Canon Rebel 350D/Rebel XT vs Nikon D70

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Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....

- Siddhartha

 

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your like 2 days late ...

 

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Is it true Nikon has something going on with a 10MP aps sized sensor? This
could get interesting.

I'm not going to upgrade my Rebel for 2 MP improvement even if there are
more features. As from the test there is virtually nothing gained. Going
from 6 to 10MP should be a worthwhile improvement. Not sure I'd leave Canon
for it though. Too many lenses to replace.
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"Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy2000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
>
> - Siddhartha
>

 

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Chuck wrote:
> your like 2 days late ...

I think he's looking for an informed comparison of the two (not just by
the numbers), which I'd also like to see as I'm planning to make a
purchase fairly soon.

Randy. (who's still leaning toward the D70)

 

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"Randy W. Sims" <RandyS@ThePierianSpring.org> wrote in message
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> Chuck wrote:
>> your like 2 days late ...
>
> I think he's looking for an informed comparison of the two (not just by
> the numbers), which I'd also like to see as I'm planning to make a
> purchase fairly soon.
>
> Randy. (who's still leaning toward the D70)

Well, let's put it this way: You wouldn't be making a mistake buying the
D70, especially with all the rebates right now.

 

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In article <JYqdnQG2MfeGyYvfRVn-qw@comcast.com>, sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net
says...
>
> "Randy W. Sims" <RandyS@ThePierianSpring.org> wrote in message
> news:8pGdnUO_9Lscz4vfRVn_vA@giganews.com...
> > Chuck wrote:
> >> your like 2 days late ...
> >
> > I think he's looking for an informed comparison of the two (not just by
> > the numbers), which I'd also like to see as I'm planning to make a
> > purchase fairly soon.
> >
> > Randy. (who's still leaning toward the D70)
>
> Well, let's put it this way: You wouldn't be making a mistake buying the
> D70, especially with all the rebates right now.
>
>
>


I used a buddy's D70 for a weekend, and except for some moire on a couple of
shots of a girl in a corduroy suit, I loved every shot I took.

Its past being a good camera and almost into being a great camera, the only
holdback being that one little problem.

I just inherited a suitcase full of Canon glass (nobody died, it was given to
me) and most of the lenses can be used in the Rebel or the New Rebel, so
thats what has kept me from buy a D70.


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In article <1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Siddhartha Jain says...
> Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....

Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...
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"Alfred Molon" <alfred_molonREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> Siddhartha Jain says...
>> Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
>
> Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...

What about smaller/lighter?

 

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In article <MPG.1c803c6010f1415398a9db@news.supernews.com>,
alfred_molonREMOVE@yahoo.com says...
> In article <1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> Siddhartha Jain says...
> > Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
>
> Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...
>

ONLY if it takes better pictures.

I have a Sony F-717, and a Sony F-828.

The first is 5mp
The second is *mp

The first has only MINIMAL problem with fringing in a photo with strong
backlighting or a small high contrast are (like sunlight or spotlight
glinting of the gold/silver on a western saddle)

The second has a problem with the purple fringing that is MUCH more
pronounced.... Which one do you think Im going to use if Im shooting those
circumstances???

The 5mp gets used MORE when I'm more likely to have backlighting or glinting
in the picture. I want BETTER pictures, not BIGGER pictures.

If Im forced to print an 8x10 from the 5mp shot, I would rather do it and NOT
have the fringing, thank you very much.

Im not much impressed with the quality of pictures from most of the 8mp
cameras (non-DSLR) whether I'll be impressed with the ones from a DSLR
remains to be seen. The sensors are larger, so the picture should have less
noise.

What I've seen on-line looks good, but I didn't take them, so I dont know
(for sure) whats been done to them between camera and website.


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In article <MPG.1c8000517e33ddc99896b8@news.individual.NET>,
larrylynch3rd@comcast.net says...
> In article <MPG.1c803c6010f1415398a9db@news.supernews.com>,
> alfred_molonREMOVE@yahoo.com says...
> > In article <1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> > Siddhartha Jain says...
> > > Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
> >
> > Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...
> >
>
> ONLY if it takes better pictures.
>
> I have a Sony F-717, and a Sony F-828.
>
> The first is 5mp
> The second is *mp

That was SUPPOSED to be 8mp

>
> The first has only MINIMAL problem with fringing in a photo with strong
> backlighting or a small high contrast are (like sunlight or spotlight
> glinting of the gold/silver on a western saddle)
>
> The second has a problem with the purple fringing that is MUCH more
> pronounced.... Which one do you think Im going to use if Im shooting those
> circumstances???
>
> The 5mp gets used MORE when I'm more likely to have backlighting or glinting
> in the picture. I want BETTER pictures, not BIGGER pictures.
>
> If Im forced to print an 8x10 from the 5mp shot, I would rather do it and NOT
> have the fringing, thank you very much.
>
> Im not much impressed with the quality of pictures from most of the 8mp
> cameras (non-DSLR) whether I'll be impressed with the ones from a DSLR
> remains to be seen. The sensors are larger, so the picture should have less
> noise.
>
> What I've seen on-line looks good, but I didn't take them, so I dont know
> (for sure) whats been done to them between camera and website.
>
>
>

 

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> Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...

No, isn't so easy!

 

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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> Siddhartha Jain says...
>
>>Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
>
>
> Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...

I wouldn't get too excited about the difference in the sensor
resolution between the D70 and the 350D. You really shouldn't become
fixated on megapixels because there are a lot of other considerations
to be made in the selection of a digital SLR. Actual image quality is
one, but there are other functionality issues as well. Obviously it's
too early for image quality comparisons, so look at the functionality
issues for now:

Functionally, the 350D has a few advantages:

1. True USB 2.0 interface.
2. Available vertical grip.
3. Mirror lock-up.
4. EF-s lenses, especially the EF-s 10-22, for which Nikon does not
yet
have something similar.

The D70 has spot metering, which the EOS-350D doesn't have.

Function-wise, the 350D is high-end consumer/low-end prosumer. I think
that Canon may keep the 300D and drop the price, so they can have a
very low-priced, "entry-level" D-SLR.

Personally, I would not buy an SLR with no vertical grip, I just like
vertical grips a lot. But the D70 does have an aftermarket vertical
grip available, which is sufficient, if a bit of a kludge with
connections via cables since the D70 has no connector for a grip.

It looks like a shakeout is already occuring in digital SLRs, with
everyone but Canon and Nikon becoming low-volume niche players.

I think that Nikon will soon introduce three new digital SLRs (model
numbers made up):

D80. High-end consumer. Upgrade to the D70, with an 8 megapixel CMOS
sensor, and mirror lock-up.

D200. Prosumer. Answer to the 20D, with higher frame rate, 8 megapixel
CMOS sensor, mirror lock-up and vertical grip. The D100 is obsolete.

D3x. Full frame CMOS sensor. Answer to the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II.

Now that Nikon apparently is able to do a CMOS sensor, they will
leverage this as soon as possible to go up against Canon in all
segments.

 

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My D70 has mirror lock up... Am I missing something? I used it to
clean the ccd.

 

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"Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy2000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....

D70: sharp, saturated 6MP images. Spot meter, grid lines on screen.
350D: 8MP slightly lower noise/slightly less frequent Moiré/slightly more
neutral color rendition images. Missing those two useful features.
Otherwise, very very similar. (The 300D -> 350D improvements other than
pixel count were largely playing catch up.)

My opinion: I do _not_ think the 350D deserves to be rated as a D70 killer,
but the extra 2MP (which is pretty much a snore) probably will make it one
in practice.

The lighter weight of the 350D makes it more of a viable option for people
who would normally not look at a dSLR and only consider consumer dcams. (My
300D drops into my briefcase, even with a custom L bracket (tripod mount)
attached, so the 350D without a bracket will be seriously portable.)

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

 

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In article <MPG.1c80249a1cc063f09896bf@news.individual.NET>, Larry
<larrylynch3rd@comcast.net> wrote:

> I used a buddy's D70 for a weekend, and except for some moire on a couple of
> shots of a girl in a corduroy suit, I loved every shot I took.
>
> Its past being a good camera and almost into being a great camera, the only
> holdback being that one little problem.
>
> I just inherited a suitcase full of Canon glass (nobody died, it was given to
> me) and most of the lenses can be used in the Rebel or the New Rebel, so
> thats what has kept me from buy a D70.

eBay is your pla...

 

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Swriter33 wrote:
> My D70 has mirror lock up... Am I missing something?

Yes. Every digital SLR has mirror lock-up for cleaning the sensor. The
D70 doesn't have mirror lock-up for actually taking photos.

 

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:25:10 GMT, "M@O" <M@O.it> wrote:

>
>> Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...
>
>No, isn't so easy!

I think Alfred forgot the smiley there...

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In article <786495bd.0502181910.699b25ec@posting.google.com>, Steven
Scharf says...
> Alfred Molon wrote:
> > In article <1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> > Siddhartha Jain says...
> >
> >>Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
> >
> >
> > Obviously the camera with the higher resolution wins...
>
> I wouldn't get too excited about the difference in the sensor
> resolution between the D70 and the 350D. You really shouldn't become
> fixated on megapixels because there are a lot of other considerations
> to be made in the selection of a digital SLR.

Unless you need the extra resolution. I wouldn't mind buying a 14 or
22MP camera if the price was not too high. As for image quality, I'd
guess the new 350 will produce images with (at the very least) good
enough quality.
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On 18 Feb 2005 22:29:43 -0800, "Swriter33" <tony@povertyisland.com> wrote:

>My D70 has mirror lock up... Am I missing something? I used it to
>clean the ccd.

Yeah. You're missing the idea that it would be nice to have mirror lock up for
taking photos. The idea is, to flip up the mirror, and allow time for the
resultant vibrations to die down before opening the shutter.


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Christopher Pollard wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2005 22:29:43 -0800, "Swriter33" <tony@povertyisland.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My D70 has mirror lock up... Am I missing something? I used it to
>>clean the ccd.
>
>
> Yeah. You're missing the idea that it would be nice to have mirror lock up for
> taking photos. The idea is, to flip up the mirror, and allow time for the
> resultant vibrations to die down before opening the shutter.
>
Where is this critical? I was under the impression it was used only in
slow shutter situations, on a tripod.

Has not the mirror pop up and back improved over the years?

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"Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy2000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
>
> - Siddhartha

I've been doing on-line research between Nikon D70 and Canon's 20D and
Digital Rebel for some time. Also, I've spoken with several friends who
have one system or the other and another friend who is a professional
photographer. The preferences vary, but most folks are happy with what they
own.

Today, I went to the corner camera store and test drove a Digital Rebel and
a Nikon D70. Huge difference in feel. The Canon was very small in my hands
and was very light. The package lens felt fragile, and the controls had a
cheap feel. In contrast, the Nikon body and kit lens had a much more solid
feel. While weight isn't good when you're lugging it around for hours at a
time, a camera is a tool, and should feel good in your hands.

I'm waiting to play with a Rebel 350D before I make a decision, but right
now, I'm leaning Nikon. I'll lean harder that way if they upgrade their
sensor to 8mp...

I still want to get a 20D in my hands, although I'm not sure I'm a serious
enough user to spend the extra ~$500.

KB

 

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Kyle Boatright wrote:
> "Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy2000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1108735305.684678.264970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Ok, someone had to do it. Now go ....
>>
>>- Siddhartha
>
>
> I've been doing on-line research between Nikon D70 and Canon's 20D and
> Digital Rebel for some time. Also, I've spoken with several friends who
> have one system or the other and another friend who is a professional
> photographer. The preferences vary, but most folks are happy with what they
> own.
>
> Today, I went to the corner camera store and test drove a Digital Rebel and
> a Nikon D70. Huge difference in feel. The Canon was very small in my hands
> and was very light. The package lens felt fragile, and the controls had a
> cheap feel. In contrast, the Nikon body and kit lens had a much more solid
> feel. While weight isn't good when you're lugging it around for hours at a
> time, a camera is a tool, and should feel good in your hands.
>
> I'm waiting to play with a Rebel 350D before I make a decision, but right
> now, I'm leaning Nikon. I'll lean harder that way if they upgrade their
> sensor to 8mp...
>
> I still want to get a 20D in my hands, although I'm not sure I'm a serious
> enough user to spend the extra ~$500.
>
Please post back your reflections on the 350D. Could be interesting!

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John McWilliams wrote:

> Where is this critical? I was under the impression it was used only in
> slow shutter situations, on a tripod.
>
> Has not the mirror pop up and back improved over the years?

Probably, but never enough. On the EOS-1v there is an active damping system,
but on pretty much every other SLR/DSLR the mirror slap problem remains. CW is
that a shot of 1/10 or so down to about 1/125 or so, on a tripod, will benefit
from a mirror lockup. The real times vary from camera model to model and may
affected by other mass (flash, lens, coupling to tripod).

Some people subscribe to a range of 1 sec down to 1/250 as 'mirror lockup' range.

On Maxxum cameras, a 2 sec delay is used for mirror lockup. (When in that mode,
the shutter is delayed by 2 sec after the mirror is up).

Cheers,
Alan.

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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:14:03 -0800, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

>Christopher Pollard wrote:
>> On 18 Feb 2005 22:29:43 -0800, "Swriter33" <tony@povertyisland.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My D70 has mirror lock up... Am I missing something? I used it to
>>>clean the ccd.
>>
>>
>> Yeah. You're missing the idea that it would be nice to have mirror lock up for
>> taking photos. The idea is, to flip up the mirror, and allow time for the
>> resultant vibrations to die down before opening the shutter.
>>
>Where is this critical? I was under the impression it was used only in
>slow shutter situations, on a tripod.
>
>Has not the mirror pop up and back improved over the years?

Yes, but for critical work at shutter speeds of 1 sec to about 1/15
it's still nice to have. On a lot of slr's using the self timer will
accomplish the same thing.

 

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> Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtri@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> I'm curious to see the noise and color accuracy
> performance of the 350D. Can technology compensate for
> such small sensors in an inexpensive camera?

APS-size isn't that small, compared to digicam sensor
sizes. And pel density seems to be the biggest factor
in noise (at least today). The next issue is: can the
glass actually resolve to the sensor res?

> Sony's 8MP sensors weren't very impressive.

If Canon starts shipping the 350D before Phil has test
charts, as Sony did with the DSC-F828, then we'll have
our answer. But my guess is that there's no noise issue.

I ran the numbers once, and my faulty recollection is
that an APS-size sensor would have to get to 20Mp or
so before it was at the same pel density as that Sony
'F828 sensor.

It will be interesting to see where the Mpixel race
tops out at the various sensors sizes. I daresay that
the reach of the tiny digicam sensors has already
exceeded their grasp at 8Mp.

On the 350D kit, will dpreview's test charts be
testing the camera, or the lens? We await the results.

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