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Doing a Major Upgrade - Athlon 64 to AM3 Based

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April 23, 2011 5:46:09 AM

I've had Windows 7 32bit installed on my machine with Asus A8N-SLI Premium Motherboard and AMD Athlon 64 3200+ and 2 Gigabytes RAM (Unknown Type) and I like it because it works. But some games are kind of slow,with an HD Radeon 3650 512MB Graphics Card.

I bought the pc at a yard sale a couple years back for about $230 and it was really bad. The case needed replacing because the power button was broken. You basically had to hotwire the PC. :non:  I took the chance anyway and bought an Antec 900 ATX Case and swapped everything into that. It worked good with Windows XP Pro for a long time but then started to slow down because of the IDE HDD and low RAM. Then the PSU became so loud it was unbearable so I replaced it with a Thermaltake W0388: TR2 600w PSU.

A few weeks later I upgraded the IDE HDD to a Seagate Barracuda SATA ST3500641AS-RK at 500GB 7200RPM. Installed Win7 32bit and the only thing I couldn't get to work is my TV Tuner, but I didn't expect it to be Win7 compatible.

So now for my questions. I want to upgrade to something more modern while keeping some of my recently purchased hardware such as the SATA drive and PSU. I would prefer Win7 64bit to be compatible with my hardware, but as long as everything is Win7 32bit compatible I am okay with that. I have my Motherboard picked out, but my PSU and SATA drive are not on the compatibility list. The HDD box says Win7 compatible but the PSU only says supports the latest AMD and Intel processors. Says Phenom but not Phenom II.

My second question is whether or not the CPU I have picked out will work well with the motherboard or rather to its potential. Here is my proposed setup.

My Antec 900 Case

My Thermaltake TR2 600w


Asus - ATX Motherboard 2600MHz (Socket AM3)
Model: M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
ASUS Website: http://bit.ly/gdR6xo
$155 @ BestBuy

AMD - Phenomâ„¢ II X6 Processor 1075T "Thuban"
Model: HDT75TFBGRB
$210 @ BestBuy

Corsair - 2-Pack 2GB PC3-10666 DDR3 DIMM Memory Kit
Model: Tw3x4g1333c9a
$110 x 8GB @ BestBuy

Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 500GB HDD previously mentioned.

My Acer AL2216W DVI-I Monitor.

DVD Blue Ray Burner to be added later from Newegg.
Internal All-in-one card reader to be added later.


Anything I am overlooking? If there are cheaper Newegg alternatives with around the same specs I'd be happy to consider. I have a BestBuy card so it would be convenient with no interest. But I am looking at $525 with tax and shipping on the above.

My alternative is a pre-built Gateway DX4850-27eu, but it has no USB 3.0 support or external SATA. It also has a slow 1.5 TB 5200RPM HD.

April 23, 2011 6:36:12 AM

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not sure about the other parts but i would go with this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and this cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also what about the video card?


I believe that motherboard had on board. Otherwise I will use the HD Radeon 3650 until I can get a newer one.

What about a compatible motherboard for those two you mentioned that has usb 3.0, esata, and basic on board graphics. Wifi and bluetooth a plus :) 
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April 23, 2011 9:44:19 AM

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oh i just used your parts as a reference, im pretty sure there compatible since its the same family of processor, just with an unlocked multiplier for easier OCing

and the ram im pretty sure using the board you're going to get that it will accept pretty much any ram available

again i dont know for 100%, im pretty sure you can find a compatability chart somewhere and omg best buy is so over priced its not funny 4g for 110, i doubled it for 20 dollars less (not including rebate)

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Also, the HDD says 3.0gb/s but the Motherboards im looking at all say 6.0gb/s. Will the 3.0gb/s work, albeit slower?
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April 23, 2011 10:44:25 AM

6 G/Sec SATA ports are backwards compatible with 3 GB/sec drives, yes....; as the drives are incapable of sustained throughput of anything remotely approaching that speed, there should be no noticeable performance difference.

However, if building a new system today, I'd be hard pressed to justify any AM3 based system over the slightly more expensive i3/i5 processors.
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April 23, 2011 12:47:32 PM

What are you wanting to do with this computer. Gaming(new stuff), just school work and facebook? Can't really answer your question very well without knowing.
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April 23, 2011 8:29:13 PM

shane799 said:
What are you wanting to do with this computer. Gaming(new stuff), just school work and facebook? Can't really answer your question very well without knowing.


I want to do as much as possible. I am gamer but not the really hardcore stuff like Crysis or the other Fortress one. Mostly Sim games like sim city, the sims, and rp like WoW. I am also a web designer/domainer and sometimes need a program like photoshop open with at least 5 or more 5MB JPEG's. Sometimes need to convert a video file etc.

Here's what's in my shopping cart/printed list right now.

XION XON-160PCB Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with 500 Watt Power Supply, USB K/B, Optical Mouse, Multimedia Speaker
Item #: N82E16811208041
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate
$64.99

Seagate Barracuda ST3500413AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148701
$39.99

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131631
$149.99

Rosewill RNX-N150PC PCI 2.2 Wireless Adapter
Item #: N82E16833166011
-$5.00 Instant
$14.99 After Rebate

XFX HD-485X-ZNFC Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814150482
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate
$119.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model F3-8500CL7D-8GBRL
$79.99

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT90ZFBGRBOX
Item #: N82E16819103849
$199.99

TRENDnet TBW-107UB Micro Bluetooth USB Adapter
Item #: N82E16812146022
$19.99

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136181
$79.99

Im looking at $700 including tax and shipping from newegg.com. This is for the whole PC, but I can offset this if I sold parts from my old setup/sold the setup whole. I can possibly do without the dedicated video card for a few months to bring the cost down a little more. I've priced the components of my old pc and can probably get around $200-$300 conservatively (Including an old Toshiba Satellite).

If I use my old case, 3.0gb/sec 7200RPM Seagate, and 600w Thermaltake PSU, and I also take out the graphic controller for now, I'm looking at around $555.

mdd1963 said:
6 G/Sec SATA ports are backwards compatible with 3 GB/sec drives, yes....; as the drives are incapable of sustained throughput of anything remotely approaching that speed, there should be no noticeable performance difference.

However, if building a new system today, I'd be hard pressed to justify any AM3 based system over the slightly more expensive i3/i5 processors.


I was wanting an Intel system, but I've read that Intel locks them and wants to sell you the codes to basically overclock them. I'm not planning on overclocking anything, but I might be open to the idea when the machine gets older. Right now I am going with AMD because of experience. My Athlon 64 3200+ has been pretty good to me. I'd love to hear opinions though.
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April 23, 2011 8:32:14 PM

i would get one of the 2 am3+ boards newegg has listed instead so you have an upgrade path
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April 23, 2011 9:12:03 PM

dan4patriots said:
ASRock 890FX DELUXE5 AM3+ ($180)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-880GMA-USB3 AM3+ ($105)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Oooh. I like that $105 one. I could always get an eSATA card later on. I can bring the total price down to $615 if I take out the graphic card and use the GIGABYTE. I'm just hoping the onboard will be enough to hold me over for a month or two. I could always use the HD 3650 for awhile.

Any suggestions for a comparable Intel motherboard and CPU for around the same price?
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April 23, 2011 10:08:12 PM

if you want an intel build here is one, just add the wireless adapters you originally looked at and with this build you can use the onboard graphics until you save enough for a discrete card

Antec 300- $59.95 ($15 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate 7200.12 500GB- $44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX P1-650X-CAH9 650W- $88.99 ($30 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner- $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB- $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock H61M/U3S3 Mobo- $72.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5 2500K- $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total- $651.89 (Before $45 rebates)
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 23, 2011 10:39:54 PM

Most of these suggestions are pretty bad. Some are terrible, such as the recommendation for an i5-2500K (K is for unlocked overclocking) CPU with an H61 motherboard (incapable of overclocking). Above someone suggested a 1090T, that's a terrible suggestion because that CPU costs a bunch and doesn't do much that's useful (even compared to AMD quad cores). And one person suggested you use the integrated graphics despite you stating that you play WOW. You want a discrete card.

You want a new CPU/mobo/RAM/graphics. I would also buy the PSU dan4patriots recommended, but that's only necessary if you want to protect or computer with stable reliable power.

To figure out what to buy, you should probably fill this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

Whether or not you overclock determines if you should go for an i3-2100/H61 mobo or i5-2500K/P67 mobo. That's $189 or $320 on Newegg combos, respectively. I say cheapest or all out awesome--mostly because those price points are best. FYI: an i3-2100 beats ALL AMD Phenom II's (okay, so the 970 and better are a tight battle).

You don't need a crazy great graphics card. The best for your buck is probably a Radeon 5850 @ $140 (no rebate) right now. It blows a 5770 out of the water. Now a Radeon 5670 will do everything you need, but is not quite a gaming card (it CAN game...but only on low-medium settings for new games). It depends on your budget and current deals. This is again an example of great or good enough.

Ram--4GB DDR3 1600MHz Cas Latency 9 is the best for your money. You should be able to find it for $44 or $30 after rebate. If you have plenty of money and just care about buying good deals, you'll want to look for 8GB (2x4GB) 1600CL9 DDR3 for $75.
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April 23, 2011 10:46:14 PM

i suggested it with an H61 because he said he might try to use just integrated for a while and the 2500K has HD3000 which are better than the normal 2000 graphics built into sandy bridge

But he is right, just change the cpu to an i5 2300 to save more bucks
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April 23, 2011 10:48:44 PM

If you play WoW, you'll want a Intel processor and a Nvidia GPU. With the release of cataclysm it seems blizzard did some pretty heavy optimization for those 2 brands particularly. AMD will work, but just not as well.

Gigabyte boards are always good, but make sure you get something that has everything you need (not everything you want.)

With the price of the Sandy Bridge motherboards dropping so fast (locally you can get one for about $105, though it IS an MSI...) I am sure on newegg you can find something in that range.

Also I would suggest a i5 setup. Nice and midrange. And these new ones perform something like 30% better than the older 1156 chips.

Vidoe card I would suggest something like a GTX 460 if your not a hardcore gamer. Also those CUDA cores will help you in video production and I think photoshop has a plug in that will use the cores on the GPU to accelerate rendering. Don't quote me on that though.

AMD is fine, I have an AMD system and it's been good for a year now, but the price/performance is honestly better spent on Intel at this point. Even a i3 (with hyper threading) will do fine for a normal user such as yourself.

Just my 2 cents.
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April 23, 2011 11:21:09 PM

the intel i3 sandy bridge CPUs are great, but have only 2 real cores and considering your use i'd suggest a quad core. Phenom II AMD's are still more than enough for most people, and considering you've been using an old amd64 3200+ build (the first age of amd 64's were the best CPUs ever made, imo. My old amd64 3000+ is still kicking!) for years now, it'd be quite fair to say for you as well. But Intel's new Sandy bridge CPUs surpass the AMD options at that price range, and nearly every price range currently, so i'd suggest building an i5 sandy bridge with a mid-range graphics card.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev... some benchmarks

cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

video card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hard drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

win 7 64-bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

comes to $550 without taxes/shipping.

The video card is an absolute steal at $140 and free shipping. The CPU is plenty of horsepower for whatever you'll need to run and really no need to overclock and thus splurge another $100+ on a better motherboard, CPU cooler and a i5-2500k. The PSU is of good quality and provides enough power. The hard drive is fantastic and since samsung sold their HD business to seagate we'll probably be seeing cheaper quality hard drives from seagate/samsung, so if you need more storage space I'd suggest buying another couple of those hard drives before they're out of stock and gone forever :(  Don't buy ram with heat spreaders as you won't be (or need to) overclock, and if you did overclock you'd be overclocking with an unlocked multiplier, so heat spreaders on ram are really uncalled for. The 9 cas timings may seem high, but in reality they're not and plenty fast. Having 8GB is more important than a 2x2gb kit with 7 timings for what you'll be needing.

You can choose whatever case you'd like, so long as it's microATX compatible and can fit the motherboard and PSU. Order the stuff from newegg, as best buy overcharges like hell. If you live near a microcenter ( http://www.microcenter.com/ ) then I'd suggest driving there and seeing the deals they have, as their prices are sometimes cheaper than newegg on motherboard/CPU combos.

Hope I helped.

EDIT: you really don't need 6g/b sata unless you're using an SSD, and since i'm assuming the budget to be ~$500, you really won't (and shouldn't) be buying an SSD. Regular ol' plated hard drives won't even max out the 3g/b sata connection or get anywhere near that, so buying a better beefier motherboard for 6g/b sata would be unnecessary.
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April 23, 2011 11:23:03 PM

Integrated is a bad choice because he already owns a Radeon 3650. That's almost just as good.

From what I've heard, CUDA only helps in Adobe Premiere. NVidia is definitely better in WOW. But you're using a 3650, so anything is a HUGE upgrade.

AMD doesn't have competitive price/performance builds for CPUs over the $90 price point.

I still think an i5-2300 is a poor use of money. The i3-2100 is so much cheaper and the i5-2500K is so much better.
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April 23, 2011 11:33:17 PM

the i5-2300 is great, but the 2400 is too close to pass up. The 2500k, though, is comparatively much more when trying to stay within that price range. He's been using an amd64 3200+, do you really think he needs to be fiddling with a p67 chipset, cpu cooler and an unlocked CPU? And if you're going to buy a 2500k you're going to have to spend more not just on the CPU, but the aftermarket cooler, grease, and motherboard. It's a great CPU, but it's just not worth it in the ~$500 range. The i5-2400 is an insanely fast CPU already, there's no need to spend more money on an unlocked multiplier and skimping on the other parts -- namely a cheaper graphics card.

Yea, with the code it's better, you're right. Didn't notice it :) 
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April 23, 2011 11:51:18 PM

General two cents:

First, don't buy from Best Buy. You'll be burning money on their ridiculous mark-up and the customer service is not only unhelpful but frankly misinformed most of the time.

If you have to build a computer right now go Intel Sandy Bridge--especially if you're spending more than 100 dollars on the CPU. AMD just isn't competitive at the moment. Go for an i5. You really don't need one with the K designation (hyper-threading is nice but with 4 real cores not necessary). You don't need to worry about overclocking, either. With turbo-boost overclock just isn't necessary for almost all users.

The info of dalauder is pretty good as are his build lists. Though I'd disagree about the choice of cpu and say definitely go quad core i5. Yes the i3 is much faster than what you've got now but moving from a dual core to a dual core right now isn't really an upgrade--it's more of a lateral move. The AMD 6 core cpus aren't worth it in a new build (good upgrade if you've already got an AM3 system with an older phenom). The 4 core i5s are almost always faster at everything and much faster at any single threaded application.

You case and PSU should be fine.
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April 24, 2011 12:00:25 AM

Grease? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the stock cooler with an i5-2400 needs thermal paste too.

And I was recommending the $125 i3-2100 over the $190 i5-2400. The only inherent increase in cost with the i5-2500K is the P67 vs H61 price ($20) and the $40 CPU cost. All I'm saying is that an i3-2100 is a huge upgrade for him. If he's gonna go halfway to awesomeness with the i5-2400, it's more worth it to go all the way to awesomeness for a little more.

He should upgrade graphics long before upgrading from an i3-2100 to an i5-2400. Although I suppose an i5 has 4 true cores, which helps in Photoshop.

We don't know if the OP OC's, so he really should fill this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

OP, you should buy on Newegg, not Best Buy.
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April 24, 2011 12:11:26 AM

dalauder said:
Grease? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the stock cooler with an i5-2400 needs thermal paste too.

And I was recommending the $125 i3-2100 over the $190 i5-2400. The only inherent increase in cost with the i5-2500K is the P67 vs H61 price ($20) and the $40 CPU cost. All I'm saying is that an i3-2100 is a huge upgrade for him. If he's gonna go halfway to awesomeness with the i5-2400, it's more worth it to go all the way to awesomeness for a little more.

He should upgrade graphics long before upgrading from an i3-2100 to an i5-2400. Although I suppose an i5 has 4 true cores, which helps in Photoshop.

We don't know if the OP OC's, so he really should fill this out: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

OP, you should buy on Newegg, not Best Buy.


Yea, i think opting to go with the actual 4 cores and the 2400 is worth it. I think all stock intel coolers have thermal grease already pre-applied.

I'd be hesitant to suggest a 2500k with a ~$5-600 budget, even if you do OC. Unless you're playing with a low resolution monitor, you're better off buying something that can support 1080p rather than spending more $$ on a CPU that will only negligibly increase performance. Like i said, fantastic CPU, and if it were $500 without an OS then I'd certainly suggest it, but at ~$500 you get a better overall rig going with a 2400 rather than a 2500k (and all it implies).
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April 24, 2011 12:13:43 AM

@chriskrum--"...but moving from a dual core to a dual core right now isn't really an upgrade--it's more of a lateral move." That is an outright fabrication. The new i3's outperform ALL AMD quad cores (except 970 or higher). Back up your statement with benchmarks--although you won't be able to do that becuase your statement is false.

That's like saying a four cylinder Lancer EVO couldn't be faster than a 1982 Datsun because they're both 4 cylinder. Lancer EVO engines can put out 340HP because of better design and do more with the same number of pistons. Of course, a Lancer EVO can hang with plenty of V6's and some V8's.

The 6 core Phenoms aren't much of an upgrade from most Phenom II's. They're only really worth much for heavy math work that Hyperthreading in i7's doesn't worth well for.

i5-2500K's a MUCH better than i5-2400's IF you overclock. If you don't overclock...well, I still say save your money and get an i3-2100, but an i5-2400 would be fine I guess.
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April 24, 2011 12:18:07 AM

@ALL--We really need a budget. That would determine what he should get. At least all suggestions are reasonable now.
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April 24, 2011 1:37:49 AM

dalauder said:
@chriskrum--"...but moving from a dual core to a dual core right now isn't really an upgrade--it's more of a lateral move." That is an outright fabrication. The new i3's outperform ALL AMD quad cores (except 970 or higher). Back up your statement with benchmarks--although you won't be able to do that becuase your statement is false.

That's like saying a four cylinder Lancer EVO couldn't be faster than a 1982 Datsun because they're both 4 cylinder. Lancer EVO engines can put out 340HP because of better design and do more with the same number of pistons. Of course, a Lancer EVO can hang with plenty of V6's and some V8's.

The 6 core Phenoms aren't much of an upgrade from most Phenom II's. They're only really worth much for heavy math work that Hyperthreading in i7's doesn't worth well for.

i5-2500K's a MUCH better than i5-2400's IF you overclock. If you don't overclock...well, I still say save your money and get an i3-2100, but an i5-2400 would be fine I guess.


You need to take a pill, calm down, and read...

I said the i3 would be faster than what he's got now. However, it is a lateral move in that he'd still have only 2 cores in a day and age when more and more programs can make great use of additional cores--especially if you multitask. There's no way I'd recommend that someone investing in a new motherboard, new ram, new video card settle for a dual core CPU. If your budget is so tight that you need to wait and save for another week or two and save some more scratch then do that, because, I can almost guarantee that in five or six months the OP would be wondering why he didn't stretch a little and buy a quad core.

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April 24, 2011 1:39:54 AM

True, the 1090T is a much better choice than a $210 1075. But I feel we should tell the OP the best choice out there, not just an improvement on his suggestion.

I also want to clear up me insinuating that a Phenom II x6 was better than an i7. I meant the Nehalem i7-9XX series quad cores w/ HT didn't handily beat the Phenom II x6 in parallel processes. However, the Sandy Bridge i5's & I7's match or beat them in every way due to the newer & better architecture.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 24, 2011 1:44:45 AM

To the OP: Unless your personal politics deem you're going with AMD, you want to look at Intel. At this point, unless you are building on an extreme budget, AMD is not competitive.

Do not be lured in by the promise of the 1055/1090 core count. Unless you are doing very specific tasks the Thubans fall flat.

Your dollars are better spent on a Sandybridge build.

If you refuse to consider an Intel machine, and can afford to wait, I'd suggest waiting until AMD's new Bulldozer comes out, which should be this summer.

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April 24, 2011 2:00:23 AM

Thank you all for all your suggestions. I am printing this page now to read them all over, again. I will fill out the form suggested by dalauder and one other I believe. I also want to quickly clear up some things before the Spurs game is over.

My personal politics would actually make me want to buy Intel more than AMD because Intel makes chips here in my back yard of New Mexico. I was just worried about the OC differences. I want to be clear. I have never OC'd in my life. I consider myself an advanced PC tinkerer (more than most), but by no means an exxpert and not even close. But OC is something I may consider in the future, especially as the machine gets older.

I have decided to go with a total build. My father wants to by my old rig for my mother and nephew. My price range is $500-$700, but maybe a little more, but if its in the higher range Ill need to put part of it on a newegg no interest plan (My main motive for buying from best buy all these years is 18 months no interest.)

I'll give more details after I've read some of your suggestions and check out the toms hardware link. I think I'm leaning now more to the i5 of some sort. I get your point about the Lancer dalauder but chriskrum is right. I don't want to go from dual-core to dual-core. Especially when the AMD Athlon 64 3200+ I have is a single I believe:/
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April 24, 2011 2:02:39 AM

To the OP: Listen to these guys, mate. I have a 6 core 1055T and while it is OC'd to 4 GHz I just can't hang with those Sandy Bridge folks. Or the Nehalem folks either. More cores is great for programs that actually use it. Adobe is one of those programs. But the truth was already mentioned by someone else that these new 2XXX series Intel chips are newer and faster then the Thuban's. It's just how it is. Intel has the newer design, and so they targeted people who think more cores=good and have proven them wrong. More cores IS good, but less cores and more efficiency is better. And Intel has that. As a side note on GPU's: I have a 5850 Black edition (XFX) and I had a GTX 460, and in most cases the 460 was the better alternative. Just saying. I have all AMD gear, but if I were to rebuild my PC right now, I would go Intel/Nvidia all the way. It's just how the market is. It's a leapfrog game. Sometimes it's Intel. Sometimes it's AMD. Right now, well... I think I've made my point. In any respect, anything modern will be a great upgrade from what you have currently.
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April 24, 2011 2:04:17 AM

@chriskrum--You're totally right that he should stretch and buy a quad core, but I think the i5-2500K is worth the extra stretch at that point. Sorry I was a bit overaggressive.

I think the i3-2100 will do everything he needs quite well and the $189 combo with an H61 is pretty amazing. If you can beat i3-2100/H61/5850/4GB DDR3 as a total upgrade for $375 total, go ahead. And hyper-threading is as useful as actual cores in most multitasking. It really only loses out in tasks that tax the CPU well beyond 50% such as rendering CGI or math/engineering modeling. Photoshop too.

But I figure instead of i5-2400/H61/5850/4GB for $445, he should go for i5-2500K/P67/5850/4GB for $505. It'll OC to 4.0GHz on a stock cooler just fine, maybe higher, and he can worry about an aftermarket cooler after that. I think there will be more of a difference performance wise OC'ing an i5 than there will be between the i3 HT and i5 in the vast majority of tasks. And it's a smaller price increase ($60 vs $70).

But it all comes back to the budget question.
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April 24, 2011 2:05:22 AM

OP, thanks for reminding me to look at the Spurs game again. 3 minutes left.
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April 24, 2011 3:01:32 AM

This combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Is stupid easy to OC to 4.4. All you need to do is dial up the clock multiplier. Nothing else. It's not even a challenge. :(  And it's a beast.

For cooling we use Hyper 212s. Inexpensive and highly functional.
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April 24, 2011 3:46:21 AM

dalauder said:
OP, thanks for reminding me to look at the Spurs game again. 3 minutes left.


Gah, we lost:( 

Here it goes, but before you read this you should know I am now definitely leaning toward the Intel i5-2400 or 2500k.

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Approximate Purchase Date: Tomorrow or Monday


Budget Range: 500-800 before rebates
I don't have a newegg account and would be signing up for their 12 month no interest plan or paying cash if its on the lower end of my budget.


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Web Design/Photoshop, Genealogy software/photo editing, gaming, movies/websurf (up to 10 firefox tabs)/email, Seti@Home sometimes(but I dont expect it to get a lot of cpu time)


Parts Not Required: Complete build, no longer just an upgrade. I may use my Acer AL2216W DVI-I Monitor, but maybe not if final price on the PC is on the lower end of my budget.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg is fine.


Country of Origin: Im from the US, although if referring to parts, I dont care.


Parts Preferences: Looks like its going to be Intel i5 2400 or 2500k. The motherboard should have USB 3.0 at least, support my chip, and be a brand people have heard of like ASUS or Gigabyte, you know a reputable brand. RAID is also something I may consider.


Overclocking: Maybe. I want to look into it as an option in a couple years instead of upgrading. Not absolutely necessary though.


SLI or Crossfire: Maybe. Whats the difference? Does it matter? The video card/mobo have to be compatible for it to work, correct?


Monitor Resolution: I'm blind, but I like big screen resolutions. My current resolution on the acer monitor and HD3650 is: 1680 x 1050.


Additional Comments: Quieter is better.

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Hope this helps. I will be paying extra attention to dalauder and pelov.
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April 24, 2011 4:25:59 AM

wombat_tg said:
This combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Is stupid easy to OC to 4.4. All you need to do is dial up the clock multiplier. Nothing else. It's not even a challenge. :(  And it's a beast.

For cooling we use Hyper 212s. Inexpensive and highly functional.


That would have been perfect when I was just upgrading the CPU/MOBO/RAM. My dad has since declared his interest to buy my pc for my mother/nephew, mainly to get them off his gateway.

If I have to get a monitor also, I may have to go with the i5-2300 or i5-2400. I absolutely can't pay more(or much more) than $800 though.
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April 24, 2011 4:29:28 AM



Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM
Item #: N82E16827118039
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$23.99


ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ...
Item #: N82E16814121424
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$10.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$244.99
$234.99


Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ...
Item #: N82E16817371021
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
MSI P67A-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813130571
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148697
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...
Item #: N82E16811147153
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBXM
Item #: N82E16820231443
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$65.00 Instant
-$54.95 Combo
$659.94
$539.99
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i-shop Gift
Item #: N82E16800995066
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.99 Saving
$5.99
$0.00
Subtotal: $798.97
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April 24, 2011 4:33:28 AM

this is a revised build to account for windows



Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7260S-0B - OEM
Item #: N82E16827118039
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$23.99


SAPPHIRE 100282XTREME Radeon HD 5850 Xtreme 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...
Item #: N82E16814102932
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$139.99


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant
$99.99
$94.99


Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ...
Item #: N82E16817371021
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
MSI P67A-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813130571
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148697
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...
Item #: N82E16811147153
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBXM
Item #: N82E16820231443
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$65.00 Instant
-$54.95 Combo
$659.94
$539.99
1

i-shop Gift
Item #: N82E16800995066
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.99 Saving
$5.99
$0.00
Subtotal: $798.96
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April 24, 2011 4:54:26 AM

Hey dan4patriots. Is that this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...

If so I may use this as a start, but the Geforce video card is too rich for me. I may use that combo as a start though. But with 4 more gigs, at least of ram.

Also, I don't need windows7. As I mentioned. I had bought a 64-bit that did not want to install correctly. I bought a legit copy of the 32bit vers from an upgrader on craigslist, and microsoft activated it over the phone. So I have a 64-bit windows version thats never been activated.

UPDATE: I'm really liking the price of that combo pack. Would like to here what dalauder thinks though based on my previous posts. I also realize I WOULD need to get a GPU with this setup.

The combo packs ram will be ok with this correct? For 12gb total? Just in case I decide on the overkill ram :pt1cable: 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 24, 2011 6:08:09 AM

yes that's the combo, you should know that the combo includes 2 sticks of ram, each 2GB for a total of 4GB and that would use 2 slots so yes to have 12GB you need 2 4GB modules but that's overkill and 8GB would be more than enough

also if you think that geforce is too expensive you could get the 5850 I listed and another set of ram plus a hyper 212+ cooler to overclock that 2500K
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April 24, 2011 6:10:47 AM

just get another 4Gb kit of same ram as the combo's and get a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ to overclock that 2500K
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April 24, 2011 8:22:28 AM

I want one of the following two setups or close too it. One is way over budget, but both with the most critical things I want. Still looking to shave off a couple of dollars if possible. Not 100% on the RAM/Case/MB on the 2nd picture, and neither has the BD Burner and WifiCard, but its going to have to do. But if I do change out the MB, it must have more room for internal expansion than just a GPU and x1 PCI Express.

Setup 1:


$884.73 Before Rebates/Savings but incl. S/H

i5-2500K w/ 4gb RAM (Can't afford to add more RAM or better than stock cooling system for OC.)

Setup 2:


$959.89 Before Rebates/Savings but incl. S/H :o 

i5-2400 w/ 8gb RAM
Awesome PSU

Do I Fail? They're pretty much neck and neck in value except for the above mentioned trade-offs, imho, but then again, Im a moron :pt1cable: 
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April 25, 2011 10:06:56 PM

Sorry, I've been MIA. I had these tabs open on my home laptop and I've used my desktop or work computer the last couple days.

That combo would be good, but the mobo only has 1 PCI-e slot and I'm not a fan of that Seagate HDD. The Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is faster and often cheaper. Depending on how you feel about things, I prefer to order my parts over the course of a week or two with the best values that come up.

That means when you can find a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $55, you buy it then. Then, since you do photoshop & graphical work, you should pick up one of those 8GB 1600CL9 DDR3 kits for $75. And if you can find a solid 600W/650W PSU for $60 or so, then you get that. Anyways, here's a parts list of current deals:

CPU: $330 i5-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
This had a $10 rebate last week.

Mobo: $0 MSI included in combo above. Full ATX board w/ 2 PCI-e @ 8x/8x

RAM: $64 ($75 - 15% off code DM15AP11US = $64) G.Skill on sale 8GB (2x4GB) 1600CL9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You don't want 4x2GB sticks or 2x2GB + 2x4GB. More sticks and non-matching RAM run slower than 2x4GB and 12GB is MUCH more than you need if it's not a heavy workstation computer. If this deal runs out, just wait 3 days and it will return.

PSU: $40 OCZ 600W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
This PSU has great reviews (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/OCZ-StealthXStre...) and is only this cheap because of a current rebate. It is low on PCI-e connectors, so you'd want to get some adapters in the future for the molex connectors if you crossfire. It's actually the same unit as the OCZ 700W--just relabeled at 600W.

HDD: $61 free S&H Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001U3S5S0/ref=s...

Graphics: $140 Sapphire 5850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It isn't a graphics beast, but it is a very good card and can run pretty much any game on high settings. And a 600W PSU can handle two. I say "Pretty Much" because of games like Metro 2033.

Case: $40 free S&H http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is really a matter of personal opinion. But I don't think you're gonna find a better looking case for bottom mounting your PSU with a black interior for $40 w/ free shipping.

Cooler: None--wait to buy a Hyper 212+ 'til you see a sale or you actually notice a heat issue with your overclocks. Always monitor temps when you're overclocking.

DVD: $22 Any

Monitor: $0 Yours is just fine. If you switch to another 22" at 1920x1080, you won't be any happier, you'll just be down $130 and notice your games run slower.

TOTAL: $697

I suggest you buy the RAM, PSU, & case immediately. Then you can spend time decidin on the rest, which you should also buy.
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April 26, 2011 12:36:51 AM

The above build is great. The 5850 is more than sufficient for your monitor resolution. In fact it'll tear through anything it comes up against at highest settings at your resolution, so there's no need to crossfire.

That motherboard is crossfire ready and that PSU should be able to handle another 5850, but crossfire would be excessive at 1680x1050 unless you decide to add a second monitor and game on both. If years down the line you need more graphics power just add a second 5850.

Buy the samsung spinpoint drives now, as samsung has sold their HDD division to seagate. So you probably won't be seeing those awesome hard drives for much longer.
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April 26, 2011 4:22:54 AM

Gah. I thought you guys abandoned me :sweat: 

I got excited and ordered that one combo that included the case and psu. Once I started adding stuff it just kept getting ridiculously expensive. I saw about the PCI-e slot and decided I would just have to live with one graphic card. I also got a monitor since Im giving my old rig away completely. I think the only thing I really messed up on was the RAM. I got 4 x 2GB. I did make sure to get the same kind though. The other ripjaws deal with 25% off sold out right when I was about to order.

As long as anything doesn't break, (I didnt order the protection plans), I am okay with what I think this will offer for now. I plan on getting ridiculous 10k RPM HDD'(s) sometime in the future for OS to run on, one for Windows and one for Ubuntu. Im kind of new to newegg also, and I didnt have the time to find the absolute best deals. Next time I will surely take dalauders advice and order it separately, I just got excited.

So here it is:

1 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
Item #: N82E16819115072
$224.99

1 Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...
Item #: N82E16811147153
$54.99

1 Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000
Item #: N82E16823109149
$18.99

1 Rosewill RH-40C 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Multimedia Stereo Headset
Item #: N82E16826193029
$6.99

1 MSI P67A-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813130571
$119.99

1 Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE ...
Item #: N82E16817371021
$79.99

1 LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support
Item #: N82E16827106335
$24.99

1 SAPPHIRE 100282XTREME Radeon HD 5850 Xtreme 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ...
Item #: N82E16814102932
$139.99

1 ASUS VH232H Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor w/Speakers & HDMI
Item #: N82E16824236079
$169.99

1 Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical - Black
Item #: N82E16826105164
$12.99

1 Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148697
$59.99

2 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-4GBXM
Item #: N82E16820231443
$109.98
($54.99 ea)


Subtotal $963.92
Tax $0.00
UPS 3 DAYS $14.79
Rush Processing (Discount) -$2.99
Rush Processing $2.99
Order Total $978.71

I know its way over my initial budget, but I don't mind no interest plans because I will pay it off before the deadline. This is why I used to buy from best buy.

Just out of curiosity, how much would a computer shop charge me for a computer like this already set up?
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April 26, 2011 4:57:17 AM

$1700. Do lucocomputers.com or Cyberpower if you want a better deal than $1700.

Also, you can probably still return that RAM or maybe cancel the entire order. I recommend you save yourself $120 and do it, but if you can't--your computer will still be VERY good.

DO NOT BUY A 10,000 RPM HDD. They cost a bunch and get ridiculously outperformed by a SSD.
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April 26, 2011 5:22:30 AM

dalauder said:
$1700. Do lucocomputers.com or Cyberpower if you want a better deal than $1700.

Also, you can probably still return that RAM or maybe cancel the entire order. I recommend you save yourself $120 and do it, but if you can't--your computer will still be VERY good.

DO NOT BUY A 10,000 RPM HDD. They cost a bunch and get ridiculously outperformed by a SSD.


They already shipped it. They're fast! I dont mind the extra $120 if a shop would really charge that crazy price!

Ill update with some benchmarks when I get old Johnny #5 assembled. It has to beat my 435 Performance Test mark that my current pc has.

Also, will take your advice about the 10k HDD. Thanks.
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April 29, 2011 4:45:37 AM

Component Details Subscore Base score
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz 7.5
5.9 Determined by lowest subscore

Memory (RAM) 8.00 GB 7.8
Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series 7.7
Gaming graphics 4854 MB Total available graphics memory 7.7
Primary hard disk 893GB Free (931GB Total) 5.9

Trial Version of Performance Test overall score is:
2444.4

The mobo came with a little packet for the power/reset jumpers, and I thought I followed the instructions on the little pack, but the PC would not power up at all. Then I plugged the power switch into a different jumper (the one that says POWER, obviously, the packet recomended a different setup.) So I put it back together and it works. HDD LED works, and front USB works. I hope I didnt mess anything up. I have no clue about the eSATA because I have no such device currently.

Thanks again for all your guys help, especially to pelov and dalauder. :bounce: 
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April 29, 2011 6:41:48 PM

welcome! enjoy your new rig :) 
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