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February 10, 2011 4:41:07 PM

Hello. I'm planning on selling my current gpu setup, which is a few years old. I have the asus 4870x2 + an additional 4870 1gb in Crossfire. It runs everything pretty smooth though, on my 19x12 monitor. However the 4870x2 gets extremely hot under load and, like a frying pan hot..So my question to you is:

What would be a good upgrade, something that would equal in quality, and get the same amount of FPS in games or better?(compared to my 4870x2 + 4870 setup). I would like to go Nvidia this time round, considering their 3d vision technology. Somewhere around 420 USD..

My specs.
Cosmos S
core i7 920 @ 3.6ghz
1600 Mhz DDR3 6gb
Asus Pt6 deluxe
1000w corsair


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February 10, 2011 5:04:24 PM

if you wait until fall, 28nm chips from both ATI and nVidia are coming out.
February 10, 2011 5:11:56 PM

Kewlx25 said:
if you wait until fall, 28nm chips from both ATI and nVidia are coming out.



Thing is, I need an ASAP replacement. There's some dude who really wants to buy my two cards. I can't just tell him to wait a few months hah. Was thinking bout 470s in SLI maybe? It's a bit more pricy than 420 usd.. but meh..Currently I'm playing this MMORPG called RIFT, which I've had countless problems with, and so are other ATI users apparently..
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a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 6:15:17 PM

Dual GTX560 Ti's would be better than Dual GTX 470s. GTX 560s run cooler than GTX470s and use less power, after all the OP is trying to get away from a hot running card so a GTX 470 may not be a good choice.
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 6:19:33 PM

Yeah, GTX 470~480 are like ovens. I once fried an egg on one! :lol:  *sarcasm*
February 10, 2011 6:22:06 PM

HostileDonut said:
Yeah, two GTX 470s. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Dual those. If you can, the GTX 560 Ti's would be really good. I would get those. Maybe one GTX 560 Ti and the later get another.


jprahman said:
Dual GTX560 Ti's would be better than Dual GTX 470s. GTX 560s run cooler than GTX470s and use less power, after all the OP is trying to get away from a hot running card so a GTX 470 may not be a good choice.


How are the 560s compared to the 4870x2? and What about 570s? I could get one now and the other in a month or so..?
what kinda performance differences are therebetween single 570s & single 560s vs. 4870x2?

a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 6:25:06 PM

Well, a hd4870 x2 = two GTX 260s. So two GTX 560 Ti's would blow that away. Two GTX 570s would even blow that away. If you have the money, get two GTX 570s and OC them to be close to two GTX 580s in SLI. MIght want to OC the CPU a bit more though.
February 10, 2011 7:23:30 PM

HostileDonut said:
Well, a hd4870 x2 = two GTX 260s. So two GTX 560 Ti's would blow that away. Two GTX 570s would even blow that away. If you have the money, get two GTX 570s and OC them to be close to two GTX 580s in SLI. MIght want to OC the CPU a bit more though.



Well I doubt I'll be getting two 570s simultaneously, the second would have to come down the road, in a month or two. Would a single 570 outperform a 4870x2 though?..

ANd if I were to overclock the 570, could I do this with stock coolers? cause I can't afford a water cooling kit now on top of this...And if so, how far beyond the stock speed would I be able to overclock the 570s with stock coolers?
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 8:00:53 PM

A GTX570 would outperform a hd4870 x2 but not a hd4870 tri CF. No, you will use the stock cooling unless you want a crazy OC. I would get this GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or this GTX560 Ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Either way you will be happy. Both should have good cooling and be very powerful. I would personally go for the GTX 560 Ti's. Cheaper, can OC to the GTX 570 speeds, (I have heard that, never done it) good cooler, quite, and would be great for SLI due to the amazing scaling. Basically, a GTX 560 Ti is a down-clocked GTX 570.
a b U Graphics card
February 10, 2011 8:02:48 PM

By the way, a GTX 560 would come pretty dang close to beating a hd4870 x2.
February 11, 2011 4:17:14 PM

Heh, I just rechecked my balance. Seems like I can afford a single GTX 580 after all. But ofc I could buy 570s SLI and overclock them a bit, which I believe would outperform a single 580.. or even two 560s and overclock, if they could clock to the same performance of a single 580.. I'm so confused bout what to do know. I'm running 1920x1200 games. Suggestions please !!
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 4:52:05 PM

Well. the GTX 580s are a HUGE rip off. If I were you, because you want Nvidia, get SLI GTX 570s. If youw anted to cut down the price a bit, dual hd6950 unlocked into hd6970s would give you GREAT performance, at a relatively low cost. $260 for each dh6950 and then unlock into hd6970s. If it must be Nvidia, two GTX 570s in SLI, and then you can OC 'em to the GTX 580 speeds.
February 11, 2011 5:29:12 PM

HostileDonut said:
Well. the GTX 580s are a HUGE rip off. If I were you, because you want Nvidia, get SLI GTX 570s. If youw anted to cut down the price a bit, dual hd6950 unlocked into hd6970s would give you GREAT performance, at a relatively low cost. $260 for each dh6950 and then unlock into hd6970s. If it must be Nvidia, two GTX 570s in SLI, and then you can OC 'em to the GTX 580 speeds.


well oki, after a whole day of research and your useful comments I think I'll order two GTX 570s next week some time. However I am planning on overclocking them, but I've read that the 570s don't overclock aswell as the 560s. Nevertheless I am definitely going for the 570s. Any suggestion on what models or brands are good overclockers?

And if I'm going to overclock should i buy one of those "superclocked" versions? and then overclock them even more or ?
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 5:35:58 PM

Btw, I know those cards are pre-OCed, but they have a lot of fans to cool it when you OC more. It would be worth it to me.
February 11, 2011 6:26:27 PM

HostileDonut said:
Btw, I know those cards are pre-OCed, but they have a lot of fans to cool it when you OC more. It would be worth it to me.



aah hah not another tri-fan cooling setup. I really despised my tri-fan cooler on my ASUS EAH 4870x2.. after 10 min in-game under load the fans would make an insane amount of noise at 60% - 70% speed. The fans were so loud my friends on skype with me complained...Seems like I'll be going for two of the GTX 570 Twin Frozr II and overclock em'
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 6:41:03 PM

Well, it is your choice, but I think the noise would be due to the two hd4870 chips in that card getting hot. That card was not a "cool" card. I mean, do what you want, just if I could, tri-fan would be what I would do. You could also contact Newegg (they have really good support) and ask them that if the card is loud you could return it and get a Twin Frozer II. I would do that. You have nothing to lose.
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 6:42:51 PM

This is a Gigabyte GTX 570 tri-cooler review:
Quote:
The cooler performs very well. In a Silverstone FT02 case, playing current games or folding it says in the mid to low 60’s, typically it hangs around 61c. And the fans are relatively quite I don’t hear them over the stock case even under load (under load they spin up to 46% in my system).
February 11, 2011 6:49:24 PM

HostileDonut said:
Well, it is your choice, but I think the noise would be due to the two hd4870 chips in that card getting hot. That card was not a "cool" card. I mean, do what you want, just if I could, tri-fan would be what I would do. You could also contact Newegg (they have really good support) and ask them that if the card is loud you could return it and get a Twin Frozer II. I would do that. You have nothing to lose.



Well thats one thing I haven't mentioned. I'm actually from Norway, therefore I can't order overseas without running into customs and shipping fees. I'm going to use this site (which is in norwegian but not that hard to navigate around if you just use the search box) hah

The only line-up of 570 GPUs they have are these:
http://www.komplett.no/k/search.aspx?mfr=&bn=&sortBy=p&...
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 6:52:11 PM

Well, they still have the Gigabyte and the MSI Twin Frozer II. You could ask them if you could return it if it was too loud, If you are worried get the MSI versions.
February 11, 2011 7:45:14 PM

HostileDonut said:
Well, they still have the Gigabyte and the MSI Twin Frozer II. You could ask them if you could return it if it was too loud, If you are worried get the MSI versions.



Well, just spoke with the guy who wanted to buy my tri fire setup. I've never sold any of my components. I still have all the enclosures and supplies that came with the gpus. How should i prepare the cards for the buyer? Just take em out and clean them and dust em off?

never actually done this before, advice would be appreciated..
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 7:50:46 PM

Do you have air duster? If so, clean them with that. MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THE AIR DUST UPWARD AT ALL TIMES! IT CAN SHOOT LIQUID OUT AND RUIN THE HARDWARE! Also, do not touch the back of the cards, or the gold pins, the oils from your hands can ruin the whole card. If you do not have air-duster, just blower on the card and vacume it. Just get all the dust out of it and make it look good. You could wipe the cover of the card with a DRY wash cloth to get everything off. After that, you should be good.
February 11, 2011 8:02:01 PM

aight thanks for all the great help. Really looking forward to SLI'n 570s. Last question though, my 1000w PSU will handle this right? i have 2 VR 10k rpm 300gb, 920 @ 3,6 Ghz gonna pump it up a bit 3,8 Ghz, or maybe even 4.0 Ghz, 3 sticks of 1600 mhz 2gb ddr3 and a h50.
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 8:05:13 PM

Yes, Corsair is one of the best PSU makers there is. 1000w will handle that fairly easily. Have fun with those two wicked GTX 570s in SLI, man!
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 8:20:15 PM

Btw, how much are you selling them for? I am just curious. :o 
February 11, 2011 8:36:00 PM

HostileDonut said:
Btw, how much are you selling them for? I am just curious. :o 



4870x2 for about 260 usd and the 1gb 4870 for 170 usd...not much but i kinda wanna get rid of em. and it's a fairly small country, compared to the U.S, hence the market isn't that big on computer hardware so it's not that easy to actually get rid em..
a b U Graphics card
February 11, 2011 8:40:05 PM

Dude, you are getting a GREAT DEAL! hd4870 x2 go for $200 and hd4870s go for $120. You are very lucky to sell them for such a good deal.
February 13, 2011 1:15:50 PM

HostileDonut said:
Dude, you are getting a GREAT DEAL! hd4870 x2 go for $200 and hd4870s go for $120. You are very lucky to sell them for such a good deal.



ah .. guess I'll resurect this thread. Seems like the MSI twin frozr's are sold out and won't be coming in again until April...I need these cards in before the 22nd Feb.. Mkay, so I looked around and i stumbled over the GAINWARD GTX 570 Phantom. Maybe I'll just buy two of these instead. From what reviews say It got an insane tri-fan cooling setup and a good OC.

But what I've read is that it is a "near 3-slot" card..which kinda confuses me, and I havent been able to find any dimension specs on this exact model... Now I already have the ATI4870x2 tri-fan cooler installed will it be any thicker than this? and would I be able to fit two PHANTOMS on my ASUS P6T Deluxe board? and I hope they aren't very loud..
a b U Graphics card
February 13, 2011 3:54:13 PM

Please link me your motherboard. I couldn't find it.
a b U Graphics card
February 13, 2011 4:58:52 PM

I wouldn't do it. It looks like you have 5 slots, you will need 6. Go with EVGA if you do not like gigabyte.
February 13, 2011 5:22:06 PM

HostileDonut said:
I wouldn't do it. It looks like you have 5 slots, you will need 6. Go with EVGA if you do not like gigabyte.


I just read that people are really disappointed over the locked voltage settings on the Phantom.. limiting it's OC potential.But I see now that the Gainward GTX 570 http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=619615# has two fans and is already oc'd to 800mhz..Maybe that'l suite me better..? and better for OC'ing
February 13, 2011 5:27:36 PM

The above being the "Golden Sample" GLH I believe..
a b U Graphics card
February 14, 2011 3:24:23 AM

Oh, I forgot, you have to order somewhere else.
a b U Graphics card
February 14, 2011 3:36:13 AM

EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte, and PNY are all good. There are more, just none that come to mind. NEVER BUY PALIT! Their cards are known to break, be hot, and really noisy.
February 14, 2011 7:53:59 AM

I'm Pretty sure that two Phantoms will fit. I just looked in my case, theres a gap between my current two GPUs so I might just go for those. They are really cool and silent.
a c 271 U Graphics card
February 14, 2011 10:05:01 AM

HostileDonut said:
EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte, and PNY are all good. There are more, just none that come to mind. NEVER BUY PALIT! Their cards are known to break, be hot, and really noisy.

I know of Palit cards that have not broken and are neither hot or noisy, a couple of those are 8800GT's which are still running and have always been quieter and cooler than the ones I have.
a b U Graphics card
February 14, 2011 8:43:42 PM

naits360 said:
I'm Pretty sure that two Phantoms will fit. I just looked in my case, theres a gap between my current two GPUs so I might just go for those. They are really cool and silent.

Well, I looked at your mobo and if you have things plugged in by your third PCI-E slot you cannot, but if you don't you can.
February 15, 2011 8:00:44 PM

HostileDonut said:
Well, I looked at your mobo and if you have things plugged in by your third PCI-E slot you cannot, but if you don't you can.



Ye I just saw that.. but I do need those..I'll just go with the GAINWARD Golden Sample, the one with the 2 fans..Whatta you think? two of those wouldn't block for anything underneath would they?
a b U Graphics card
February 15, 2011 8:06:09 PM

If it is a dual slot card, it will work is SLI. It looks like a good card. I would grab that if you cannot get MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte, or PNY.
February 16, 2011 9:49:59 AM

HostileDonut said:
If it is a dual slot card, it will work is SLI. It looks like a good card. I would grab that if you cannot get MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte, or PNY.



Well I could choose from GIGABYTE, GAINWARD, MSI OR EVGA actually.. but these seem to have a better cooler. if I plan to slightly overclock them..
a b U Graphics card
February 16, 2011 3:11:16 PM

Gigabyte also has a dual fan set up, and I have heard that their tri-fan set up is pretty quite.
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