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April 19, 2011 2:48:06 PM

Hi guys-

Third time here, you've been great previously. This is a build for my friend he's wanting to break into PC gaming with some of his tax return. He might mess around w/ Crysis 2 or some other FPS but he would probably only be playing less graphically intensive games like Civilization V, KOTOR, that kind of stuff with any regularity. I've looked through a lot of the budget gaming threads and put together this system.

Approximate Purchase Date: this week

Budget Range: 700, including tax and shipping, before rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, watching movies, surfing the net

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse (NEED MONITOR)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg

Country of Origin: Tennessee, US (I don't live near a Microcenter)

Parts Preferences: by brand or type: I think a sandy bridge will be wasted on him, but if you can fit one in more power to you. Was looking at the rana x3 and maybe unlock a core for him.

Overclocking: Yeah, a little bit

SLI or Crossfire: Probably not. He will likely just buy a better card down the road if he needs it

Monitor Resolution: Wanted to get him into at least a 1900 x 1080 but if you guys think that's overkill for his games let me know

Additional Comments: He wants a window, LEDs are cool

Here's what I've got:

LG DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH24NS70 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG S22A300B High Glossy Black 21.5" Full HD LED BackLight LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

AND

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 CMPSU-430CX 430W ATX12V Active PFC Power Supply

combo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX450WFGMBOX

AND

MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard

combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

27$ worth of promotion codes brings the total to 698.91 after tax. Also have 65$ worth of MIR.

Can anyone do better?

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April 19, 2011 3:58:11 PM

Gamerkila thanks for the HDD suggestion. I will switch.

I realize that is a good GPU, but it doesn't fit my budget. Something else would have to be downgraded to afford it.

Why do I need more PSU if not planning on Xfire? If he decides to heavily OC or get a nicer videocard in the future he can upgrade his PSU cheaply.

Taran, thanks for the link. I actually have already looked at your thread but you didn't need a monitor in your build, so that takes up a big chunk of money.

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April 20, 2011 1:05:01 AM

AznShinobi,

I see you respond to threads like this quite a lot with a reference to your signature builds. I really appreciate you taking the time to write all of those builds out and justify your choices, but I think that sometimes they do not meet the requirements of the original post.

Neither of the cases you recommend have a window, which I mentioned in my original post. Also, the Antec 300 Illusion is out of stock and the 300 has no LEDs.

Your build actually comes out to 805 dollars before 20 in mail in rebates, so 785 total. This includes going with the cheaper case and smaller (500gb) spinpoint f3. If I built to your specifications it would be another 30 bucks on top.

I see that the processor is much faster, but will it really perform much better in gaming compared to the Rana? Remember, he's only gaming, watching movies, and surfing the internet.

I'm getting slightly slower RAM with your build and the monitor seems not as good as the Acer linked above.

I do like the 6850 deal though and will likely stick with that. Can you make any changes to help me get your build under budget?
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April 20, 2011 1:24:16 AM

here's my $600 suggestion:


i5-2500 + 4 GB RAM + Free Game: $246.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HIS HD 6850 + Free Game: $164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

AS Rock H61-VS: $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hitachi 500 GB HDD: $38.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Xigmatek 400W 80+ Bronze PSU: $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG 24x DVD burner: $18.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill R218 Case: $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


total $599.88

a case with bling will push it up a little, but not too bad:


Rosewill Cruiser: $69.99. 4 fans w/ Blue LEDs, side window. Increases the cost by $40 (to $649.88)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sigma Venom has 3 fans, clear side, $49.99, only one LED fan, this increases your costs by $20 to $619.88:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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April 20, 2011 2:12:57 AM

That build looks awesome but need to buy a monitor as well. Drop CPU to i3-2100?
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April 20, 2011 2:14:09 AM

First off what exactly is wrong with the case/psu combo he has? If he likes the case then that works and there's nothing wrong with that psu. At least it's a reputable brand and not some random off-brand. Not to mention the combo is a great deal. With that said here is what I came up with:

CPU/MoBo combo: i3 2100 & Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2P-B3 $187
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU: HIS 6850 $165
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: 2x2 1600 CAS 9 Mushkin Blackline $48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: Samsung DVD Burner $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case/PSU combo: NZXT M59 & Corsair CX430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Monitor: Acer 21.5" 1920x1080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total in cart is $701.68 shipping included. This doesn't include any mail-in rebates or promo codes that I missed
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April 20, 2011 2:23:27 AM

Hey jasonh8806,

That build looks awesome and I think I can shave a bit more off w/ promo codes. Can I ask why you chose that RAM over what I selected? I'm thinking the ones I selected would be faster sticks but maybe you know something I don't. Otherwise that looks awesome.
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April 20, 2011 2:43:28 AM

evanmayo said:
Hey jasonh8806,

That build looks awesome and I think I can shave a bit more off w/ promo codes. Can I ask why you chose that RAM over what I selected? I'm thinking the ones I selected would be faster sticks but maybe you know something I don't. Otherwise that looks awesome.


No, there's nothing wrong with the ram you picked, either will do just fine. They're pretty much identical so if you want to think about color since there's a window you can use that as a deciding factor since the price difference is 2 bucks. Both are 1600 MHz and CAS 9 at 1.5 volts. I just thought since nothing else is red it would look a little funny that's all :) 
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April 20, 2011 3:06:54 AM

Gotcha, thanks.
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April 20, 2011 3:07:04 AM

Best answer selected by evanmayo.
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April 20, 2011 3:15:49 AM

If you need a monitor and happen to live near a Target with one of these in stock, this a really nice deal for lcd monitor: http://www.target.com/gp/store-info/find-target-store.h... It's on clerance for $30 bucks! Not the best specs and only vga input but can't beat the price. Link to monitor: http://www.target.com/s?keywords=Acer+18.5&searchNodeID...|1287991011&ref=sr_bx_1_1&x=13&y=17 (not sure if they are on clearance everywhere or not)

Also these are two decent gpu's to look at if you can't afford a 6850 but want better than the 5770: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-102-878^14-102-878-TS%2C14-102-932^14-102-932-TS
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April 20, 2011 3:17:01 AM

I do post the builds, to always be the right build, but just for an outline of a better build. The i3 2100 would, in my opinion, benefit more than a Rana in gaming because if you scroll to the bottom, the i3 2100 gets an extra 20+ frames for several games @ 1680x1050 or higher resolution.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=189

Evan, I really don't know where your getting the +800 total.



+100 for the mobo, I still only get 640$, 655$ (including DVD/CD rom). After MIRs I get $620/635$. After you add the monitor it is about 740$/755$. He doesn't want to CF/SLI so he can just drop the 100$ board. That brings you down to 60$ for the board, that sets you at 700$/715$.

So my question, how did you get such high costs?

I understand he wants to OC, but if you look at those benches, no way an overclocked 450 can even touch the i3 2100.
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April 20, 2011 4:00:29 AM

I'm getting a 800 total from adding in the shipping and taxes, which I specified as a condition of my build in Budget Range.

I don't think he cares about overclocking, I think he just wants to get the most bang for his buck at 700, including tax and shipping, before rebates.
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April 20, 2011 4:06:59 AM

Ahhh, I was including the MIR. Your right that it'd total to 760/775 with the monitor. But the 40$ saved by the mobo brings it down to 720/735. I don't take into account for shipping. I'm just trying to understand where you got 800.

Not adding the DVD/CD is because you can always salvage from an older computer if you no longer use it, that or just because you have it laying around.

I'm not going to really argue about any longer since you've been supplied a good build. Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit of a douche with this statement, but it just seems your nitpicking me a lot for tiny errors. Sorry I just SCANNED your thread.
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April 20, 2011 4:11:44 AM

I wasn't trying to argue with you. I just see you respond to these threads constantly with references like "Look at my signature for your build" and I don't think its particularly useful in some cases.

I don't think there's anything wrong with your build, and I am sure that I would be happy with it if I were trying to spend 600 dollars to get the most computer for my money.

But I do think that people fill out the forms and mention their preferences and needs for a reason, so that people can tailor their advice to the individual situation.

To me, broadly recommending a build that doesn't fit the budget constraints or parts or use preferences is much the same as people who post on here without bothering to read the FAQ or How To Ask for a New Build Guide.

You aren't coming off as a douche at all, and I really appreciate your efforts in this forum. I actually have used your builds as a jumping off point for several of my projects.
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April 20, 2011 4:27:10 AM

I would like to say that I really enjoy your signature builds also. They are well thought out and well explained. I guarantee a lot of people get at least a base idea of what they want to do based on them. Much props!
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April 20, 2011 5:24:51 AM

Thank you evan and jason.
Yeah I kind of use the site as reference alot as it's pretty hard to keep a high rank on the Squidoo world. (Top 1000's overall and Top 100 on Electronics). I try to get as much of the visits from THG that I can get.

Yes I do understand. Most of the I do just scan through threads, IE just look at the title of the thread (E.G.Build for $1000) I will look to reading thoroughly through posts more now.

:D  Thanks for the support.
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