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April 16, 2011 7:47:54 PM

Can I get some feedback on what I have thrown togeather so far:


Useage: FPS, WoW, Gaming in general, Internet


COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SAMSUNG P2770FH ToC Rose Black 27" 1ms Full HD HDMI LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Full
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


EDIT: Memory and psu OS added

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April 16, 2011 9:30:37 PM

Pros and cons to subbing in a SSD drive appreciated as well.

Input on the Samsung 27" monitor too.
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April 16, 2011 11:43:25 PM

Looking to pull the trigger on this build by sunday to take advantage of the Newegg promos.
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April 17, 2011 12:08:16 AM

Adding an SSD means that your computer will boot a lot quicker, and any programs on the SSD will load quicker as well. You would still most likely need a hard-drive in there as well though. Cons are that it is a lot more expensive.

27" monitor is fine. I'm personally a fan of the Samsung monitors at the moment so all it good. I suppose you are getting that specific one for the response times?

Watch out with that after market cooler running into your RAM. Ensure that the RAM slots near the CPU socket are far enough away from the cooler or the cooler leaves clearance for you to install those.

Finally, you could save some money by going with an AMD Radeon 6950 2GB instead of your GTX570! But otherwise the GTX570 is still a good card!
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April 17, 2011 12:18:30 AM

Samsung monitor for a few reasons, size, response time, price, Newegg promo code, as well as my current lcd monitor, samsung 204t has been rock solid for the last 6+ years clocking mad useage time so I am a tad biased towards the samsung brand.

As for the ssd man there are a lot of pro and con opinions out there from data corruption and inner workings to price to the pro of above average load times as well as talk of them only being usefull for gaming for load times where most of gaming processes take place in memory.
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April 17, 2011 1:18:45 AM

First off I would size up on the psu so that you have head room to run two of those cards and o/c, etc...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$20.00 Combo Price: $209.98 $20.00 Mail-In Rebate Card Price After Mail-In Rebate(s): $189.98
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Discount: -$18.00 Combo Price: $556.98
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EPUQAE/ref=s9_simh... $154.82 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower Case with SuperSpeed USB 3.0 - (RC-932-KKN5-GP)
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April 17, 2011 5:59:46 AM

Maxmilkin said:
As for the ssd man there are a lot of pro and con opinions out there from data corruption and inner workings to price to the pro of above average load times as well as talk of them only being usefull for gaming for load times where most of gaming processes take place in memory.


Well this SSD is going in a desktop right? Just saying because a lot of the risks related with Hard Drives are if they are dropped which is unlikely to occur when it is sitting in a big hulking computer tower which hardly gets moved at all. So the risks of data corruption and loss from hard drive damage are minimized compared to a laptop computer. That being said, you should always back up all your important files anyway in order to prevent data loss. Things such as work related documents can be backed up to online storage facilities such as Dropbox. Music, photos and videos can be backed up to a tape drive or pocket hard drive and as I understand, for gaming the installer can be re-downloaded from the Steam account.

Speed and low latency are the main advantages of SSDs though. You just have to work out how much the extra performance is going to mean to you ... Sure the frame rates of your games are probably going to be about the same compared to a computer without the SSD, but the startup time of your computer could be under half the time as it would have been without the SSD, programs on the SSD may load up to twice as fast, and game loading times would be a lot shorter. Granted someone like me doing more content creation (programming in VB6, Java, editing graphics, and massively multitasking on two monitors) would notice the advantages of having an SSD in my system a lot more than someone who only uses their computer for gaming, but hey its a free country ... if you want/can afford an SSD you can have one and there is no-one who can tell you that you are not allowed an SSD.

So now the question is up to you ...

Do you want to spend an extra $100 on an SSD

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Can you wait a little longer for your computer to boot/load programs and perhaps spend the money on a faster GPU that may extend the life of your computer for gaming purposes.


Don't forget that you can add an SSD in the future by simply buying an SSD and then reinstalling the OS onto it. Also you may want to get a HDD with a bigger cache ... the Samsungs are only 32MB which is alright, but a Western Digital 64MB cache would reduce latency a little.

The samsung however would be perfectly fine if paired with an SSD.
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April 17, 2011 6:36:51 AM

I would get the GTX 480 for the extra VRAM, otherwise go 580.
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April 17, 2011 5:28:34 PM

Case / PSU - HAF-X is a great case .... my 2nd favorite in fact .... the PSU is a good one but a bit small for twin 570's, I'd want an 850 watter.....but at $340 for the combo, a bit expensive. Alternative to consider would be an Antec DF-85 (my personal favorite) w/ a CP-850 ($275 total) for a savings of $65. If ya stuck on the HAF-X, put an XFX Black Edition 850 in it for a savings of $30 plus an slight increase in quality:

On the CP-850, jonny writes: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

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It is completely unmatched by any ATX unit on the market I can think of. You'd have to spend twice as much as this thing costs to find the next best thing, performance wise.


On the XFX Black joinny writes: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

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the XFX 850W Black Edition came looking to make a splash, and ended up doing a cannonball big enough to just about drown the competition. Voltage


MoBo / CPU - You went high end on everything else, so was surprised ya went with a budget MoBo ... why only a 2 year warranty ?.... was one before B3 fix.

$380 for Asus P8P67 Pro & 2500k, $5 less than your choice w/ full 3 year warranty
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Cooler / TIM - Hyper 212 was a great budget cooler in its day but the Mugen 2 outperforms it by 7C making it today's "best bang for the buck". If ya go looking at web sites for performance comparisons, make sure their test rig isn't using an old LGA 775 test bed . Put it on w/ Shin Etsu

RAM - CAS 9 DDR3-1333 will work, but can get DDR3-1600 for same price and low profile set which eliminates interference issues with CPU cooler. Also consider if lower CAS will be of benefit to you. For example, lowering CAS from 8 to 6 had some significant impacts in anandtech's tests ...... but is it worth $60 to you ?:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2792/12

22.3 % (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in Far Cry 2
18% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in Dawn of war
15% (single card) / 5% (SLI) increase in minimum frame rated w/ C6 instead of C8 in World in Conflict

DDR3-1600 CAS 9 ($84)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DDR3-1600 CAS 7 $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - The 570 gets 524 fps in Guru3D's test suite w/ a single card, 873 in SLI. The 900 MHz 560 gets 495 / 862. That's not much for a $110 difference in price. The 900 MHz versions of the 560 are also very easily overclockable to 1000 MHZ. Just holding the OC increase scaling, I'd expect the 1000 Mhz setting to do (535/932). Granted you can OC a 570 to but many peple doing so in trying to reach similar % overclocks have pushed voltage beyond manufacturers stated maximums and fried the VRM on their boards.

I OC'd a 900Mhz ASUS GTX560 TI DirectCU II TOP yesterday (see link below) w/o having to increase voltage at all.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_asus_gtx...

Last week newegg had the Gigabyte version for $215 .... best I see today is $240

OS - I'd drop to the Pro version and save $40

Monitor - I'd drop from a 27" to a 23" or 23.6". The ideal PPI (pixels per inch) is about 96 .... higher and things get sharper but ya acn't see individual pixels, lower they start to get grainy as you can see individual pixels. A 1920 x 1080 resolution is just 81.6 on a 27".....on a 23.6", it's 93.3 .... on a 23", it's 95.8. ..... if ya have "old eyes" and have trouble reading text (fas sighted), ya might wanna stick with the 27". If eyes are OK, you'll see a better image and save $80. Each of the monitors below got better user ratings than the Samsung.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|24-236-052^24-236-052-TS%2C24-236-117^24-236-117-TS

With the $65 on the Case / PSU combo, $5 on the MoBo and $40 on the OS, minus $10 on the cooler .... ya have an extra $100 to spend

2 x GTX 560 Ti (900MHz) will cost ya $480
1 x GTX 570 was costing ya $350

With the $100 savings, ya only $30 short of twin 560 Ti's and a 65% increase in frame rates over your 570 based build ! ... and that's "out of the box" w/ overclocking the boards when ya get them. Metro 2033 gets 27 fps on the 570 .... 49 on twin 900 Mhz 560's.

If ya go w/ the smaller monitor, then that eats the extra $30 for twin vid cards and also gets ya just $10 short of the CAS 7 RAM.
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April 17, 2011 6:30:27 PM

Now for the SSD question.... I just build pretty much the same puter as above for Son No. 3.


1. Set up HD as follows:

C:\OS (64 GB)
D:\Games (Balance of HD)
E:\Programs (128 GB)
F:\Data (128 GB)

2. I moved the User Files default location to F:\Users

3. I then unplugged the HD data cable and installed the SSD

4. Repeated Step 2

What this does for me is give me an alternate boot from which I can restore on OS image back to the SSD if for some reason it gets fudged.

Now I do have to say that I had to change the user name under each boot because I had trouble (unless I paid very close attention) telling which OS I was booting into. And, no, it's not a slow HD, it's this one:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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For a hard drive, the Barracuda XT series offers the best performance available from a 7200 RPM mechanical storage device.


The Barracuda XT takes 21.2 seconds to boot (to password entry box) after selecting it in the BIOS
The Vertex 3 takes 15.6 seconds to boot after selecting it in the BIOS .... or about 26 % faster
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