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April 14, 2011 9:16:14 PM

I have just upgraded my computer and to say the least I am quite disappointed in the performance I am getting in games. Before buying and building, i searched many benchmarks with the items that I have and was excited to see that I'd have a constant 60+ fps on 1680x1050 in some of the games I play like Bc2 with high settings, but come to find out the game is extremely choppy and is definitely unplayable to snipe or even move very fluent. The weird thing is my old setup seems to have run Bc2 WAY better than this new setup.

New Specs:
i5-2500k
GTX 560 ti SOC:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4 GB G-Skill 1333:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
AsRock p67 extreme4:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 750W PSU

Old Comp:
Core 2 Duo E8500 OC'd to 4.2gHz
TWO GeForce GTX 9800+ in SLI
4GB Corsair XMS2
XFX 780i Mobo

I do plan on overclocking my new processor soon, but I mean even without overclocking it, I should be getting better performance on high settings, it's very disappointing spending 800+ on a new system that doesn't run like you had hoped.
Please let me know if I over estimated the performance of this new system.

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April 14, 2011 9:25:09 PM

I think there is something wrong with your new system if it is not out-performing your old system. You should run one of those Futuremark benchmark tools and compare to other with similar hardware.

http://www.futuremark.com/
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April 14, 2011 9:51:30 PM

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1029319

Your result has the following problem(s) and will not be shown for example on leaderboards: Graphics card is not recognized, Graphics driver is not approved.

Graphics CardGeneric VGA
# of cards1
SLI / CrossFire Off
Memory1024 MB
Core clock950 MHz
Memory clock2290 MHz
Driver nameNVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Driver version8.17.12.6644
Driver status Not FM Approved

^ does this have anything to do with my problems?
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 14, 2011 10:08:07 PM

Looks like you installed the wrong driver.

What operating system do you have?
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 14, 2011 10:19:02 PM

That is the driver you need.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 14, 2011 10:20:34 PM

Let me interject here, I just upgraded from an 8800GTS 512 G92 card to a 560TI. It is faster, but I am NOT impressed, it is not that much faster, maybe 15% than my old 8800GTS. Feel like I got robbed for what I paid. Now if you are going from 2 9800GTX's in SLI and an overclocked E8500 to a single 560TI and an i5, drivers are not going to help you, your old setup was faster for gaming, hands down period.
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April 14, 2011 10:29:43 PM

Thats absolutely ridiculous =/ Would me adding a 9800 back into the comp along with the 560 help with computations ?
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April 14, 2011 10:29:47 PM

Well there is something wrong from your 3dmark scores for sure. Maybe d/l gpuz an make sure the card is running @ x16. Also check to make sure that both pcie power plugs are pushed in all the way.
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April 14, 2011 10:30:06 PM

Maybe you should have saved your money to upgrade a new monitor with higher resolution. Resolution makes gaming so much better. 1900x1200 looks way better than 1680x1050. Why do you need SLI or crossfire if you got a crappy 1080x1050 monitor. I've had a 24" monitor and compared to my brothers 22" I could never game on anything else.

I just upgraded from my E8400 build with 4 gigs of memory, to an i5 2500k build with 8 gig's of memory and it's a huge difference in multi-tasking. I have yet to get dual graphics cards for gaming but still rocking a single 4870 card.
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April 14, 2011 10:34:15 PM

Looks like a driver issue...

Jitpublisher: What is the rest of your system? I went from a Athlon X2 with a 8800 GTS on a 1680x1050 to a i7-930 with a Radeon 5850 on a 1920x1080 and there is simply no comparison at all. The differences are very big and measurable in every game/benchmark I've run.
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April 14, 2011 10:39:01 PM

Balearic, It's not a crappy monitor unless you consider Samsung 2233rz 120 hz to be a crappy monitor.. Right now, I'm trying to figure out why my performance is not up to par, not shop around for a higher res monitor only to make my frames even worse.
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April 14, 2011 10:41:23 PM

imaurer269 said:
Well there is something wrong from your 3dmark scores for sure. Maybe d/l gpuz an make sure the card is running @ x16. Also check to make sure that both pcie power plugs are pushed in all the way.




Does this look right? Its also showing a 0.9620Voltage
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April 14, 2011 10:51:27 PM

Have you checked all your connections as asked earlier? My single 5850 runs 3dmark11 much higher despite being a weaker card.

After that I'd try reinstalling a different driver.

Of course I'd check google for normal 560 voltages.
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April 14, 2011 10:55:04 PM

This driver I just installed doesn't fix the problem, Im going to check the connections now.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 14, 2011 10:55:09 PM

That 560 should be a little faster than your two 9800GTX+ cards in SLI. Anyway, to rule out the 560 I say try taking it out and using your two 9800GTX+ cards in SLI. If they preform significantly better it's either a crazy driver problem or a defective GTX 560. If the experience is the same then the problem is elsewhere.
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April 14, 2011 10:57:23 PM

I'm not an expert in this field but the gpuz looks right to me and that voltage seems about right :( 
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April 14, 2011 11:07:10 PM

megamanx00 said:
That 560 should be a little faster than your two 9800GTX+ cards in SLI. Anyway, to rule out the 560 I say try taking it out and using your two 9800GTX+ cards in SLI. If they preform significantly better it's either a crazy driver problem or a defective GTX 560. If the experience is the same then the problem is elsewhere.


I mean am I just being picky about performance or what?
I was expecting smooth gameplay in Bc2 on high settings, but my 3d mark scores should not be that low?
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April 14, 2011 11:09:13 PM

Can try using a different PCIe slot with the 560 but I doubt that is the problem
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April 14, 2011 11:12:57 PM

tsmith09 said:
I mean am I just being picky about performance or what?
I was expecting smooth gameplay in Bc2 on high settings, but my 3d mark scores should not be that low?


Seeing as there is only a couple scores the same or lower than yours I would expect a better score for a 560 ti with a factory OC working properly.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 14, 2011 11:23:37 PM

jitpublisher said:
Let me interject here, I just upgraded from an 8800GTS 512 G92 card to a 560TI. It is faster, but I am NOT impressed, it is not that much faster, maybe 15% than my old 8800GTS. Feel like I got robbed for what I paid. Now if you are going from 2 9800GTX's in SLI and an overclocked E8500 to a single 560TI and an i5, drivers are not going to help you, your old setup was faster for gaming, hands down period.


OMG, then something is seriously wrong with your system dude.

....and a 560ti is way faster than 9800GTX in SLI.


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April 14, 2011 11:44:24 PM

I just got done playing Bc2 on high settings with SLI, It' FOR SURE ran better than the 560..... I'm going to run another 3dmark test and see what i get.

Since the 560 ran the dx11 test, will we still be able to compare with these running another benchmark?-

Also, would there be any settings that come different on the 560 than the 9800s that would impact peformance? Why the hell would these beat a card that is generations ahead...
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April 14, 2011 11:51:32 PM

Do you have a friend who can test the 560 for you?
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April 14, 2011 11:56:01 PM

I do not, although I do have an extra computer sitting behind me with all my old parts in it..... I'd have to reinstall windows and go through all that mess though. It also wouldn't be overclocked anymore
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April 15, 2011 12:28:13 AM

3D Mark Vantage Score with SLI 9800GTX+: Graphics score of 12632.88
http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3084740

3D Mark Vantage Score with 560 TI SOC: Graphics score of 7218.89
http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3084773

I've come to the conclusion that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with this card, why is it showing up as a generic VGA, and has no Mhz or clock....
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April 15, 2011 12:50:33 AM

The not showing clock Mhz etc is kinda common I think, but something is wrong with that card for sure my HD 5770 & Athlon X3 445 beats your score: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3076298
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April 15, 2011 1:00:43 AM

imaurer269 said:
The not showing clock Mhz etc is kinda common I think, but something is wrong with that card for sure my HD 5770 & Athlon X3 445 beats your score: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3076298


What does the setup in your sig get you?
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April 15, 2011 1:13:42 AM

In all reality, I should be hitting near those scores correct?
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April 15, 2011 1:21:20 AM

GAHHHH This is absurd. I have no idea what to even do about this issue.
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April 15, 2011 1:25:21 AM

Sounds like you might have a bad GPU. You could toss it in your old system to make sure, if you get the same results prolly time to RMA the card.
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April 15, 2011 2:06:56 AM

Are you sure you got all the power hooked up correctly that your card needs, i.e. are the external power connector(s) attached and working? I have personally seen high-end Nvidia based cards actually run off solely the pcie slot (i.e. without any external power!), but at a VERY reduced performance (and with no warnings from either bios or Windows that anything was wrong). Seriously, check your external power connectors.
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April 15, 2011 2:10:54 AM

I've tried plugging in two separate pairs of pci plugs and it made no difference.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 2:49:12 AM

So you downloaded and installed those drivers in your post above and the card is still showing up as a generic VGA in Device Manager? You could boot into safe mode, uninstall all Nvidia drivers using "Driver Cleander Pro", reboot, and then install the latest drivers again from that downloaded driver file.

If that doesn't work and device manager still doesn't recognize it as a gtx 560 and still calls it a "generic VGA", then you may have a defective card. But it should definitely be faster than two 9800 GTX cards in SLI.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 3:35:49 AM

I didn't get the impression that Device Manager was seeing it as 'Generic VGA'. I think the was a reference to what Futuremark was showing, not device manager.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 3:41:40 AM

Ah. I misunderstood, then. What does Device Manager say, tsmith09?
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April 15, 2011 3:49:59 AM

[SOLVED]I have found the issue people =D thank god.

Apparently when physx is set to auto-select, .... it auto-selects the processor to do the computing, which was causing TERRIBLE frames.
Thank you EVERYONE for your help, and spread the word if anyone else has the same issue.
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April 15, 2011 1:28:37 PM

Glad you got it working, just out of curiosity what are your 3dMarkvantage scores now?
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 2:46:54 PM

tsmith09 said:
[SOLVED]I have found the issue people =D thank god.

Apparently when physx is set to auto-select, .... it auto-selects the processor to do the computing, which was causing TERRIBLE frames.
Thank you EVERYONE for your help, and spread the word if anyone else has the same issue.


Well according to what you showed us, it is NOT fixed. Your still using a generic VGA driver.
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April 15, 2011 3:47:05 PM

My display adapter in Device manager shows Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 Ti, So I'm going to re-run the test and I'm sure it'll show up on the results now that I switched that setting.

ACTUALLY, that change to the physx setting was not the fix, apparently for my card I have to install and run the Gigabyte OC_GURU to make the card even start up. I have no idea why a program has to enable the card to run.....

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1033538 is the new score, I wonder if I could get a better score with a 9800 handling physx, think its worth it?
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 4:08:36 PM

Can't hurt to try it out. Seems like a worthwhile test.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 5:11:48 PM

Yes, I told you 560ti is way faster than 9800GTX in SLI.

Glad you got her going.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 15, 2011 5:12:44 PM

jitpublisher said:
Let me interject here, I just upgraded from an 8800GTS 512 G92 card to a 560TI. It is faster, but I am NOT impressed, it is not that much faster, maybe 15% than my old 8800GTS. Feel like I got robbed for what I paid. Now if you are going from 2 9800GTX's in SLI and an overclocked E8500 to a single 560TI and an i5, drivers are not going to help you, your old setup was faster for gaming, hands down period.


This is the post that cracks me up.

"Drivers are not going to help you"

Apparently when your using a generic vga driver, the correct driver does help you A LOT. LOL

"Your old system was faster for gaming, hands down period."

LOOOOL
:hello: 
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April 15, 2011 5:37:42 PM

Those scores look much more inline with what I would expect a 560 to hit, def more than my single 5850 score, as it should be.
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