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February 9, 2011 4:59:19 PM

Hello,

My ststem is currently

Q6600 Quad core Clocked from 2.4 to 3.00
4 GIG corsair XMS memory
Stryker 2 extreme M/B
All watercooled including my GPU's
Main HDD Raptor 150 gig
Win7 64 BIT
Thermaltake toughpower 750W PSU
2 optical Drives and 3 other Hdd's

Budget not really a problem but I want value for money, I don't want to pay £100 more for a flagship card for 5% more power

I currently have 2 8800GTX's in SLI mode, and I think it's time to upgrade. PSU worries me slightly, is it powerfull enough for a top notch card.

I was thinking about the GTX580 as for many years I've been buying Nvidia without really thinking about Radeon espically with having the Nvidia 790 chipset on M/B

it's a minefield these days buying a GPU should I mix nvidia chipset with Radeon or stick with Nvidia, Nvidia seems to have the fastest single GPU BUT Radeon seems to outperform it in quite a few benchmarks.

I was thinking about 2 460's in SLI but then decided I'D rather buy 1 powerful card then maybe in a year or so time buy another for SLI when they are cheaper.

You guys know more real life experience what are your thoughts please

I hope I've included enough info

More about : gtx 580 radeon 5970

a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 5:45:32 PM

5970's are hard to find and are currently overpriced, gtx580 is priced accordingly in my opinion, it's quite a bit better than both 6970 and gtx480 (25-30%) and it's also priced 25-30% higher.

That PSU should be fine for either a single gtx580 or 5970, but you'll have to upgrade if you want to SLI later on.

Youc can use whatever cpu/mobo/gpu combination you want, it doesn't really matter if it's a nV or intel chipset with a AMD card. It's always better to buy a single powerful card rather than 2 weaker ones, less dirver problems, heat, power consumption and you'd give yourself an upgrade path.

Looking at your CPU there might be somewhat of a bottleneck for the gtx580 though it wouldn't be too bad. What is your monitor resolution? if it's higher than 1920x1200 don't worry about it, the higher the res the less cpu dependant games are .
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 5:51:02 PM

You might wanna wait a month or two, the new dualgpu 6990 should launch in feb/march
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February 9, 2011 5:51:49 PM

Thakns for your reply

monitor is 22" 1680 by 1050

Higher res less CPU dependant never heard that before how does that work out??


a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 5:52:50 PM

If you have the money for the best video card available, I definitely recommend the GTX580. There is nothing like it at the moment. It is easily the fastest single GPU, and when you put it head to head with a 5970 dual GPU, the positives for the 580 outweigh the negatives for the 5970.

GTX 580
-excellent quiet cooling
-stable drivers
-much better DirectX 11 tesselation performance
-PhysX/3D Vision/CUDA
-better game compatibility
-top performance for a single GPU (even beats the 5970 in some)
-excellent SLI dual card charactreristics, including excellent scaling and very little impact on heat and noise

I have been very happy with my GTX580 (obviously), and would recommend one to you. You will have no regrets. There will be several games where you will be glad that you have the additional horsepower available compared to lesser options. You will really find the card to be quiet and easy to live with, even when pushing it to it's limits. For me, I wanted to have the best so that I never had to wonder if I made the right purchase, and I so that I never have to fiddle around with lowering any detail settings. In fact, I'm having fun trying to find more detail settings I can enable.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 5:54:11 PM

If I were you I would buy two hd6950s (same price as GTX580) and then unlock them to hd6970s by flashing the BIOS. If the BIOS flash doesn't work, flip the switch on the side and you have your old BIOS. The BIOS switch only works once though.
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:10:26 PM

HostileDonut said:
The BIOS switch only works once though.

lol where did you hear that? The other BIOS is write protected so you cant flash that one, but sure you can reflash the other one as many times as you like... The key in the reflashing is to boot from the protected bios, flip the switch while running, flashit and boot from the newly flashed bios. and you can 'copy' the protected one back to the other one...
February 9, 2011 6:14:20 PM

5970's are not worth their price right now. It is much better to get a GTX 580 and another one later for CROSSFIRE or wait for the new flagship 6990
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:17:02 PM

Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Haha, well of course I do not know everything. I thought I heard that it only worked once. Thank you for correcting me.
a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:18:56 PM

linh6496 said:
5970's are not worth their price right now. It is much better to get a GTX 580 and another one later for SLI or wait for the new flagship 6990

Or the GTX590. But seriously, with your other PC components, you should try to be reasonable. You are close, but not quite top of the line enough to match up well with the latest upcoming dual-GPU cards.
February 9, 2011 6:26:21 PM

lol sorry im just another ATI fanboy with an obsession for their vocabulary
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:27:06 PM

HostileDonut said:
If I were you I would buy two hd6950s (same price as GTX580) and then unlock them to hd6970s by flashing the BIOS. If the BIOS flash doesn't work, flip the switch on the side and you have your old BIOS. The BIOS switch only works once though.


Did you not read the bit about the OP having a mobo with an Nvidia 790 SLi chipset or did fanboyism blind you to that? :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:27:26 PM

linh6496 said:
lol sorry im just another ATI fanboy with an obsession for their vocabulary

Hahaha NICE! I love AMD! <3
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:29:36 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Did you not read the bit about the OP having a mobo with an Nvidia 790 SLi chipset or did fanboyism blind you to that? :whistle: 

Hmmm, yeah, I probably should have thought of that.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:31:20 PM

Mousemonkey, BTW you are a fan boy too, so don't act like it is bad.
February 9, 2011 6:33:05 PM

to OP - You could do with a used high end Core 2 Quad or Extreme RIGHT NOW
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:34:46 PM

linh6496 said:
to OP - You could do with a used high end Core 2 Quad or Extreme RIGHT NOW

Why would he do that if he had an i7 950?
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:38:44 PM

HostileDonut said:
Mousemonkey, BTW you are a fan boy too, so don't act like it is bad.

So when did I recommend that someone get two Nvidia cards to run in SLi on a Crossfire board?
February 9, 2011 6:40:14 PM

HURR DURR HERPA DERP


John Fish said:
Hello,

My ststem is currently

Q6600 Quad core Clocked from 2.4 to 3.00

a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:41:26 PM

linh6496 said:
HURR DURR HERPA DERP

Haha, sorry, it was a different thread I was helping someone with when they had the i7 950.
a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:41:36 PM

HostileDonut said:
Why would he do that if he had an i7 950?

Are you even reading the posts, or are you just trying to score more forum points to the point that you forget which one you are in?
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:43:22 PM

Mousemonkey said:
So when did I recommend that someone get two Nvidia cards to run in SLi on a Crossfire board?

You just said it like it was a bad thing. I am nor trying to argue.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:44:45 PM

17seconds said:
Are you even reading the posts, or are you just trying to score more forum points to the point that you forget which one you are in?

No I wasn't, I just remembered the CPU from the other forum and then screwed up. Sorry, I am not trying to mess with people and "score forum points". I was just trying to help.
a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:45:47 PM

HostileDonut said:
No I wasn't, I just remembered the CPU from the other forum and then screwed up. Sorry, I am not trying to mess with people and "score forum points". I was just trying to help.

I was joking around, anyway. I thought it was funny that we are both tied at 560 points... for today.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:47:27 PM

Oh, okay. :D 
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:49:06 PM

HostileDonut said:
You just said it like it was a bad thing. I am nor trying to argue.

It can be a bad thing if it does nothing to help the OP.
February 9, 2011 6:49:46 PM

abit off topic but wat are points
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:51:37 PM

linh6496 said:
abit off topic but wat are points

Click on the "More information" link under anyone's avatar.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 6:55:18 PM

I vote for either a GTX 560 Ti or a GTX 570 if you have the money.
February 9, 2011 7:36:57 PM

WOW thanks for all the replys

it was informative and quite funny reading all that, mixing Nvidia with crossfire that could be fun and upgrading my CPU halfway through the thread. LOL

Seriously though thanks for your help, So it seems that my system will push a GTX 580 ok but anything coming up in a dual GPU stakes might be bottlenecked by my system.

OK so I think I'll stick with Nvidia now the only question it would seem is 560,570 or 580 is the extra money really worth it
a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 8:04:46 PM

The safe bet would be the GTX570. Almost a GTX580, but a lot less expensive.
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 8:08:18 PM

I'm going to chuck a couple of 560's at my 680i board and see what happens.
a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 8:10:26 PM

Mousemonkey said:
I'm going to chuck a couple of 560's at my 680i board and see what happens.

You got a brand scoped out? The Gigabyte SOC was king of the hill for about a week or two while they were available. It seems the MSI Twin Frozr is the next best bet.
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 8:15:20 PM

17seconds said:
You got a brand scoped out? The Gigabyte SOC was king of the hill for about a week or two while they were available. It seems the MSI Twin Frozr is the next best bet.

No, I've just been watching the pricing for the moment and at release the the cheapest was £203 and now it's £185.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 8:17:48 PM

John Fish said:
WOW thanks for all the replys

it was informative and quite funny reading all that, mixing Nvidia with crossfire that could be fun and upgrading my CPU halfway through the thread. LOL

Seriously though thanks for your help, So it seems that my system will push a GTX 580 ok but anything coming up in a dual GPU stakes might be bottlenecked by my system.

OK so I think I'll stick with Nvidia now the only question it would seem is 560,570 or 580 is the extra money really worth it

I think the highest you should go is a GTX 570 or else you might not take hold of all the GTX 580's power. The bottleneck effect. What did you upgrade your CPU to? It might support a GTX 580 without bottlenecks.
February 9, 2011 9:08:25 PM

sorry that was a reference to you mentioning the I7 950 (just a joke)

I've been reading this for hours now starting to get brain freeze

560 £200
570 £300
580 £400 When is toms hardware due to release another GPU chart

It looks like the 570 is about a 14% performance increase for 50% more cost over the 560

My Brain hurts I'm off to bed will read more tomorrow
a c 607 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 9:13:11 PM

February 9, 2011 9:20:32 PM

+1 570. I <3 mine.
a b U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 9:27:08 PM

John Fish said:
sorry that was a reference to you mentioning the I7 950 (just a joke)

I've been reading this for hours now starting to get brain freeze

560 £200
570 £300
580 £400 When is toms hardware due to release another GPU chart

It looks like the 570 is about a 14% performance increase for 50% more cost over the 560

My Brain hurts I'm off to bed will read more tomorrow

Oh, haha, I thought you were using the i7 950 when you said, you got me mixed up again. :D  I hate you guys for being so mean...... *sarcasm*
a c 106 U Graphics card
February 9, 2011 10:48:09 PM

A 5970 is faster, but as previously pointed out since you have an SLi board you are currently limited to one card. Since they are being phased out to prepare for the 6990 (and because the 5800 cards that use the same chip have been replaced), it's hard to say you can buy one now and a second one latter when you upgrade the rest of your system as they will be harder to find latter on. Also, a 5970 is overkill right now for 1680x1050. I suppose I can't really talk since I have the same res and two 5870s :p .

Anyway, I say get a single GTX 570 which should be more than enough for now. You can overclock it and add a second one latter when you need more power. It's true that the 560 and 6870 are better values for the money, but since you have an SLI board and all ^_^. You may also want to consider running two GTX 460s or two 560s in SLI. The 560 is what the 460s should have been after all. A decent 460 card with a good cooler will overclock pretty well.
February 10, 2011 5:35:15 AM

Thanks matto for the chart and megaman

maybe a 580 would be overkill for twice the price

maybe the 560 is the card for me I might wait for the 2 gig version though
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 3:50:26 PM

It actually depends on pixels, not monitor size.
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 4:02:04 PM

^ Yes.

You'd only need that much for a 2560x1600, though a few games like metro 2033 x8 AA at 1920 will make 1gb card struggle.
a c 145 U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 4:08:18 PM

HostileDonut said:
It actually depends on pixels, not monitor size.


yes it does but normally most people know 22' inch in common will have 1920x1080. right now i think it is a bit overkill to have 2GB ram for that resolution. but it depends on the games like wiinippongamer said
February 10, 2011 4:22:50 PM

I'm looking to upgrade monitor in the next year to 24" or maybe 26" so memory might help with this

also with the 560 I can also upgrade my sound card at the moment I have a soundblaster audigy 2 I was thinking on getting a Fatality card the titanium I think it is £100 mark but maybe thats a question for another forum
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 4:57:55 PM

And why would you want to swap such a good ole' sound card? I don't think there's a noticeable difference in audio quality by going with the fatality, not even for an audiophile.
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 5:01:37 PM

^+1 I think he wants the BEST OF THE BEST.
February 10, 2011 5:21:18 PM

LOL

Well my Soundcard is 7 years old and I thought the Fatility might take a little stress off my CPU also I'm having problems getting my microphone working properly, I thought it might be struggling to talk to win7 64 bit.

BUT yes it's a great soundcard I bought it when I bought some THX speakers and wanted to match them to a THX soundcard I've been more than happy with it. PLEASE let me spend some money on a new one

I mean come on firstly I've decided not to buy the 580 and go for a lower 560 and now you don't want me to buy a new soundcard , OH well more money for beer I suppose
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 5:29:16 PM

Use driver sweeper in safe mode to clean all creative driver leftovers, then install the latest ones, that should solve any issues.
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 5:44:47 PM

Nice, beer. :non:  But we don't make your decisions for you, after all, we are not the government.... :lol:  Go ahead and get new ones if your don't work properly. No matter what, you will have a good sound card. Have fun with your new GTX560 Ti!
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