the highest temp I have hit is 40C. I have not played with Prime95. There's no point. This CPU will never fully be pushed. The stock cooler is silent and keeps things cool enough for task.

Your needs may be different than mine. I will try to upload some pics of my HTPC and file server tomorrow evening to this post so come back later. I wanted a case that fit in my current entertainment center. I wanted a build that was SILENT. The case I chose will sport a thin Blu-ray drive, which I did not need/install. I rip my movie collection to Blu-Ray ISO from my gaming machine, then copy it over to the file server.

This is what I have found. According to Core Temp (gadget), when I am streaming a Blu-Ray ISO from the network with Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre 5 (within Windows Media Center auto-mounting ISO with VCD), I am using about 10% of each CPU core and about 20% RAM. That's 1080p with TrueHD or DTS-HD Master audio!!!

Obviously the i3-2100 is overkill. Obviously 8GB RAM is overkill. I could have saved money on the RAM but it doesn't really make sense to save money on the processor. The motherboard was a tad expensive at ($120) but I grabbed the CPU for $100. You really aren't going to save that much by going with a lesser combo. Here's the great thing about the combo.

Did you notice I did not list a discrete graphics card? I'm running the Intel Graphics 2000 with the H67 chipset. It's great. I wouldn't try to play any hardcore games with it, but it's more than adequate for an HTPC. Why use the H67 integrated graphics instead of a discrete card?

NO EXTRA HEAT! NO EXTRA POWER! NO NOISE!

People on the net have tested the wattage of the i3-2100 systems and have reported ridiculous efficiency. I don't remember the number, but it's nowhere near the TDP number of the CPU. I agree with the other poster that SSD is novelty for an HTPC, but at $100 (after rebate) for a 60GB, why not spend the extra dough. I don't know what you'd spend on a cheapo HDD, but the SSD isn't that much more... $30? The benefits are NO NOISE, NO VIBRATION, NO DISCERNABLE HEAT, NO SPIN-UP TIME (worthless for HTPC), INSTANTANEOUS WAKE, VERY SMALL FORM FACTOR. That's worth the upgrade cost, IMO.

For my file server, I am running

Asus P7H55-M Pro Micro ATX
Intel i3-550
2x4GB Corsair c9 DDR3
OCZ Agility 2 60GB SSD
Antec 1200 v3 Full Tower (12 HARD DRIVE BAYS!!!)
Stock CPU Heatsink/Fan
Lots of Samsung F4 2TB drives
Syba SY-PCI40010 4-port RAID Sata II controller
Corsair HX650 PSU
Windows 7 Home 64-bit

Note the motherboard I chose only has five Sata II/III slots. That's why I added the Syba controller. I'm not using it for RAID, just the ability to connect more drives. I may consider doing it right in future and just using a 4u chassis and going with SAS, but I knew nothing about it when I built this last month. I still don't really know much about SAS.

The Samsung drives are VERY COOL and I have no fans running in the case except the CPU fan, which again is SILENT! I have shared two different 40GB files to two different HTPCs simultaneously with no issue. I'm sure I could do more on my gigabit network but I don't have reason nor hardware to test further.

Same with the HTPC, the RAM is WAYYYY OVERKILL! I should have gone with 2x2GB on both machines. I could pull a stick from each machine but then I'd lose dual channel memory. I'm not sure what affect that would have. I've already bought the RAM so I will leave it be.

I RECOMMEND THE H67 CHIPSET SO YOU DO NOT NEED A GRAPHICS CARD!!!!

(edited to add that I have not yet installed a product key for Win7 on the file server. I am off next week and one of the projects will be to install ubuntu on it and #^@% Microsoft for that PC.)

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Message edited by PolarBearCO on 04-15-2011 at 06:37:38 AM
Reply to PolarBearCO

PolarBearCO wrote :

OOOOH I AM SO GLAD I CAN HELP WITH THIS!!!

I just built an HTPC and a file server last month.

For my HTPC, I used:

Intel DH67CF Mini-ITX
Intel i3-2100
2x4GB Corsair c9 DDR3
OCZ Vertex 2 60GB SSD
Silverstone SG05B Case w/PSU included (not the 450W version --- OVERKILL)
Stock CPU Heatsink/Fan
Windows 7 Home 64-bit

Total cost including OS: $600

This thing is DEAD SILENT. The stock heatsink/fan is AWESOME! My temps are around 30-32C streaming 1080p Blu-Ray ISOs with HD audio output via HDMI to a Denon receiver. According to CPU Temp, the highest temp I have hit is 40C. I have not played with Prime95. There's no point. This CPU will never fully be pushed. The stock cooler is silent and keeps things cool enough for task.

Your needs may be different than mine. I will try to upload some pics of my HTPC and file server tomorrow evening to this post so come back later. I wanted a case that fit in my current entertainment center. I wanted a build that was SILENT. The case I chose will sport a thin Blu-ray drive, which I did not need/install. I rip my movie collection to Blu-Ray ISO from my gaming machine, then copy it over to the file server.

This is what I have found. According to Core Temp (gadget), when I am streaming a Blu-Ray ISO from the network with Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre 5 (within Windows Media Center auto-mounting ISO with VCD), I am using about 10% of each CPU core and about 20% RAM. That's 1080p with TrueHD or DTS-HD Master audio!!!

Obviously the i3-2100 is overkill. Obviously 8GB RAM is overkill. I could have saved money on the RAM but it doesn't really make sense to save money on the processor. The motherboard was a tad expensive at ($120) but I grabbed the CPU for $100. You really aren't going to save that much by going with a lesser combo. Here's the great thing about the combo.

Did you notice I did not list a discrete graphics card? I'm running the Intel Graphics 2000 with the H67 chipset. It's great. I wouldn't try to play any hardcore games with it, but it's more than adequate for an HTPC. Why use the H67 integrated graphics instead of a discrete card?

NO EXTRA HEAT! NO EXTRA POWER! NO NOISE!

People on the net have tested the wattage of the i3-2100 systems and have reported ridiculous efficiency. I don't remember the number, but it's nowhere near the TDP number of the CPU. I agree with the other poster that SSD is novelty for an HTPC, but at $100 (after rebate) for a 60GB, why not spend the extra dough. I don't know what you'd spend on a cheapo HDD, but the SSD isn't that much more... $30? The benefits are NO NOISE, NO VIBRATION, NO DISCERNABLE HEAT, NO SPIN-UP TIME (worthless for HTPC), INSTANTANEOUS WAKE, VERY SMALL FORM FACTOR. That's worth the upgrade cost, IMO.

For my file server, I am running

Asus P7H55-M Pro Micro ATX
Intel i3-550
2x4GB Corsair c9 DDR3
OCZ Agility 2 60GB SSD
Antec 1200 v3 Full Tower (12 HARD DRIVE BAYS!!!)
Stock CPU Heatsink/Fan
Lots of Samsung F4 2TB drives
Syba SY-PCI40010 4-port RAID Sata II controller
Corsair HX650 PSU
Windows 7 Home 64-bit


Note the motherboard I chose only has five Sata II/III slots. That's why I added the Syba controller. I'm not using it for RAID, just the ability to connect more drives. I may consider doing it right in future and just using a 4u chassis and going with SAS, but I knew nothing about it when I built this last month. I still don't really know much about SAS.

The Samsung drives are VERY COOL and I have no fans running in the case except the CPU fan, which again is SILENT! I have shared two different 40GB files to two different HTPCs simultaneously with no issue. I'm sure I could do more on my gigabit network but I don't have reason nor hardware to test further.

Same with the HTPC, the RAM is WAYYYY OVERKILL! I should have gone with 2x2GB on both machines. I could pull a stick from each machine but then I'd lose dual channel memory. I'm not sure what affect that would have. I've already bought the RAM so I will leave it be.

I RECOMMEND THE H67 CHIPSET SO YOU DO NOT NEED A GRAPHICS CARD!!!!

(edited to add that I have not yet installed a product key for Win7 on the file server. I am off next week and one of the projects will be to install ubuntu on it and #^@% Microsoft for that PC.)



Nice, but that thing would never fully use an 650W PSU. The Seasonic 430B 430W PSU is a better buy.

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Reply to unknown_13

Yeah. I didn't know the Seasonic name at the time and I wanted modular cables. I wanted a clean case, and I couldn't get that with a non-modular setup. The Corsair only came with 2 power cables with 3 SATA power connectors on them for six drives. I sent them an email and they sent me two more SATA power cables for free. Planning on having 12-14 drives in this thing, I wanted things to be neat. I didn't want to have to use 4-pin molex to SATA adapters and all that nonsense, not to mention buying the adapters would add additional costs to another PSU brand.

Another reason I went with the 650HX was because Newegg had a combo discount for the PSU and the RAM, saving $30. There was also a $20 MIR. All-in-all, it wasn't a bad deal.

Reply to PolarBearCO

I think having SSD in a HTPC unit is overkill as well.
I'm not knocking it by any means and I love my SSD but in a HTPC I do not see the need of having one...

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Reply to malmental

SSD's are like crack. Once your hooked it's really hard to give up.

I transplanted the SSD from my main HTPC to a new HTPC that needed a little speed boost. I went back to using a 7200rpm HDD WD black on the main HTPC and it seems soooooo sloooooow now launching WMC and loading media browser cache. The occasional reboot makes me cringe.

I know it's all relative, but I do miss the SSD. I need to figure out a way to sneak a new SSD in there without my wife finding out. :lol:

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Reply to rwpritchett

^
I do feel your pain.
As stated I have SSD as well.

 

I like new / re-certified WD VelociRaptors or older model Raptors @ 10K speed.
turns out to be a nice alternative


Message edited by malmental on 04-15-2011 at 06:00:20 PM
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Reply to malmental

Thanks for all the advice guys, I really appreciate all the opinions. It looks like I can save a lot money too. I'll probably skip the GPU for now and go with integrated graphics, the Intel DH67CF Mini-ITX looks good, though I'd like the ability to a GPU later if needed.

I'd also really like to use a modular PSU to keep things neat, but that Corsair HX650 looks to be a bit overkill. Anyone have a suggestion for a reliable, modular PSU, probably about 500w?

And I'm still very much attached to the idea of using a SSD for the OS

Reply to EvilTickler

I have another small build and use a modular psu for that:
Rocketfish RF-500WPS2 500-Watt ATX CPU Modular
80+ certified and dual rails...
the company isn't that popular just yet but all reviews are favorable, I too stand by it (so far) LOL
http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/ [...] l%20lr.pdf
BestBuy sells it for $80 retail but off the web you can get it new for $30 and under..
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?rt=nc& [...] 86.c0.m282

example:
Athlon X2 7850 @ (3.2GHz) KUMA
ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+ AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX
ZALMAN CNPS8000A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink
4GB (2x2GB) Patriot DDR2 800MHz CL5
Sapphire Radeon HD5770 Vapor-X 1 GB GDDR5 w/ Eyefinity
WD Raptor 160GB 10K HDD
LG 22x SATA DVD±RW
MYOPENPC DOMA Pro PCI Black Transparent Acrylic Open Computer Case
RocketFish 500-Watt modular Power Supply

3 - Dell UltraSharp 1505FP Flat Panel LCD DVI & VGA USB (adjustable base)
Windows 7 Ult. x64


Message edited by malmental on 04-17-2011 at 01:20:42 PM
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There is quite a gap in the PSU market for good quality, quiet, efficient, low wattage modular PSU's. It seems most are ≥600W. Enermax had a line of modular PSU's called "Liberty" that were very excellent (my HTPC has the 500W liberty). They had a 400W model too. If you can find one of them online that would be a good choice.

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Reply to rwpritchett

The Antec EW380w is plenty for a htpc, and is very quite.

Reply to zooted

looking for modular - zooted..

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Reply to malmental

Well I fail at reading comprehension =D

Reply to zooted

I have selective memory myself....:D

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Reply to malmental

How about this PSU?
Antec BP550 Plus 550W

Antec seems to have a good reputation when it comes to power supples, but I'd like to get some opinions from someone with first hand knowledge of this PSU.

Reply to EvilTickler

it's a good psu and it's modular, if you got the money then it's a good choice.
there are less expensive options but all in all the antec choice you found is good..

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