Need help with a New $1000 Gaming Rig

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Hey guys! The title says it all! Just a note, I'd like to be as future-proof as possible, but I know that comes with a price so try to keep that in mind with this limited budget build.

Approximate Purchase Date: Anywhere from within 1-3 weeks. I am willing to wait for price drops/bundles.

Budget Range: Approximately $1000 before rebates. I can go over maybe $100, but that's already pushing it.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming: Starcraft 2, Call of Duty, Crysis, Battlefield, (would love for it to be able to run Diablo 3 when it comes out fairly well) surfing the internet, watching movies, photoshop.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS.

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: Don't have any particular favorite brands. I'd prefer a product or brand that's reliable, good warranty, and performs well.

Overclocking: Yes

Crossfire: Very possible in the near future

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1200

Additional Comments: I've tried to do as much research on my own as possible, but there's just so much information out there! Your suggestions and input would be greatly appreciated.


Although I don't know too much about certain parts, here is what I had in mind so far:

- CPU - ~$225
i-5 2500K (I've seen it drop to around 200 at microcenter and I am willing to wait for bundles/deals)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=2500k-_-19-115-072-_-Product

- GPU- ~$250
HIS? Sapphire? ASUS? Radeon HD 6950
~Although I am not sure which brand to get. All I know is if I want to unlock and overclock I need the 2GB version.
**I've done my research on the 6950 and the GTX 560 Ti and decided to go with Radeon unless you can tell me why not

- Mobo - ~$175
Asus p8p67 Pro (by suggestion from a friend)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QF0VD6/sr=8-5/qid=1303412810/ref=olp_product_details?t=slickdeals&tag=slickdeals&ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1303412810&sr=8-5&seller=
1156, 1366... ?_? The part which I know the least about. So many too choose from. Help me out guys. I'm looking for a mobo that would do well with overclocking, unlocking 6950, possible XFire in the future, stays cool and is definitely the most bang for my buck and future-proof (if possible).

- RAM - ~$100
8GB
Saw this deal earlier, but I wouldn't even know which one to purchase, and whether if this is good for my mobo/build
Did not have time to research this, but would love some input considering the build I had in mind. I know certain ram goes well with certain mobos because of clock times, etc, but my knowledge of that is very limited. I just want something that performs efficiently and is the most bang for my buck.

- PSU -
650W? ~$100 or less?
Not sure about wattage. I know it depends on whether I want to overclock in which case I do, and XFire in the future. Can anyone layout my options please?

- HDD - ~$100
Either 1 2TB or or two 1TB. Not very concerned about this, as long as speed is up to par and the HDD is reliable.

- ODD - ~$70
Doesn't have to be bluray. As long as it can read and burn dvds.

- Wifi -
Hoping that it would be part of the mobo, but if not any wireless N card will do.

- Case - ~$100
Any case that runs really cool, fits all my components and has USB 3.0 slots in the front will do.

*Please keep in mind these are relative prices, and may fluctuate depending on bundles and deals so I've given a $100 extra leeway on my budget.

I definitely plan on overclocking the cpu and gpu and was wondering what type of cooling would be best. I'm not in a rush to OC if the cooling system doesn't seem fit my budget, but as I've stated before I am most definitely able to wait for price drops and OC later.

I know there is a lot of empty gaps in this build because I haven't really had the time to look up everything and read about the details, but again I would greatly appreciate your inputs and suggestions to help me build the $1000 of my dreams!
 
Not considering Microcenter

GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 + Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.622005
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231430
LG Black 24X DVD+R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136178
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB + Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.627767
XFX HD695XZDDC Radeon HD 6950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150527
LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4XCT9yibwQ


$1,011.92

LE Register the video card at the XFX site within 10 days of purchase for their lifetime warranty.
 

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Thanks Shinobi and mosox for your inputs! I wish I ran into your guide earlier Shinobi. I think it would've helped me move faster with this process. Either way I was wondering what your opinion was about the p8p67 compared to your Asrock extreme 4 p67? There is a deal going on right now and I was wondering if I should jump the gun on this?
i-5 2500k + Asus p8p67 for $330javascript: validform(this);
http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/0422BUNDLEpromo.html
I plan on overclocking and I remember reading somewhere that this mobo is not very good at it, but then again that source could be wrong. Also should I be concerned that if I do to XFire later (I believe) this mobo will only be running on 8x/8x on this board? Also, I was curious how and why you decided to choose that ram for your $1000 build?
 

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The Asus bother seems to have alot of problems. I was debating between the Asus P8P67 Pro or the Asrock P67 Extreme 4. I picked the Asrock Extreme 4. Sweet Board post with no problems. Overclocked it to 4.3 the minute I installed the OS. All it took was a milla-sec to slide the bar to increase the multiplyer. It supports SLI and XFire at 8X/8X.
 

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Just curious, problems in terms of what? Also what are your specs?
 

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yes buy that deal at microcenter before it expires (The main ad is a typo, it is indeed a 2500K + asus p8p67pro). your source is wrong, the asus p8p67 pro is the fastest OC'er in the category. You should not be concerned with running in x8/x8:

The specific ram and video cards are terrible deals, imo.

get this ram ($75 w/ promo code) It isnt quite as fast but it just doesnt matter (ie the marginal performance gains are not at all worth the extra money)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&cm_re=gskill_1600_8gb-_-20-231-428-_-Product

you should not pay $270 for a 6950 1gb. Thats a total ripoff. Id go with this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102921&cm_re=6950-_-14-102-921-_-Product

or if you want 2gb version this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161355&cm_re=6950-_-14-161-355-_-Product

Current games do not demand too much VRAM, so believe it or not the 6950 1gb is actually just slightly faster at stock. The advantage of the 2gb version is that a) it has more VRAM for "futureproofing" and b) it can be unlocked into what is essentially a 6970. The unlocking process carries with it some risk so its not a good option for everybody.

The one caveat is that the P8p67 pro doesnt come with the USB 3.0 front bay, whereas the ASrock extreme4 does. Cases with the USB 3.0 are also too expensive imo.
 

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The problems were not big. Just some booting issues and RAM support. Nothing that a bios update could not have fixed. Both Board are great (Asus and Asrock). I mainly went with the Asrock because it was a lot cheaper then Asus.
My Specs:
CPU: Core i5 2500k Stock cooling
Board: Asrock p67 Extreme 4
RAM: Mushkin 2x4GB
GPU: Zotac GTX 460 1GB
PSU: Corsair TX750
OD: LG DVD burner
HDD1: 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F3
HDD2: 1.5TB WD Caviar Green
HDD3: 2TD WD Caviar Black
Case: Corsair 600T
Monitor: Asus 1080p
I agree with Genghiskron. The Asus board is a faster overclocker. I stated that because I was afraid that the Asrock could overclock like the Asus. But I had no problems.
 

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Yes both boards are great. Id usually go with the Asrock, in fact, because its excellent and typically cheaper. But an i5-2500k + p8p67 pro for $250 (w/tax)? That CANT be missed. Id hurry up and head to the store before theyre sold out.
 

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Could have not agreed more.

Why dont you
try this build.

CPU/Motherboard: $329.98
Intel Core i5 2500K and Asus P8p67 Pro
http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/0422BUNDLEpromo.html

RAM: $84.99 MIR$20
Patriot Extreme Performance Sector 5 G Series 8GB
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0353874

Hard drive: $54.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=SAMSUNG%20Spinpoint%20F3%20HD103SJ%201TB

DVD: $17.99
Lite-ON 24X SATA DVD Burner - OEMhttp://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0322335

PSU: $139.99 MIR$20
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850 V2 850W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139022

Case: $59.99 MIR$10
COOLER MASTER HAF 912
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

GPU: $274.99 MIR$20
XFX HD-695X-CNFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150530&cm_re=6950_2gb-_-14-150-530-_-Product


Total build w/discount BEFORE MIR: $963.92
Total MIR: $70
Total build Cost:$893.92



Note: you can change up the case if you. Aswell the GPU is a beast there are tutorial how to flash the firmware to unlock it to a ATI 5970. For that price you can not go wrong (compairs great to $350+ GPU)
 

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Saving of $106.08 from the $1000 build request. Plus you will be futureproof.
-easy to overclock to 4.5
-8GB of ram
-AMAZING GPU
-large PSU to do XFIRE in the future

ENJOY
 
^ Garbage PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001&Tpk=xfx%20850
Out of stock but....
$140 for a non-modular 80+ BRONZE power supply? Corsair is riding on their name a little too much. XFX sells the 80+ Silver MODULAR 850w for $150 plus $20 MIR. Much better deal than the Corsair.

As for the Note singhie said. That is false, it is unlocking the 6950 2GB to a 6970 2GB. And another thing, that XFX won't flash to a 6970. It's a custom PCB, imagine the motherboard has a reference design, only REFERENCE PCB's or stock cards will unlock to a 6970, anything not looking like the AMD reference design will most likely not unlock.

This is probably something you'd want. Not saying singhie's is bad, just critiquing.

P8P67 Pro + 2500K $330
http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/0422BUNDLEpromo.html

G.Skill Sniper 8GB DDR3 1333 $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231417&cm_re=8gb_ddr3-_-20-231-417-_-Product

F3 1tb $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Raidmax RX-850AE $120 10$ MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152043&cm_re=850w-_-17-152-043-_-Product
Raidmax has had a bad name associated with it, but those PSU's were Sigma PSU's branded with the Raidmax logo, these are still not made by Raidmax (neither are XFX's or Corsairs) but still pretty decent as I've read reviews showing it stays to the 80+ Gold.

UNLOCKABLE 6950 2GB 275$ MIR 250$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127555&cm_re=6950_2gb-_-14-127-555-_-Product

 

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I agree mostly with that build, except get the RAM thats mentioned most often in this thread here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&cm_re=gskill_1600_8gb-_-20-231-428-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=qfdnx4eujh5y

Really fast, gskill is great, 1600MHZ is slightly faster than 1333MHZ, and its cheaper so your paying less for a better product. I'd also get the XFX 850W PSU here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
Its better than the Raidmax shown above, and 750W is enough by the way, but 850W is good solid overhead for OCing etc. But quality XFX/Corsair/Antec 750W is good enough (seasonic is really good but too expensive, even though it makes xfx/corsair/antecs psus).
 

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The black edition of the xfx 850w is out of stock, the core 850W isn't. I've added it to my cart and its in stock, so maybe you were thinking of the black edition.
 

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First off I want to thank all you guys for your support, advice and help with this build. You guys at TH ROCK!!!
So this is what I'm planning to order:

P8P67 Pro + 2500K $330
http://www.microcenter.com/special [...] promo.html

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $99 $25 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

F3 1tb $55
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-3-5-Inch-Internal-HD103SJ/dp/B002MQC0P8/ref=lh_ni_t

Either XFX 6950 2GB 275$ $30 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

or MSI 6950 2GB 275$ $25MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127555&cm_re=6950_2gb-_-14-127-555-_-Product

Raidmax RX-850AE $120 10$ MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

or XFX Core Edition PRO850W $119 $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011

or XFX Black Edition XPS-850W-BES 850W $149 $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001&Tpk=xfx%20850w%20black

So just a couple of questions to help me narrow down these last few choices. So the XFX 6950 2GB cannot be unlocked to run almost like a 6970 but the MSI can? I did a quick search and I wasn't able to find posts where XFX cards could not be flashed, perhaps I missed a thread? I would prefer the XFX because of the lifetime warranty, but I am still deciding if unlocking is a risk I want to take. Although I will most definitely will be overclocking the gpu and cpu!

I have no knowledge whatsoever about PSUs. I would be willing to wait for the XFX Black to be in stock if it is really that much better although it is more expensive. Otherwise what is the main difference between the Raidmax and the XFX CE Pro?

I am also not sure which tower to get to fit these components. I saw the earlier suggestions:

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black $59 $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

Any other suggestions out there? I know the cases with USB 3.0 in the front is more expensive but I would like to see those recommendations just to compare prices. I just want the tower to have good cooling and look decent. Also any suggestions on a decent bluray ODD (yes I am willing to spend a little extra for bluray) that can read and burn? After market cooling for OC? Other than that, I believe I almost ready to purchase and build this machine!
 
Yes the MSI can, the reason the XFX cannot is that is a custom cooler design, therefore XFX had to use a custom PCB design which disables the ability to unlock the 6970. You can also check the XFX reviews.
The MSI can because it uses the reference which is why it can be unlocked.

I suggest the K62 for airflow.
But here is a USB 3.0 suggestion case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129097&cm_re=902-_-11-129-097-_-Product

I say go with the XFX Core Edition 850 or RX850AE either is good imo.
 

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The ram isnt $25 MIR its $25 promo code. Dont forget to enter the code.

There are many good cases out there. Pick one you like the looks of. Great ones include:

Antec 300, 300 illusion, 600, 902
Cooler Master HAF 912, 922, 932 (has USB 3.0 Front Bay)
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Advanced-Tower-SuperSpeed/dp/B001EPUQAE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303533794&sr=8-1
Lian Li ....

edit: this case i just saw has usb 3.0 up front. i know nothing about it, but i suppose you may want to consider it. personally i stay away from thermaltake, but thats because Best Buy seems to like thermaltake, and best buy is my enemy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133181&cm_re=a60-_-11-133-181-_-Product

I would recommend the SCMG-2100 for a cpu cooler. Its quiet, its effective, its cheap, and its huge, but it will fit. People will also recommend the hyper 212+, its also a great cooler, but its not as good and its overpriced on newegg because its so popular.
 

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Yep, Lian Li is a great brand and all of their cases are excellent.
Unless you are dead set on unlocking, consider the 560Ti or 570. The 560Ti is found for $200 AR, and about 2-3% worse than the 6950 2gb. The 570 beats both comfortably (even beats the 6970), but for $330~ (Probably out of your budget). I really must insist the XFX 850W core edition PSU, it is from seasonic the best PSU makers, although im sure that the particular raidmax is good, as aznshinobi is a valued contributor who does his research, the XFX is definitely at least a bit better, and the same price.

Note, that a 850W is really not needed, 750W is enough to SLI and overclock the 570 and all SLI+oc all the cards below it in performance (6970, 6950, 560Ti 460's), apart from some cards that are OLD and INEFFICIENT (GTX480 etc). I'd say either the 6950 or 560Ti for your budget though, but the 560Ti should be looked at at the very least tbh.
 

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So I did a bit of research about the XFX not being able to flash and here is what I found:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1572460
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1588022
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159

It appears many people were actually able to unlock their XFX 6950 2GB to a 6970 bios. So if this is completely true I will be getting the XFX because of its lifetime warranty.

XFX 6950 2GB 275$ $30 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150530&cm_re=6950-_-14-150-530-_-Product

Anyways, here's my final deicision on parts unless there happen to be any random deals within a week maybe even two. Having the cpu and mobo sitting around at home is definitely not going to help with my patience, haha!

LITE-ON Black $59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106326&cm_re=LITE_ON_bluray-_-27-106-326-_-Product

XFX Core Edition PRO850W $119 $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=y7bipcqlgaqj

As for cases, I'm still deciding between these two:

COOLER MASTER Haf 922 $89 MIR
http://www.frys.com/product/5927304

Lian li K62 $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239&Tpk=k62

Since both of these dont have USB 3.0 in the front I'm assuming my best solution would be to just get USB 3.0 wires connected to back and bring it around the front for easy access. I've read the reviews about the K62 and the Haf 922. The K62 is much more quiet but does not have the 3.5" external drive bay, however the 922 seems to boast incredible airflow, fans, and cooling except for the fact they don't have fan screens and can be a bit noisy but I found a simple solution to make your own filter here.

This video review of the 922 has the PSU installed upside down and I was wondering if that was for better airflow efficiency? I believe air is sucked in from the bottom of the PSU correct? Perhaps this was due to the fact that the 922 has no PSU air filter but if it was upside down, wouldn't it be taking in warm/hot air into the PSU? I know there are trade offs between these two cases and I personally would like a quiet system over a noisy one and would definitely like to hear some input from owners of these cases or comparable suggestions I may have overlooked. I forgot to mention if I have to buy a wireless network card or if it is integrated into the Asus p8p67 Pro? If there aren't any more suggestions or recommendations, I think I will be all set! =D
 

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I get the feeling that the XFX card you are looking at is not reference but the ones that you're linking to are. I also can't see the AMD symbol on the PCI port (i was told that signified reference) or a dual bios switch.

So i wouldn't try it with that particular card.