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I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
might not like the heat.

How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
something like that.

Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
and theft light ;)

Wes


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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:43:20 -0500, clutch@lycos.com <clutch@lycos.com> wrote:
>I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
>when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
>during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
>might not like the heat.

>How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
>there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
>camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
>something like that.

>Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
>and theft light ;)

If the batteries can take the heat, so can the camera. Try to keep the
temp under 180 DEGF and you'll be ok.
 
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<clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
> when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
> during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
> might not like the heat.
>
> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
> something like that.
>
> Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
> and theft light ;)
>
Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while the battery
is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy 3500 pickup
since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.

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It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?


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> <clutch@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>> I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
>> when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
>> during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
>> might not like the heat.
>>
>> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
>> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
>> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
>> something like that.
>>
>> Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
>> and theft light ;)
>>
> Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while the
> battery
> is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy 3500
> pickup
> since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
>
> Ron
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:

>> Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while the
>> battery
>> is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy 3500
>> pickup
>> since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
>>

>It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
>conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?

Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
he sees a photo-op.
 
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For the last 2yrs my Canon S400 has remained in my vehicle in repeated
temps of >100 (probably more like 120F inside in direct sun, closed
vehicle) and <20 degrees F with no problems ... I leave it in there so
I will be prepared in case some unexpected thing happens, and yes it
is a pocket camera but I can't always remember to take stuff with me
every day ... In fact, I also leave my Canon Elura2 video cam in
there, too, and it also has had no problems.
 
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clutch@lycos.com wrote:
> I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
> when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
> during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
> might not like the heat.
>
> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
> something like that.
>
> Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
> and theft light ;)
>
> Wes
>
>
A digital camera would probably do just fine at temps that would degrade
the image on a film camera, not that it would do the batteries, or the
LCD any good either. I have been known to store the camera near the
ice-chest...
It does get hot down here in Texas!


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> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com>
wrote:
>
> >> Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while the
> >> battery
> >> is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy 3500
> >> pickup
> >> since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
> >>
>
> >It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
> >conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?
>
> Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
> he sees a photo-op.
>
Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with me. All
the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if a photo-op
arises.

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I would imagine the same method I've used for decades will work. A cooler. I
keep my film and gear in it. No coolant or any rushing it indoors or
anything. OTOH I don't travel through a lot of hot deserts.

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> I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
> when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
> during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
> might not like the heat.
>
> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
> something like that.
>
> Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
> and theft light ;)
>
> Wes
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> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
> something like that.

Why not just leave it in the trunk? It won't be anywhere near as hot, and
there will be less temptation to steal it.
 
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My experience is that the semipro and pro digicams can take the heat
of a closed car in summer - and the pocket/purse ones go with you
indoors.
Of course, just keep the digicam left in the car shaded - both to
keep direct sun off of it and to protect it from theft! Just putting a
nondescript empty grocery bag over the digicam carry bag works fine.

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clutch@lycos.com wrote:
> I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
> when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
> during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
> might not like the heat.
>
> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
> something like that.
>
> Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
> and theft light ;)
>
> Wes

In general digitals are less sensitive to heat than film. However they
still have mechanical parts which may end up being damaged (lube may melt
and end up in the wrong place for example) Batteries may be a problem as
well. I would try to avoid it although I doubt if it will be a problem most
of the time.

I always just keep the camera with me. Less of a target and if I am
comfortable, it is as well.

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In article <111co8ke6feb452@news.supernews.com>, clutch@lycos.com says...
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>I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
>when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
>during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
>might not like the heat.
>
>How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
>there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
>camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
>something like that.
>
>Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
>and theft light ;)
>
>Wes

Wes, I cannot directly address your question, re: digital cameras in a hot
car, but:

Shooting film for two weeks in 130F desert daytime temps, down to 118F at
night, I kept film in a Gott cooler with fresh ice. Gott was bought by
Coleman, IIRC, and their well-insulated design went away. In an uninsulated
camper shell, the ice lasted for ~ days even though we were in and out quite a
bit. Now, to what might be available today - there are several 12v coolers
that plug into cig lighter socket. AutoSport and Girott's [SP?] have offered
them in the past. I've seen the one that was built-in in a Toyota van, and it
did a nice job with film at Arches NP in the Summer.

Some vehicles, like wife's MB S-500 offer AC for the trunk, which works OK,
but not great, because of lack of major insulation.

As a thought, I'd try and keep a digital cool if at all possible, but maybe
someone here can acurately state the safety range.

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>>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>>>>Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while the
>>>>battery
>>>>is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy 3500
>>>>pickup
>>>>since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
>>>>
>>
>>>It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
>>>conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?
>>
>>Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
>>he sees a photo-op.
>>
>
> Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with me. All
> the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if a photo-op
> arises.
>
> Ron
>
>
I want a 1Gigapixel camera built into my eyeball. I often see photo ops
that are so transient that that would be the only way to catch them...
Maybe next year.....


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Ron Recer <ron48@aol.com> wrote:

: "TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
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: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com>
: wrote:
: >
: > Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
: > he sees a photo-op.
: >
: Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with me.
: All the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if a
: photo-op arises.

Things to consider.

A dark colored camera will be suseptable to solar heating causing extreme
heat to build up in the camera if exposed to the sun. Plastic parts can be
weakened or warped by temps in car windows. Magnetic storage media can be
damaged or erased by high heat. Batteries can be damaged or just become
discharged by too much heat (or cold).

But having said this, most cameras are made to withstand the temps that
humans can survive in. So if minimal care is taken, they should be able to
do ok being stored in a car. At a minimum, wrapping a camera in a white
towel (both for heat and vibration protection) and storing on the floor of
the car (away from the heat that can pool near the roof). The suggestion
of a small cooler (also stored out of direct sun) would be a very good
storage idea. If this idea is used, you may want to lean toward a hard
sided cooler with a towel to pad the inside to protect the camera from
impact damage as well as temp. In most cases the insulation of the cooler
would solve the problems of heat buildup in a parked car without any need
to actually chill the box.

JMHO

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Randy Berbaum wrote:
> Ron Recer <ron48@aol.com> wrote:
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> : "TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
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> : > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com>
> : wrote:
> : >
> : > Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
> : > he sees a photo-op.
> : >
> : Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with me.
> : All the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if a
> : photo-op arises.
>
> Things to consider.
>
> A dark colored camera will be suseptable to solar heating causing extreme
> heat to build up in the camera if exposed to the sun. Plastic parts can be
> weakened or warped by temps in car windows. Magnetic storage media can be
> damaged or erased by high heat. Batteries can be damaged or just become
> discharged by too much heat (or cold).
>
> But having said this, most cameras are made to withstand the temps that
> humans can survive in. So if minimal care is taken, they should be able to
> do ok being stored in a car. At a minimum, wrapping a camera in a white
> towel (both for heat and vibration protection) and storing on the floor of
> the car (away from the heat that can pool near the roof). The suggestion
> of a small cooler (also stored out of direct sun) would be a very good
> storage idea. If this idea is used, you may want to lean toward a hard
> sided cooler with a towel to pad the inside to protect the camera from
> impact damage as well as temp. In most cases the insulation of the cooler
> would solve the problems of heat buildup in a parked car without any need
> to actually chill the box.
>
> JMHO
>
> Randy
>
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Good suggestions, Randy. Note that a car parked in direct sun in August
in Texas can reach temps of 160 degrees in just a few minutes. Humans
wouldn't survive long in that temperature. Every year some parent
leaves a child in the car, only to find them dead when they return with
the groceries... Damn sad. Wouldn't hurt a camera left out of the sun,
but is fatal to children and pets.


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> >>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>>Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while the
> >>>>battery
> >>>>is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy 3500
> >>>>pickup
> >>>>since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
> >>>conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?
> >>
> >>Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
> >>he sees a photo-op.
> >>
> >
> > Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with me.
All
> > the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if a photo-op
> > arises.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> I want a 1Gigapixel camera built into my eyeball. I often see photo ops
> that are so transient that that would be the only way to catch them...
> Maybe next year.....
>
Why not get one built into each eyeball? That way you could make stereo
pictures! <g>

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In article <cvidnT8ftu8J7ovfRVn-pQ@giganews.com>,
"Markeau" <please_reply@news.group> wrote:

> For the last 2yrs my Canon S400 has remained in my vehicle in repeated
> temps of >100 (probably more like 120F inside in direct sun, closed
> vehicle) and <20 degrees F with no problems ... I leave it in there so
> I will be prepared in case some unexpected thing happens, and yes it
> is a pocket camera but I can't always remember to take stuff with me
> every day ... In fact, I also leave my Canon Elura2 video cam in
> there, too, and it also has had no problems.

The FZ20 spec gives an operating temp range of 0 to 40 deg C, but does
not state it's storage temperature range. I'd be more afraid of
condensation inside the camera than heat.
 
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Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:

: I want a 1Gigapixel camera built into my eyeball. I often see photo ops
: that are so transient that that would be the only way to catch them...
: Maybe next year.....

Why am I hearing a rapid beeping sound and hearing a voice over saying
something about "we can rebuild him..."? :)

the six million pixel man!

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Randy wrote:
>But having said this, most cameras are made to withstand the temps
that
>humans can survive in. So if minimal care is taken, they should be
able to
>do ok being stored in a car.

They have to be. Anyone think they reach the camera store in
airconditioned 18-wheelers, after arriving from Japan in airconditioned
cargo containers aboard ships?

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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:01:48 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
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>I want a 1Gigapixel camera built into my eyeball. I often see photo ops
>that are so transient that that would be the only way to catch them...
>Maybe next year.....

I don't know about you, but I only have 16K of RAM, and I haven't
upgraded at all...
Not much room to save pics there.

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 23:16:50 GMT, "Andrew Koenig" <ark@acm.org> wrote:

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>> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
>> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
>> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
>> something like that.
>
>Why not just leave it in the trunk? It won't be anywhere near as hot, and
>there will be less temptation to steal it.
>
I would think it would be just as hot in the long run. And the long
run isn't all that long - 15 minutes or so. Very little air
circulation, and a large surface area to soak up and re-radiate the
sun's heat. With less insulation than the passenger area.
And with the popularity of pickups/SUVs, many don't have a trunk.

I live in Phoenix, so this really is a concern in the summer. I've
found that leaving the camera inside the Expedition, on the floor, in
its case, with a towel over it (to hide from prying eyes) has worked
very well. The camera, CF cards and batteries don't seem to mind the
heat at all. This has worked with a D600L, a 3030Z, a Digital Rebel,
and an A75.
Leaving the camera in the sun is a definite no-no. It must be shaded.
The sun here can be brutal to anything if it's not protected somehow.

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:28:30 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:

>clutch@lycos.com wrote:
>> I've looked around a bit and haven't seen much on this subject. Back
>> when I was shooting film, the idea of having a camera in a parked car
>> during summer seemed like a very bad idea since I figured the film
>> might not like the heat.
>>
>> How do digital cameras hold up in hot closed up parked cars? Are
>> there any reasonable cost storage containers that will protect the
>> camera? Likely using something like a peltier effect cooler or
>> something like that.
>>
>> Are digicams sturdy enough to take the heat if not in direct sunlight
>> and theft light ;)
>>
>> Wes
>>
>>
>A digital camera would probably do just fine at temps that would degrade
>the image on a film camera, not that it would do the batteries, or the
>LCD any good either. I have been known to store the camera near the
>ice-chest...
>It does get hot down here in Texas!

Living in the Phoenix area, it gets hot for me, too.
The only time I've had a problem with LCDs and heat was when I left a
radio scanner on the front seat, and the sun got to it. It went crazy
when turned on, but after cooling off for a half-hour, it was fine.
As for my cameras, no problem on the hottest days, as I keep them in
the shade, usually on the floor (coolest place in the SUV), in a case.

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>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw
>> <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while
>>>> the battery
>>>> is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy
>>>> 3500 pickup
>>>> since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
>>>>
>>
>>> It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
>>> conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?
>>
>> Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
>> he sees a photo-op.
>>
> Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with
> me. All the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if
> a photo-op arises.
>
> Ron

Then you don't want to leave it in the car, you want the camera with
you, not left if the car. :)

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> >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:37:27 -0800, Mij Adyaw
> >> <mijadyaw@nospamforme.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Except for brief periods of use and overnight stays inside while
> >>>> the battery
> >>>> is charging, my Canon G1 has resided in the console of my Chevy
> >>>> 3500 pickup
> >>>> since June of '03. Doesn't seem to be any worse for the wear.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>> It is a BAD idea. I would not expost my cameras to these types of
> >>> conditions. Why don't you just take the camera out of the car?
> >>
> >> Perhaps he wants to avoid driving home to get it every single time
> >> he sees a photo-op.
> >>
> > Exactly! When I know I'll be taking some photos I take my 10D with
> > me. All the rest of the time I know I have the G1 in the console if
> > a photo-op arises.
> >
> > Ron
>
> Then you don't want to leave it in the car, you want the camera with
> you, not left if the car. :)
>
When we are traveling, in the truck is fine. I am close enough to retrieve
it quickly should a photo-op occur while I am filling up the truck with
diesel or inside Micky Dees grabing a burger. ;-)

Ron
 
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