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April 19, 2011 10:03:49 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within a month, depends on sales, availability, etc


Budget Range: ~$1000 after rebates


System Usage from Most to Least Important: surfing the net, multitasking, watching videos, gaming


Parts Not Required: CPU, mouse


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Cheaper the better


Country of Origin: U.S.


Parts Preferences: None really


Overclocking: Maybe


SLI or Crossfire: No


Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080


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Okay so I already purchased the i5-2500k. I was originally going to go with the 2400 but microcenter had a great deal on the 2500k so I picked it up. I didn't intend on doing any overclocking but it's nice to know I can if I get bored and want to play around. I'm not sure about the PSU, depends what other components I end up with obviously. I'm not a heavy gamer if I even play at all, I usually just use my PS3. I do however play online poker so I have many multiple windows open and programs running while I play that. That being said, is the 5770 good enough for occasional video encoding and every day stuff or is it stupid to put such a budget card with the other components? Basically I just want a system that is lightning fast, has a ton of bells and whistles and has the ability to be upgraded in the future if I so desire. So here's the parts I'm thinking about.


CPU:
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card:
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
???

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OR
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Compucase Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Please recommend any kind of swap out or alternatives whether it be for better performance, cheaper or both. I don't want to sacrifice performance for price though. I'm trying to find a sweet spot here. Any input is greatly appreciated! Thanks.

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April 19, 2011 11:22:27 PM

I'd try hard to get at least a GTX460 (1 GB), which is approx 25% faster than the 5770...
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April 19, 2011 11:38:27 PM

TBH, a 600$ build would work for you.
You list gaming as the lowest of your importance, that said, you don't exactly need a beastly system. And the most important thing is surfing the web, that requires barely any power at all, that includes multi-tasking (depending on what) and movies.

I suggest looking at the 600$ template in my signature, below this. Since you don't need a CPU it's more like 500$ Or so.
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April 19, 2011 11:38:51 PM

Gift2k1 said:


Video Card:
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
???


Alright, for a power supply, Seasonic is generally reguarded to make the best quality power supplys on the market. I'd recommend the Seasonic 620 watt as it allows you a bit of head room for a better GPU if you wish in the future! Please see http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095

That HDD is good, but have you considered an SSD for you primary OS. This is probably the part that would make the most noticeable performance increase for you! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227550 You still need a HDD though but you can buy a cheaper HDD instead!

There is absolutely no problem with putting a lower end GPU in with that system. I might encourage you to look at the newer 6700 range! Also if you are going to be using the likes of photoshop or other adobe products the NVidia range is probably more suitable (GTS450). Otherwise streach the budget a little for a 5830! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150502

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April 19, 2011 11:43:21 PM

^ Only Adobe Premiere uses the Mercury Engine utilizing CUDA.

Photoshop, Illustrator, AE (After Effects), and the rest of the CS5, excluding Premiere, do not utilize CUDA.

Why get the 5830 when the 6790 is a better option, also the 460 768mb is just as valid. The 6850/460 1GB is the next step up.

460 768mb vs 5830
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/171?vs=156
Sad thing, the 5830 is the same price as the 460 768mb for way less performance.
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April 20, 2011 12:01:43 AM

If you don't plan on running dual vid cards then no need for that mobo. This one down below over clocks great and is a single card board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $129.99
ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Here's a quicker, quieter, and cheaper h/d...

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-3-5-Inch-Intern... $59.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare-OEM Drives, HD103SJ

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-PCI-Ex... $274.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 2 GB DDR5 DL-DVI-I/SL-DVI-D/HDMI/Dual Mini DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 100312SR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
XFX Core Edition PRO550W (P1-550S-XXB9) 550W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
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April 20, 2011 8:23:54 AM

$600 build: i3-2100/H61, 4GB DDR3, $140 Radeon HD 5850 (no rebate required) Promo Code: MWM27388 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...)

$1000 build: i5-2500K/P67, 8GB DDR3, 6950 2GB/GTX 560Ti OC

The $600 build will do everything you need very well. Get that and a 42" LCD TV for a monitor for $1000 total instead.
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April 20, 2011 1:54:53 PM

Case - $105 - Antec 902 V3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $110 - XFX 750 WBlack Edition PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $190 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - Maybe later - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - Maybe later - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $84 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $240 - Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti 900 Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Maybe Later - Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - Maybe later - OCZ Vertex 3 2.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case Mobo - Original choice makes me iffy .... Asrock warranty upped from 1 year to 2 after B3 recall .... but everybody else is 3 years ... why ? I'd take the P8P67 Pro.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM - These are same specs and only $75 after MIR and 10% off Promo w/ promo code EMCKFJA22, ends 4/20
w/ promo code EMCKFJA22, ends 4/20
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Case - Both cases are a bit outta date .... neither has front USB ports for example.

IN a mid tower I'd opt for the Antec 902 V3. ($105)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

In a full tower, I'd opt for the HAF-X ($180) or DF-85 ($155) But w/ your usage, a mid tower will provide more than enough air flow

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - you mention video encoding / editing .... that effort benefits from CUDA which is an nVidia thing. The 560 Ti can be unlocked for CS5 using instructions here:

http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5....

See also
http://www.elitebastards.com/?option=com_content&task=v...

Adding a GFX card in the future can extend system life substantially .... I'd keep that SLI option open.

PSU is a 10.0 performance rated PSU, suitable for heavy OC'ing and twin GFX cards......if you sure you not ever gonna do either, then I'd drop the PSU down t one of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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April 20, 2011 8:19:59 PM

^ That's ONLY with Adobe premiere. A lot of people use the "CUDA excuse", where they state that CUDA is very or just beneficial but it is not a very good argument. The rest of CS5 gains nothing from CUDA. Not Photoshop, Illustrator, nor After Effects (Most common CS programs). Another thing about encoding/transcoding/etc. "coding", not all programs support that CUDA benefit. You actually suffer much quality loss from transcoding/encoding with CUDA.
See Here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/video-transcoding-a...
You lose quality from transcoding with CUDA is the summary. Your getting a Sandy Bridge chip, you might as well put it to even more use.

Another thing about video quality of Nvidia vs AMD cards.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hqv-2-radeon-geforc...
This really only applies to the lower end, possibly the higher though.
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April 20, 2011 10:38:46 PM

First let me say thanks so much for all the replies. There's a ton of useful information here. Okay, now let me try to reply to some of it.

Regarding motherboard:
The reason I chose the Asrock Extreme4 was based on solid reviews, low cost and the fact that it's feature packed. The Asus P8P67 Pro seems like it has similar features but for ~$30 more. Is the Asus name and 1 extra year warranty worth the extra cost? The MSI board mentioned isn't quite what I was looking for however. The extra PCIe slots, esata, firewire and front panel USB 3.0/SSD tray on the Extreme4 are all features I'd like to have. Basically I'm a "feature whore" and figured based on price and features, the Extreme4 was a solid pick. I don't want to turn into a diehard gamer in a year and have to upgrade my mobo, GPU, PSU, etc all at once. I'd like to be sort of set for a while

Regarding HDD:
I was actually considering a SSD for my primary OS. If I go that route, am I best suited to get say a 30GB drive for ONLY the OS or get say a 120GB drive for the OS + all my installed software? Which would be better for performance. As far as the standard HDD goes, I noticed several people suggested the Spinpoint F3 32MB 3.0GB/s drive. Is this really a better value than the Caviar Black 64MB 6.0GB/s drive? The F3 is ~$40 less than the WD so if the performance is comparable, I'd be happy to save the money in this area.

Regarding GPU:
As far as the GPU goes, I simply don't know enough about them. The different chipsets, different memory, different brands, etc is all just a ton of information to grasp. The 6850 that was mentioned seems like a nice card with solid reviews at a pretty friendly price. If I wanted to spend ~$150 or so on a GPU, would the 6850 be a good choice? A search on Newegg for 6850 returns 16 cards. What should I be looking for amongst different brands? Are they all essentially the same? It's too much to handle! lol As a side note, if I were to pick up a Blu Ray writer, what effect would my GPU have in this area?

Regarding PSU:
Based on the little research I did in this area, I thought a modular PSU would be nice for cable management and to make life easier. Am I on track with that? Is it worth the cost to go for a modular PSU? It seems a 650-750w PSU would be quite adequate for anything I'd be doing. As with everything else on my build, I may not need/use it now, but I'd like to know I have enough power in the future.

Regarding case:
The fact that the Extreme4 that I plan on going with includes front port USB 3.0, would I be able to save some money and get a decent case without the included front ports and just use the included bracket from the mobo? I don't really want anything GIGANTIC like a HAF-X or something but I don't necessarily have a problem getting a full tower case. I'd like to have plenty of space for anything I throw in there along with adequate airflow of course. I don't want to upgrade the GPU at some point and find the case is too small to provide for it. It seems some of the better mid tower cases are quite suitable though.
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April 20, 2011 10:50:07 PM

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MB: Yes, Keep the Asrock Extreme4, it's a solid board.

HDD: The F3 performs practically the same as the WD, in reality since they are both Mechanical hard drives, from boot up it'd only be like a 1-2 second difference. The F3 is worth the money saved. I suggest picking up a 60GB SSD.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: What games are you playing? In terms of what you've told us. You don't even need a graphics card. You could easily survive with the onboard video from the i5 2500K. WHAT GAMES ARE YOU PLAYING.

PSU: Modular is nice, and yes cost goes up. For your system, a 430w would be good enough. You should probably check out PSU calculators if you don't believe me. Even in the future, you'll still only need 500w PSU max.

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April 20, 2011 10:58:59 PM

The Spinpoint F3 1TB is $55 on Newegg RIGHT NOW. BUY IT NOW.

SSD: 60GB because 30GB just isn't enough to function properly.

PSU: No SLI/Crossfire? 500W is more than you need for 99% of scenarios.
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April 20, 2011 11:11:37 PM

aznshinobi said:
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MB: Yes, Keep the Asrock Extreme4, it's a solid board.

HDD: The F3 performs practically the same as the WD, in reality since they are both Mechanical hard drives, from boot up it'd only be like a 1-2 second difference. The F3 is worth the money saved. I suggest picking up a 60GB SSD.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: What games are you playing? In terms of what you've told us. You don't even need a graphics card. You could easily survive with the onboard video from the i5 2500K. WHAT GAMES ARE YOU PLAYING.

PSU: Modular is nice, and yes cost goes up. For your system, a 430w would be good enough. You should probably check out PSU calculators if you don't believe me. Even in the future, you'll still only need 500w PSU max.



Thanks for all your replies/thoughts AznShinobi. At the present time, I'm on a 3 year old laptop, so gaming is basically out. lol. I don't really play any games tbh except for poker, but thats not exactly "gaming". Games like WoW and Crysis 2 have caught my eye so a card that could handle those at decent settings at 1920x1080 would be what I'd like. Also to "mutlitable" effectively while playing poker I'd need 1920x1080 resolution as well.

By the way I read through your build guides and gained a lot of good info. Well done. Thanks
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April 20, 2011 11:24:46 PM

JackNaylor is suggesting an excellent build for you for $1000.

I just want to be abundantly clear that if you're not a serious gamer, a $700 machine will do more than you need it to very very well and a $450 machine (i3-2100/H61) will do everything you need well. I'd go with the $450 machine and a 46" TV for $1000 total.

EDIT: Crysis 2 will require the $450 build to become a $550 build and WOW prefers NVidia GeForce graphics.
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April 20, 2011 11:32:11 PM

Why_Me said:
If you don't plan on running dual vid cards then no need for that mobo. This one down below over clocks great and is a single card board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $129.99
ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Here's a quicker, quieter, and cheaper h/d...

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-3-5-Inch-Intern... $59.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare-OEM Drives, HD103SJ

http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-DL-DVI-I-SL-DVI-D-PCI-Ex... $274.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 2 GB DDR5 DL-DVI-I/SL-DVI-D/HDMI/Dual Mini DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 100312SR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
XFX Core Edition PRO550W (P1-550S-XXB9) 550W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply


Again, I'll point out a 650W XFX psu that is $12 CHEAPER. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If gaming is not his priority, he can opt for a GTX 460 768mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... even though its a gaming card, its just shy of $120 and offers what... 50-70% more performance than a 6570 or what not for $30-40 more, and 25% more perf than a 5770 for only $15~ more.

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April 20, 2011 11:41:49 PM

So from my understanding you really only need a 700$ build like dalauder said.

From my guide the 600$ build.
Just change the i3 2100 to an i5 2400. ONLY IF YOU 100% PLAN TO OVERCLOCK buy the 2500K, if not, don't even waste an extra 50$. That brings you to 670$.

Combo to save some money:

NON-OVERCLOCK: This'll bring 600$ to 630$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
OVERCLOCK: This'll bring you to about 700$ or so.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

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April 20, 2011 11:43:40 PM

I don't trust Galaxy or especially their rebates--I've been screwed out of large Galaxy rebates before. I still recommend the $140 Radeon 5850 I linked above. It beats the GTX 460 768MB pretty cleanly performance wise and requires no rebate.

The 650W XFX PSU is a great choice. If you don't like rebates, the Corsair CX600 only has a $10 rebate to be $53 total. It's NOT the same PSU the XFX is, but it doesn't rely on a big rebate and can still handle SLI'd 5850's.

I'd go with this i5-2500K/P67 combo for $322: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
It doesn't run 8x/8x, but you don't plan on SLI anyways and 16x/4x should handle dual 5850's just fine.

Also, if you're not considering SLI/crossfire down the line, you may as well just get a 500W PSU (which the above PSUs are actually cost competitive with).

EDIT: Damn aznshinobi, you beat me to that combo. $700 OC'd SB FTW!
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April 20, 2011 11:43:54 PM

imaurer269 said:
All these are a decent step up from that 5770 u linked for a few bucks more: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-102-878^14-102-878-TS%2C14-102-932^14-102-932-TS%2C14-102-931^14-102-931-TS%2C14-102-908^14-102-908-TS

Cheaper HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



GTX 460 768mb price $120.

The cards you listed are ... (and all are AMD.. i wonder...)

HD 5850 $145
HD 6790 $149
HD 6850 $155
HD 5830 $140.

How can you recommend a 5830 AND a 5850 when the 5830 has got clearly worse performance (over 15% worse) and is only $5 less? How can you recommend the 6790 when its MORE expensive than the 5850 and is clearly worse (5-7%). How can you not recommend the gtx 460 768mb over the 5830? Its $120 and comparable to the 5850 and 1% worse than the 6790.

Look at the benchmarks please..?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6790-bart...

Look at things before you start recommending stuff.. you are going to waste other peoples money cause they TRUSTED your opinion, how would that make you feel if someone did that to you?

Sheesh, look at the benches before you start giving your 'valued advice' that people WILL take seriously.

The only cards i'd recommend that are in the 100-200 range are the 5850 and 460 768mb at the current prices.

The 6850 is worse than the 5850 and more expensive, hotter but quieter.
The 460 768 is $25 cheaper, and about 4-5% worse. up to consumr to decide. But you can't recommend a worse card that is more expensive..
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April 20, 2011 11:48:46 PM

Thank you for grilling imaurer269--If you give advice, you've gotta look at some benchies first.
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April 21, 2011 12:53:06 AM

Thanks a lot for the input guys. It seems that while there are different schools of thought on some things, a lot of people agree on a lot of parts. So that being said, let me run down what I have goin now after all your advice. And just to clarify, I've already purchased the 2500k so needless to say, that's gonna be the CPU in this build. Microcenter had it in a combo for $180 + a WD Blue for $20 + tax last week so I said screw it and bought it. Out the door with a 2500k and 1tb drive for $217. So here we go, all prices are from Newegg.

CPU: $180
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: $160 (OOS at the moment, argh)
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: $100 (highly rated and I frequently see them on sale for $80, im in no rush.)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: $55 (I'm likely going to pick up a nice size SSD if I catch one on a sale)
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: $145 (After everyones suggestions and looking at benchmarks & the "GPU Hierarchy Chart", I like this card for the price)
SAPPHIRE 100282XTREME Radeon HD 5850 Xtreme 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $59 AR
XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: $22 (I was thinking of getting the LG Blu Ray burner for $80 but I'm just gonna wait on that)
ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 1.5MB Cache SATA 24X Burner LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: $100
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $??
I really don't know about this one. Once I am absolutely certain of my components, I'll just pick something I like. I need to go to Microcenter and see them up close for size comparisons.


Total cost = $821 + shipping excluding any promos or sales I may stumble across. Does this seem like good picks to you guys? Also just to throw it out there, any recommendations on a good monitor for under $180ish?
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April 21, 2011 1:04:58 AM

This is the one you want for memory 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DDR3 1333 vs 1600 has no difference in reality so really... It's not going to change anything. If you want the best RAM in the business.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-vengeance-c...

EDIT:
If you're not going to crossfire, drop the Asrock Extreme4 for this combo and save your self about 60 bucks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
It has all the things you'll need.
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April 21, 2011 3:11:17 AM

vibhas said:
GTX 460 768mb price $120.

The cards you listed are ... (and all are AMD.. i wonder...)

HD 5850 $145
HD 6790 $149
HD 6850 $155
HD 5830 $140.

How can you recommend a 5830 AND a 5850 when the 5830 has got clearly worse performance (over 15% worse) and is only $5 less? How can you recommend the 6790 when its MORE expensive than the 5850 and is clearly worse (5-7%). How can you not recommend the gtx 460 768mb over the 5830? Its $120 and comparable to the 5850 and 1% worse than the 6790.

Look at the benchmarks please..?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6790-bart...

Look at things before you start recommending stuff.. you are going to waste other peoples money cause they TRUSTED your opinion, how would that make you feel if someone did that to you?

Sheesh, look at the benches before you start giving your 'valued advice' that people WILL take seriously.

The only cards i'd recommend that are in the 100-200 range are the 5850 and 460 768mb at the current prices.

The 6850 is worse than the 5850 and more expensive, hotter but quieter.
The 460 768 is $25 cheaper, and about 4-5% worse. up to consumr to decide. But you can't recommend a worse card that is more expensive..


dalauder said:
Thank you for grilling imaurer269--If you give advice, you've gotta look at some benchies first.


I simply was listing a few cards for the OP to look at. He had originally chose a $135 HD 5770. I wanted to let him know for 10-20 bucks more he could step up into better cards. All four I listed blow the 5770 out of the water. I'm sorry if I didn't notice the 460 768mb at that price point there are very few left selling as its being phased out. Idk where the hell you get off at grilling me for pointing out that there are options better than the 5770. Did I ever say any of those cards are better than the 460 768mb? NO, and I never would because I couldn't find any benchies for the 460 768mb vs the cards I pointed out. Oh now that I look up the prices idk where the hell you get $120 for the 460 768mb: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... not a single one under 150(I don't like to factor in MIR because those aren't 100% guaranteed) So next time you want to "grill" someone at least have enough sense to figure out what they were trying to point out in the 1st place
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April 21, 2011 3:32:00 AM

@AznShinobi--I think he listed the i5-2500K as $180 because he's going to Micro Center. Since he's going to Microcenter, I think he's spending the extra on a mobo since he can't get a good combo.

@Gift2K1--You should save $30 on the mobo if you're not gonna Crossfire (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...). Even if you are, there are cheaper 8x/8x mobos (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...).

BUY the Spinpoint F3 now! It will not stay that price, but it will remain your HDD choice. The Radeon 5850 won't drop below $140 in the next two weeks (except maybe $125 w/ rebates, but unlikely).

Case: The Antec 300 Illusion goes for $55 w/ free shipping off and on. It's OOS now at $69.99. The Zalman Z9's not a bad choice.

And when you get around to overclocking, you'll want a Hyper 212+ CPU cooler.
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April 21, 2011 3:34:32 AM

@imaurer--Okay, I was kinda mean. Sorry.
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April 21, 2011 3:43:25 AM

dalauder said:
@imaurer--Okay, I was kinda mean. Sorry.

But it's not too hard to find GTX 460 768MB's for ~$100 AR. And a 5830 pretty much should never been recommended.


Yeah the 5830 is not a good buy at that price point and I agree prolly should had not posted it, but it was only $5 bucks more than the 5770 originally chosen and a better option than that.

And so I can give better advice in the future do the 768mb 460's perform close to the 1gb 460's? From my reading they start to tail off at higher resolutions.
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April 21, 2011 3:48:32 AM

vibhas said:
Again, I'll point out a 650W XFX psu that is $12 CHEAPER. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If gaming is not his priority, he can opt for a GTX 460 768mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... even though its a gaming card, its just shy of $120 and offers what... 50-70% more performance than a 6570 or what not for $30-40 more, and 25% more perf than a 5770 for only $15~ more.

That 650 is "after mail in rebate". Most peeps on his board that have a budget don't factor in rebates. I see peeps on this board go over the OP's budget time after time. When I post a build, it rarely goes over budget. If anything, it's under the OP's budget.

Peeps that post builds on this forum and then post the final price "after rebates" and it still comes over the OP's budget aren't doing anyone any favors on here. I'm not going to name any names, but there is a particular Asus Pro that comes up a lot and the total price of that build is always "after rebates". It looks great on paper, but in reality...well.... money is money.
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April 21, 2011 4:29:36 AM

imaurer269 said:
And so I can give better advice in the future do the 768mb 460's perform close to the 1gb 460's? From my reading they start to tail off at higher resolutions.
Close...kinda. They sit strongly in the tier just below it. They won't match a 5850 in anything (maybe WOW) like the 1GB sometimes does. They just don't have the same memory bandwidth (6 128MB memory chips versus 8), which affects most games, but shouldn't matter in a couple random ones.

Basically, a GTX 460 768MB DESTROYS a 5770, beats a 5830, loses to a GTX 460 1GB & 6850, and isn't in the same class as a 5850. I don't recall its performance against the 550Ti or 6790.

EDIT: I recently bought one (GTX 460 768MB) for a friend on Tiger Direct for $140 - $35 rebate w/ Tiger's $10 off + $20 ebillme + $4% Mr. Rebate cash back.
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April 21, 2011 4:37:44 AM

^
This is just off the top of my head, I could be wrong. I put the >< because I couldn't really decide between the two.
5770<550 Ti><5830<460 768mb=6790<460 1GB<6850<5850<6870(About)=5870<560 Ti<(Depending on resolution) 6950 1GB<6950 2GB<570<6970<580<6990=590

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April 21, 2011 5:29:29 AM

I'd really put the 5870 in front of the 6870, but only in performance. It looses on everything else (power usage, features, crossfire scaling, etc.).
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