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April 15, 2011 12:48:21 PM

Sooo first time posting a "rate my build" post. Here goes!

Planning on purchasing everything from newegg except the processor, DvD drive, and CPU cooler. Lucky enough to live within 40 miles of a micro center : )

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard and ram combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows 7:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DvD burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


When buying the CPU, CPU cooler, and DvD drive at micro center my total is just under 800 bucks.


So, how does it look folks?
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April 15, 2011 1:07:59 PM

MEM - G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1333 CL7 1.5v. The 1.65v memory you have in that bundle is OK at best.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - The HD 6850 can be had for the same price as the HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - Skip the WD Blue. Samsung F3, or Hitachi 7K3000 for SATA 3.
Samsung => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hitachi - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - That is not a great power supply. How about this Antec 650w?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler - Good choice. Amazon.com has it cheaper than Newegg.
April 15, 2011 1:19:34 PM

sadams04 said:
MEM - G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1333 CL7 1.5v. The 1.65v memory you have in that bundle is OK at best.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - The HD 6850 can be had for the same price as the HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - Skip the WD Blue. Samsung F3, or Hitachi 7K3000 for SATA 3.
Samsung => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hitachi - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - That is not a great power supply. How about this Antec 650w?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler - Good choice. Amazon.com has it cheaper than Newegg.




The memory i linked is a $25 combo deal, and everyone has Gskill and i am gonna shy away from the norm and give patriot a chance. It is CAS 8 actually but it dont say it. I have heard of many cases of infinite power loops on startup that have been proven to be caused by gskill ram on P67 MB's. Not to mention the ram you linked is 1333mhz, mine is 1600mhz.

Went with the HDD for cost factor, always used WD and never had a failure. Plus that drive you linked is 3.0gb/sec and the one i have is 6gb/sec for 10 bucks cheaper.

That PSU you linked is overkill and double the price of the PSU i have. Id like to have a brand name PSU like antec, but i feel the PSU is one place where you can actually skimp on a new build.

The 6850 delivers much less performance and is actually more expensive than the video card i linked. It is the brand new revision of the 5850 from sapphire, which uses the 6000 series PCB and heatsinks. It basically blows away the 6850 on any game that does not take advantage of tessellation, and that small lead the 6000 series has will shrink as drivers come out. You should check out the reviews on this new card, it is very impressive for the price.

I twice put on my post i will be buying the CPU, CPU cooler, and optical from microcenter. I dont think you read any of my post : (
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April 15, 2011 2:28:57 PM

Scotty99 said:
The memory i linked is a $25 combo deal, and everyone has Gskill and i am gonna shy away from the norm and give patriot a chance. It is CAS 8 actually but it dont say it. I have heard of many cases of infinite power loops on startup that have been proven to be caused by gskill ram on P67 MB's. Not to mention the ram you linked is 1333mhz, mine is 1600mhz.

Went with the HDD for cost factor, always used WD and never had a failure. Plus that drive you linked is 3.0gb/sec and the one i have is 6gb/sec for 10 bucks cheaper.


Unless you have an SSD, 6Gb/s means nothing for a HDD. It is all marketing BS. Sure, you could put a couple in RAID 0 and reap the benefits...is that your plan?

Scotty99 said:
That PSU you linked is overkill and double the price of the PSU i have. Id like to have a brand name PSU like antec, but i feel the PSU is one place where you can actually skimp on a new build.


Ok. Can we all say "told you so" when you come back on here complaining that your PSU died and took everything else in your case with it?

Sorry if I sound like a dick, but maybe you should do some more research yourself. You asked for a rate my build and sadams pretty much told ya how it is.
April 15, 2011 4:00:54 PM

nd_hunter said:
Unless you have an SSD, 6Gb/s means nothing for a HDD. It is all marketing BS. Sure, you could put a couple in RAID 0 and reap the benefits...is that your plan?



Ok. Can we all say "told you so" when you come back on here complaining that your PSU died and took everything else in your case with it?

Sorry if I sound like a dick, but maybe you should do some more research yourself. You asked for a rate my build and sadams pretty much told ya how it is.



Why are people so anal about PSU's in new builds? I have been building PC's for 15 years and have never had a PSU fail on me.

I am currently using a 350 watt rosewill that came with a case, i have not had a single issue with it in over 5 years.

I have never ever ever heard of a PSU dying and "taking everything else in your case with it". Thats an old wives tale my boy.

Edit: Buying the 6gb/s drive because it is cheaper than the 3gb drive. Within a few months i will be getting a 250ish GB SSD i will be using stand alone (250gb is plenty for what i do).
April 15, 2011 4:09:52 PM

Scotty99 said:
Why are people so anal about PSU's in new builds? I have been building PC's for 15 years and have never had a PSU fail on me.

I am currently using a 350 watt rosewill that came with a case, i have not had a single issue with it in over 5 years.

I have never ever ever heard of a PSU dying and "taking everything else in your case with it". Thats an old wives tale my boy.

Edit: Buying the 6gb/s drive because it is cheaper than the 3gb drive. Within a few months i will be getting a 250ish GB SSD i will be using stand alone (250gb is plenty for what i do).


Actually, it happened to my dad when he bought a barebones kit from an e-tailer some years ago. Bye bye mobo, cpu, and ram. :cry:  Congrats on being lucky so far.

Edit: Are you aware that repetative writes/rewrites degrade SSDs, resulting in slower speeds and a shorter life?
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April 15, 2011 4:20:52 PM

I'll throw my $0.02 in:

I'm not a fan of 1.65v Ram on the P67 MB. People use 1.5v G.Skill, Cosair, Mushkin for a reason (stability).
I'm not saying it won't work, just not a fan.
The MB combo seems like a good deal $ wise as long as the RAM works.

DO NOT SKIMP THE ON PSU. here is a few more options (Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, SilverStone all good choices):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you can also try jonnyguru sometimes the site will find some off brands that are solid buys.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Cool (different) choice in GPU it matches well with the GTX 460 768mb performance wise and looks cool +1^

kind of a plan choice in cases. check out these. I call them "Zombie killer" cases.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

on the HD, sadams04 is right, the Samsung will out perform the WD "blue" any day the week. even a WD Raptor does use the bandwidth of SATA3G. SATA 6G only come into play with the new GEN of SSD's.

hope this helps you in building a solid RIG. I like different, you just need to be smart about it.

I'll look around and see if i see any combo's with good PSU's or something.

I'll search Microcenter also. Which one are you near?

we are here to help and give advice, not be confrontational. I have built/designed/help build a least 300 computers in the last year alone (for friends, family and work) most of the regulars on these threads have similar experience, and I am an avid FPS Gamer.

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April 15, 2011 4:45:12 PM

Poeple are anal, as you say, about power supplies for a few valid reasons.
1.) When they fail it is typically from poor manufacturing or poor cooling. This is why people recommend Antec, Corsair, XFX, etc... instead of crappy run-of-the-mill brands.
2.) No one in their right mind would believe the specs of a low-end brand.
3.) All power supplies degrade over time lowering both efficiency and output.
4.) Running multiple GPUs is a common upgrade as is adding more components. Planning ahead saves money as no one wants to buy more than one power supply over the life of a PC.
I agree it is a low probability of a power supply taking out all other components, but that is no reason to skimp in this space.

I stand corrected on recommending the HD 6850. Stick with the HD 5850...

On the memory front... at least switch it to 1.5v modules.

The WD Blue is a poor performer and has a high failure rate, but if you are a WD fanboy then that is the drive for you.
April 15, 2011 6:03:53 PM

Scotty,

First, my apologies for sounding like a dick. I have since had lunch and my daily Red Bull.

Second, I was speaking from personal experience with my dad's PSU. While this doesn't happen often, I truly believe you have had good luck with cheap PSUs. Sadams04's reasons above are more relevent than my sob story.

Third, don't skimp on the power supply. ;)  Regardless of what you choose, good luck with your build.
April 15, 2011 6:24:49 PM

Thanks for the replies!

Of course i do want a an antec/corsair as a PSU and might go that route, but i would have to skimp in other areas.

I choose the 6gb/sec blue because of the price, not for performance (ATM it is cheaper than the 3gb/s model, and basically the cheapest 7200 rpm drive on newegg, i could save 5 bucks but lose 250gb's of storage). Why do you consider the blue a poor performer? I have used all variations except the green power savers and had no issues with any, i would imagine speeds are nearly identical from black to blue. I know i cannot personally tell speed differences going from one 7200 rpm drive to the next. I did notice a large difference when i went from 5400-7200 though :p  Also, i realize to take advantage of 6gb/s speed i will need a sata III SSD or a raid setup, again this choice was simply based on price.

I am not too keen on SSD tech yet, but is the guy above stating using a SSD as a stand alone hard drive a bad idea? I do not play a whole lot of games yet, but if i eventually do what is the point of a SSD if i cannot install all of them onto it? Games all need to be installed onto the SSD to take advantage of the performance bonus of an SSD correct?

I chose the combo deal because of price factor for one, but secondly i have seen many issues with g-skill ram (for some reason is now the defacto standard for ram apparently) and power up issues with the new p-67 boards. I remember when g-skill was regarded as a TERRIBLE manufacturer, this is only 8-10 years ago and maybe i still have a bad taste in my mouth from those days. If i was going to pick a memory brand price not withstanding, it would be corsair hands down (corsair is my favorite manufacturer for just about anything they make, but im on a budget).

One more thing is i am not building a rig with crossfire capability, so that did not figure into my PSU choice.
April 15, 2011 6:29:51 PM

Oh ya forgot, also loving that video card i stumbled across! For 150 bucks the performance cannot be beat. Heck, that 5850 is besting 250 dollar (560ti) in some benchmarks all while staying much cooler and quieter than the first generation 5850's (and for some reason, quite a bit faster...probably a combination of optimized drivers and the 6000 PCB).

I am actually going to order this card today before they either go up a bit in price or go out of stock. I am coming from a GT 240 so it should be a fairly large upgrade.
April 15, 2011 6:34:39 PM

I'd have to agree about the PSU...I'd much rather have a quality PSU from Corsair or Antec...you can often get them at a great price...just watch around for the sales.

I believe the Black vs Blue is not based on the drives and speed, but I believe the Blacks have an additional controller to help process faster.

You are correct about 6Gbs of the HDD...no way you'll even be able to touch that with a mechanical drive, but if it's cheaper, no worries, right.

I've had really good experiences with the Samsungs in recent years...high quality, reliable, and plenty fast for mechanical drives.

About SSDs and games...typically games run from RAM, as far as I know. They will boot faster, and maybe change maps faster, but I believe everything is running in memory, so it won't necessarily be that much better than anything else. The OS and most programs you use running on the SSD - those will be much snappier to load, even the boot time will be much better.

The issues with SSDs are that they degrade over time as you read and write more. I believe that is why most use it for data that gets accessed often, but is relatively static (like programs and the OS) and not for data storage.

GSkill has been quite good in the last few years. I still like Crucial and Corsair, but would trust GSkill as well...have seen very good things with their RAM recently.
April 16, 2011 2:40:44 AM

I'll add the suggestion to skip the DVD drive and go with a Blu-Ray drive. The sub-$20 price is nice, but you're missing what you should be watchin'.
April 16, 2011 4:08:54 AM

meh 99$ for win7
use torrent lol
if you wont oc you dont need cooler too
maybe 6850?
April 16, 2011 3:10:58 PM

nagash said:
meh 99$ for win7
use torrent lol


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