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April 23, 2011 8:04:47 PM

Hi, this is my first time building my own computer, and i have a few questions.
Im trying to keep it in the $600-$700 range. Here is what i have put together so far.
I want to be able to play games on it.
Is there anything that i should change about these parts?
Also, can i get a recommendation on a graphics card?
And is there anything else that i will need?


AMD Athlon II X4 645 Propus 3.1GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

BIOSTAR TA880GB+ AM3 AMD 880G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER GX Series RS650-ACAAE3-US 650W ATX12V v2.31 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Acer S201HLbd Black 20" 5ms LED-Backlight LCD monitor 250 cd/m2 ACM 12,000,000:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Logitech S-150 1.2 Watts 2.0 Digital USB Speakers - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

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April 23, 2011 8:52:26 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: this week i hope

Budget Range: 600-700 AR

System Usage from Most to Least Important: surfing the internet, gaming, watching movies

Parts Not Required: OS (i have windows 7 disk)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: whatevers best, ive looked up everything on newegg

Country of Origin: US

Parts Preferences: by brand or type: probably AMD, but i dont really have a strong opinion

Overclocking: should i?

SLI or Crossfire: probably not now, but in the future maybe?

Monitor Resolution: 1600:900
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April 23, 2011 9:41:19 PM

if you have $700 to spend you should not settle for anything less than an i5-2500 + 6870. i dont have time to refine it for you but hopefully someone else will without recommending some crap processor.



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HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
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April 23, 2011 10:08:55 PM
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April 23, 2011 10:19:16 PM

im not going to be selective, i honestly believe AMD processors are the best and intel is over hyped because they have more Commercials (more advertisements therefor they must be better) no i think AMD is great but go with the newer Phenom II x4 if you can.

and change the HD to a 500gb seagate (WD drives fail like crazy and they are often slower than other HD)

and i have a $150 HIS Iceq 5770 turbo GPU card and it plays crysis on the max settings on 1080p smoothly

i dont believe the sandy bridge is worth buying unless you get the 2500K (for the cool integrated 3000 HD graphics bonus) otherwise i think intels overpriced honestly people think their better because they cost more >.< in america expensive->better but its not always true.

April 23, 2011 10:35:04 PM

banthracis said:
Fill out the form in the sticky, link in my sig.

Some things you should change would be the HD to a 7200.12 or spinpoint F3. PSU to a XFX 650w, which is cheaper AR and a much better PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Best GPU in your price range would be $140 for a 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



You make good points about the HDD and GPU, but I disagree with the PSU change. The cost difference is minimal, and the reviews are actually better on the Cooler Master one. Not to mention I've never had a problem with a Cooler Master product.
April 23, 2011 11:22:08 PM

samrialj said:
im not going to be selective, i honestly believe AMD processors are the best and intel is over hyped because they have more Commercials (more advertisements therefor they must be better) no i think AMD is great but go with the newer Phenom II x4 if you can.

and change the HD to a 500gb seagate (WD drives fail like crazy and they are often slower than other HD)

and i have a $150 HIS Iceq 5770 turbo GPU card and it plays crysis on the max settings on 1080p smoothly

i dont believe the sandy bridge is worth buying unless you get the 2500K (for the cool integrated 3000 HD graphics bonus) otherwise i think intels overpriced honestly people think their better because they cost more >.< in america expensive->better but its not always true.



http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289
$140 phenom x4 955
vs
$124 i3 2100
Loses in multithreaded programs as I did dual vs quad but look at the games. The lower priced sb is beating the phenom.
Here's vs 965 because it has more benchmarked games. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=289

And "cool" and "integrated" should not be in the same sentence.
April 23, 2011 11:24:43 PM

k1114 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289
$140 phenom x4 955
vs
$124 i3 2400
Loses in multithreaded programs as I did dual vs quad but look at the games. The lower priced sb is beating the phenom.

And "cool" and "integrated" should not be in the same sentence.


why do you guys always use that stupid website dont you have any real experience to prove your point? i didnt think so.. AND by the way the fact that a CPU has a integrated GPU IS COOL
its a advancement in CPU technology and im amazed
I HAVE A i5 2500K
Some MOBO have really nice integrated GPU also.



April 23, 2011 11:37:43 PM

I don't have experience because why would I buy 2 $1000+ pcs just to try out amd vs intel when there are reputable benchmarks to prove performance; and save me the money to only buy one. I don't like anandtech but the SB review on Tom's only has 3 game benchmarks. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...
April 23, 2011 11:52:12 PM

wow, thank you guys. those builds seem alot better then what i tried to put together on my own.
April 24, 2011 12:36:55 AM

samrialj said:
why do you guys always use that stupid website dont you have any real experience to prove your point? i didnt think so.. AND by the way the fact that a CPU has a integrated GPU IS COOL
its a advancement in CPU technology and im amazed
I HAVE A i5 2500K
Some MOBO have really nice integrated GPU also.


... it's called scientific experimentation, which is a lot more valid than some nobody's opinion. Why you would argue that data from controlled consistent tests, carried out is a scientifically sound manner is worth less than your opinion, is beyond me.

Clock for clock, intel CPU's out perform AMD. However, for gaming, CPU power doesn't really matter as much as GPU, hence even a lower powered CPU runs most game fine.

In terms of raw computing power though, AMD is far behind at this point.

The i5-2500k's integrated GPU is a piece of junk for gaming, performs worse than a $60 discrete one. Where it is useful is for quick synch.

Now, as for PSU choice. One is 80+ bronze rated as well as modular. Why would you pay more for one that has neither?

Further, that CM is made by Seventeam, best known for cheap PSU's that fail to perform up to specs. In fact, that particular model is solidly in the crappy category too.
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/11/22/cooler_master_gx_...

The XFX on the other hand is made by Seasonic, the best PSU OEM maker in the business. Granted that model isn't nearly as good as it's XFX Black Edition brethren which are M12D's, but for the price, they're a top notch buy.
April 24, 2011 12:42:01 AM

Best answer selected by rws0210.
April 24, 2011 12:50:54 AM

i think i decided to go with k1114s build. i switched in the power supply from gengiskron, in case i ever decide to add a gpu, does that make sense? this is my first build so is there anything else i might need to get?
April 24, 2011 1:32:25 AM

The h61 I suggested only has 1 pcie 2.0 slot so would not be recommended for another card. I had that psu as it was decent quality, I don't like xigmatek myself but I was over budget. I could change the build some if you have some other criteria you didn't mention. But sli/cf option will cost more.
April 24, 2011 1:41:58 AM

oh alright, thank you. i dont think sli/cf is necessary i just thought i would put it in if thats all it took, i didnt know that there was something else missing
April 24, 2011 2:05:35 AM

I think I missed some stuff I wanted to say. This case is $5 less AR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but it's your choice if you want it. The mobo doesn't have usb3.0 or sata 6gb/s: it's features like these that I was talking about. But it will raise the price $20 to have it and I'm not sure if you would spend more. The monitor was also something I was debating about. It's $10 more but 1600x900 vs 1920x1080 seemed like a no brainer.
April 24, 2011 2:17:52 AM

yeah, im sort of hesiating on the price right now, so i want to keep it as low as i can without sacrificing too much
April 24, 2011 2:37:58 AM
April 24, 2011 2:53:09 AM

what does adding a modular psu do?
i dont mind switching to amd if that would be best, that what i was originally looking at. i might get a 500gb hdd, i dont think i need the full Tb
April 24, 2011 3:11:38 AM

A regular psu has all the wires connected to it, so any unused will sit in your case, which would mean more cable management. For a modular psu, you only plug in the wires you need. The antec I posted is actually semi modular, it has the essentials connected but peripherals are modular. Look at the pictures on newegg if you'd like.
April 24, 2011 3:32:16 AM

thats what i thought. i really like the i5 build, but i kind of want use the less expensive AMD one, with probably a 500gb hdd
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