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2 Questions, build good for linux minecraft server and what distro?

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April 23, 2011 10:36:09 PM

Ok, so I'm planning on running a minecraft server. I want to know these 2 questions.

1.) Is this build good for running let's say 3 or 4 people on a server, and if I'm going to be running it for long periods at a time is the cooling on it fine?

2.) If I want to save as much memory as possible so that the server works fine, what distro should I be using of linux? I want to use Ubuntu, but I was told on the Minecraft forums that it uses more memory because it is gnome and a desktop environment, they said use lubuntu or xubuntu, what are your guys' thoughts on that?

Here is the build:

Processor:
Intel Pentium D 805 2.66GHz 533MHz 2MB Socket 775 Dual-Core CPU
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PD805266775-R&c...
$27

Motherboard:
Fujitsu Siemens D2164-A Intel 945G Socket 775 Motherboard w/Video, Audio & GbLAN
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=D2164-BO&cat=MB...
$16

Hard Drive:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA/300 7200RPM 8MB Hard Drive
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST3500820AS-2R&...
$35

RAM:
CenDyne 2GB DDR2 RAM PC2-6400 240-Pin DIMM
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CDN800D2D8C5-2G
$28

Disc Drive:
Hitachi/LG GDR-8160B 16x DVD-ROM IDE Drive (Black)
$9

Case Cooling:
4.72" x 4.72" (120mm) Logisys Ball Bearing Extreme Quiet Rubber Case Fan w/4-pin Connector (Blue/Gray)
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SF120
$17

CPU Cooling:
Socket 775 Aluminum Heat Sink & 3" Fan w/4-Pin Connector up to Core 2 Duo 2.6GHz
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PA020-7MB4W-BUL...
$4

Thermal Paste (If it even matters):
1g White Silicone Thermal Grease CPU Heat Sink Compound
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=GREASE-1G&cat=C...
$1

Case:
11-Bay ATX Mid Tower Computer Case w/450W 20+4-pin PSU (White)
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WHT-8201C-24-PC
$25

I'm using a cheap $20 old box monitor from amazon because if it's just running a minecraft server I don't need a $100 monitor, because it will never be on or used much. I'm just using a cheap $6 keyboard and $5 mouse from Newegg.

I don't need much harddrive space, so if you know one that is a lot cheaper than that one that will work with this build, or anything that is equivelant to any of these parts that will save me money, that would be great, because the more money I save, the better.

Thanks :) 
April 23, 2011 11:06:38 PM

I don't know much about minecraft ... but I do know a bit about Ubuntu and I can say that Operative System alone this system is only going to use about 300MB RAM. That leaves a good 1.6 to 1.7GB of RAM left for running MineCraft ... if that is sufficient! I'd suggest at the least starting off with the normal Ubuntu OS and then changing the desktop environment if required ... by using the install another desktop command eg: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". Better still you can simply disable the entire desktop environment when you are not using it! Chances are however that the computer will be able to run Ubuntu's desktop no problems!

Overall I don't see any glaring issues with the build ... Quick look at that store says to me that you have already chosen the best quality/value parts!

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April 23, 2011 11:12:27 PM

Yeah haha, found the store by searching for old computer parts.

Yeah minecraft server (I'd be playing the game on my laptop which is running Windows 7, but the server would be running differently), takes up about I'd like to say 100 MB per person (don't quote me on it) and when you install the server it wants to take up 1024 MB, something like that, the code is this when you install it if it helps: " -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"

If you know anything about hardware, is the cooling that I'm using sufficient to be running this 24/7? Like should I buy 1 or 2 more fans and somehow add them into my case? I don't want to spend the money on water cooling to be honest because this is my first build and I don't want to mess it up.

Also, since I see you know a bit about linux, are there any other Linux Distros that would use less memory than that? The more the better haha.
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April 24, 2011 4:20:42 AM

Well there are a lot of different linux distros which use less RAM than Ubuntu! but overall you have to be able to use the linux distro and some are rather difficult! I have seen many people defeated by Ubuntu and just give up moving to the likes of Windows server instead ... and Ubuntu is generally regarded to be the most polished linux distro out there!

Therefore my suggestion is that you start off with ubuntu server and if you come into issues simply start removing the services which aren't required in order to reduce the RAM footprint!

As for the hardware ... Taking a look at the information on the cooler that you have chosen suggests that the cooler can only remove heat from a CPU up to 35Watt TDP. According to the intel website the pentium D 805 is actually a 95 watt TDP - http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27511
Take a look at this cooler then from the website - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=IC2102PWM-BP&cat=CPU ( I know its a bit more expensive but at lease it does come with thermal paste!) Check the fan power socket is supported on the motherboard first though!

Also the case fan should be fine for cooling there.

Perhaps some more experienced Toms hardware experts could shed some light on the cooling requirements of this system!

Please also take a look at the AMD range on this website too as you are going back to the era when AMD CPUs were the performance kings of the market! The newer AMD CPUs in the AM3 socket range could also save a significant amount on your power bill if this computer is to be running 24/7. The 65Watt TDP Athlon x2 built on 45nm! I suppose you've got to decide whether you have enough money versus how expensive electricity is in your area!
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April 24, 2011 4:29:13 AM

ukee1593 said:
Well there are a lot of different linux distros which use less RAM than Ubuntu! but overall you have to be able to use the linux distro and some are rather difficult! I have seen many people defeated by Ubuntu and just give up moving to the likes of Windows server instead ... and Ubuntu is generally regarded to be the most polished linux distro out there!

Therefore my suggestion is that you start off with ubuntu server and if you come into issues simply start removing the services which aren't required in order to reduce the RAM footprint!

As for the hardware ... Taking a look at the information on the cooler that you have chosen suggests that the cooler can only remove heat from a CPU up to 35Watt TDP. According to the intel website the pentium D 805 is actually a 95 watt TDP - http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27511
Take a look at this cooler then from the website - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=IC2102PWM-BP&cat=CPU ( I know its a bit more expensive but at lease it does come with thermal paste!) Check the fan power socket is supported on the motherboard first though!

Also the case fan should be fine for cooling there.

Perhaps some more experienced Toms hardware experts could shed some light on the cooling requirements of this system!

Please also take a look at the AMD range on this website too as you are going back to the era when AMD CPUs were the performance kings of the market! The newer AMD CPUs in the AM3 socket range could also save a significant amount on your power bill if this computer is to be running 24/7. The 65Watt TDP Athlon x2 built on 45nm! I suppose you've got to decide whether you have enough money versus how expensive electricity is in your area!


Ok, I added the fan that you recommended to me as the cpu fan of my choice. I will check out some of the AMD processors for that time era on geeks.com and then also price check them on ebay and see what I can find. Thanks for the great recommendations!

Oh yeah, also I was looking at the xubuntu page, and it only requires 64 mb to run the os with 128 mb recommended. So if I'm using 2 GB of ram, that means I have a lot towards the server. I would be using the desktop version of it because Minecraft server is easier to run in the little server runner download thing that notch puts on his site. So all you gotta do is run it and edit the text files to change things with your server.
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April 24, 2011 5:21:50 AM

RedAwsomeness said:
Ok, I added the fan that you recommended to me as the cpu fan of my choice. I will check out some of the AMD processors for that time era on geeks.com and then also price check them on ebay and see what I can find. Thanks for the great recommendations!

Oh yeah, also I was looking at the xubuntu page, and it only requires 64 mb to run the os with 128 mb recommended. So if I'm using 2 GB of ram, that means I have a lot towards the server. I would be using the desktop version of it because Minecraft server is easier to run in the little server runner download thing that notch puts on his site. So all you gotta do is run it and edit the text files to change things with your server.


The AMD AM3 CPUs are actually current generation! They are just very cheap because they are meant to be budget processor offerings. You could probably buy those at newegg with the stock cooling fan. If it is a 65 watt TDP you won't need as big and expensive cooling fan either!

By editing some files you can disable the GUI on the desktop install and save some RAM! Then the GUI can be started again when needed!

Ebay looks good to pick up some cheap parts! Please note too if you do decide to go with a CPU such as the Athlon x2 240 edition then you will need DDR3 RAM!
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April 24, 2011 11:51:48 AM

ukee1593 said:
The AMD AM3 CPUs are actually current generation! They are just very cheap because they are meant to be budget processor offerings. You could probably buy those at newegg with the stock cooling fan. If it is a 65 watt TDP you won't need as big and expensive cooling fan either!

By editing some files you can disable the GUI on the desktop install and save some RAM! Then the GUI can be started again when needed!

Ebay looks good to pick up some cheap parts! Please note too if you do decide to go with a CPU such as the Athlon x2 240 edition then you will need DDR3 RAM!


Thanks for the great responses, sorry I'm kind of new when it comes to this, that's why I'm just building a cheap build as my first one. But, is this what your talking about processor?

CPU:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 2.6GHz 2x512KB Socket AM2 Dual-Core CPU
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ADO5000IAA5DO

Mobo:
ASRock N68C-S UCC AM3/AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram:
Kingston 1GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3/1GR (x2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(So basically I'm buying 2 of these)

Is this basically what you were talking about?
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April 24, 2011 12:51:36 PM

I was thinking of the AMD Athlon II X2 245 ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103933 This requires an AM3 motherboard which is supported on the motherboard you have selected! I would attempt to get an ASUS motherboard of Ebay if possible for better quality!

That RAM is good for the processor that I listed above but it will NOT work with the one that you listed. Only the AM3 CPUs support DDR3!

Sorry for the confusion there, but the processor that I am suggesting is actually current generation. If you can afford this then it will beat the crap out of the Pentium D dual core in terms of performance and lowering power consumption!
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April 24, 2011 1:09:46 PM

ukee1593 said:
I was thinking of the AMD Athlon II X2 245 ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103933 This requires an AM3 motherboard which is supported on the motherboard you have selected! I would attempt to get an ASUS motherboard of Ebay if possible for better quality!

That RAM is good for the processor that I listed above but it will NOT work with the one that you listed. Only the AM3 CPUs support DDR3!

Sorry for the confusion there, but the processor that I am suggesting is actually current generation. If you can afford this then it will beat the crap out of the Pentium D dual core in terms of performance and lowering power consumption!


Alright thanks! I'll try and search for an ASUS motherboard on ebay. Sorry about the confustion, I'm just kind of dumb when it comes to this, but I'm still learning haha.

Also I found this mobo:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-M4A78LT-M-LE-AM3-DDR3-MATX-Mot...

Micro ATX, AM3, DDR3 all included on the board.
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April 24, 2011 2:34:27 PM

Yeah that motherboard should do fine .. All you need to do is buy the RAM and CPU in and then stick them in your case with PSU!! Also with this you **Might** be able to avoid getting the CD/DVD drive altogether and just use the ubuntu USB installer! Take a look here http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download

If that doesn't work you can always just get the CD/DVD drive after

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April 25, 2011 9:42:57 PM

ukee1593 said:
Yeah that motherboard should do fine .. All you need to do is buy the RAM and CPU in and then stick them in your case with PSU!! Also with this you **Might** be able to avoid getting the CD/DVD drive altogether and just use the ubuntu USB installer! Take a look here http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download

If that doesn't work you can always just get the CD/DVD drive after


Yeah Ubuntu's great and all, but I was thinking about using Puppy Linux or Xubuntu because they are lightweight. Might end up using Xubuntu. My aunt, saw what I was doing on my computer and said that she'd give me her old computer form like 2001 with the monitor, so I'll see how the case is and see if I can use any parts from that, and then post what I find inside and what I'll buy for it I guess. Thanks for the great help, but I can't seem to find Xubuntu for usb flash drive, but I'm probably just not seeing it on the website or something. I'm pretty sure I saw one for puppy linux, but I did see some people complain about how Minecraft wouldn't run on it on some forum posts, so I might want to not take the risk and just use xubuntu, which I know will work because Minecraft works off of regular Ubuntu for me.
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April 25, 2011 11:33:27 PM

First off ... In order to use the USB installer for Linux you will need a motherboard that supports booting from USB. A computer from 2001 will not have that (boot from USB started coming in around 2005 - 2006) so you'll have to use the CD in order to install!

Secondly ... the USB installer takes ANY Linux distro and installs it onto the USB flash drive! So Xubuntu should work fine that way providing you download XUBUNTU and then load the *.iso file into the universal USB installer and follow the prompts! However with a 2001 computer this would not work!

Anyways ... have fun ripping apart old computers!

EDIT: Just taking a look at your two builds again ... Comparing the prices

OLD BUILD WITH PENTIUM D AND BIGGER CPU COOLER:
$176

Current Gen AMD Athlon II x2 build:

RAM ... 2 * 1GB Kingston DDR3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134489 $26

CPU ... AMD Athlon II x2 250 3.0GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903 $61 (no CPU heatsink required other than the included heatsink)

MotherBoard ... 5818wt_905]http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-M4A78LT-M [...] 5818wt_905 $61

HDD ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136864 $

CASE ... Same as other build .. $25

Total $206

Hopefully some old parts from the computer will shave the price down a little more!


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April 25, 2011 11:51:03 PM

ukee1593 said:
First off ... In order to use the USB installer for Linux you will need a motherboard that supports booting from USB. A computer from 2001 will not have that (boot from USB started coming in around 2005 - 2006) so you'll have to use the CD in order to install!

Secondly ... the USB installer takes ANY Linux distro and installs it onto the USB flash drive! So Xubuntu should work fine that way providing you download XUBUNTU and then load the *.iso file into the universal USB installer and follow the prompts! However with a 2001 computer this would not work!

Anyways ... have fun ripping apart old computers!


I wasn't planning on using the motherboard, I actually am probably going to use the case and the monitor she gives me most likely. I'm actually using the CPU I was recommended and a Nvidia board I found with 2 GB or DDR3 SDRAM for now, and then in the future I might upgrade.
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April 26, 2011 12:06:29 AM

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I wasn't planning on using the motherboard, I actually am probably going to use the case and the monitor she gives me most likely. I'm actually using the CPU I was recommended and a Nvidia board I found with 2 GB or DDR3 SDRAM for now, and then in the future I might upgrade.


That's all good then ... For the power supply that comes with the computer you'll need to check for a couple of things ...

First off you'll need some SATA power connectors! Those things are quite long and thin in appearance. The other thing is the 24 pin power connector AND the 2 pin CPU power connector. Just google image search for an idea of what they look like!

If they don't have that you'll need a new power supply!
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April 26, 2011 12:16:52 AM

ukee1593 said:
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I wasn't planning on using the motherboard, I actually am probably going to use the case and the monitor she gives me most likely. I'm actually using the CPU I was recommended and a Nvidia board I found with 2 GB or DDR3 SDRAM for now, and then in the future I might upgrade.


That's all good then ... For the power supply that comes with the computer you'll need to check for a couple of things ...

First off you'll need some SATA power connectors! Those things are quite long and thin in appearance. The other thing is the 24 pin power connector AND the 2 pin CPU power connector. Just google image search for an idea of what they look like!

If they don't have that you'll need a new power supply!


I know what sata looks like, I've had to do work with my Xbox 360 DVD Drive once because it kept scratching discs so I had to replace it, it was sata connected. On the Newegg help site, it said recommended for this would be about 265 watts, so if its to small (which I doubt) or not the right plug ins, I'll just purchase one off of Newegg or some other website.

Thanks for the great help! You're awesome!
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April 30, 2012 4:28:18 AM

RedAwsomeness said:
Yeah haha, found the store by searching for old computer parts.

Yeah minecraft server (I'd be playing the game on my laptop which is running Windows 7, but the server would be running differently), takes up about I'd like to say 100 MB per person (don't quote me on it) and when you install the server it wants to take up 1024 MB, something like that, the code is this when you install it if it helps: " -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"

If you know anything about hardware, is the cooling that I'm using sufficient to be running this 24/7? Like should I buy 1 or 2 more fans and somehow add them into my case? I don't want to spend the money on water cooling to be honest because this is my first build and I don't want to mess it up.

Also, since I see you know a bit about linux, are there any other Linux Distros that would use less memory than that? The more the better haha.


I have a Linux Ubuntu Minecraft server running 24/7 and by far the most important thing is ram.
Linux is pretty easy going as far as hardware goes. Rip a dvd/cd drive out of an old box (or just borrow one for the install you can put it back later) grab an old hard drive out of a garage sale pc (40 gigs is ok 80 is better)
My server file is less than half a gig so it doesn't take much room at all.
Max out the ram on that board, it can take 4 sticks up to a max of 8 Gigs

I have 16 gigs of ram in mine and 12 of that is running the server

Your code...

" -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"

How I'd run it with 8 Gigs of ram

" -Xmx3G -Xms3G -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"

If that doesn't leave enough memory for you try...

" -Xmx2G -Xms2G -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame"

Other things you need to know

You'll have to look into port forwarding so your router lets the server communicate with players, portforward.com can show you how to set up your type of router

you'll need to know the internal ip address of your router and the name and password to get in and change the settings....you will also need the ip of the computer in your house that is the server (Google "my IP" on that computer)

You'll need to add "TCP" and "UDP" for the minecraft port in your firewall settings under "port forwarding" in the router settings

You will have to install "restricted extras"

You will have to install "JDK6" and/or "JDK7" for java

Before you try to run your Jar file you have to right click on it and under the permissions tab you have to check off "allow executing this file as a program"

And if you have anyone other than friends on there get a Bukkit server jar and add "Light weight chest" and "Grief prevention" bukkit plugins.
And use Ubuntu, there is way more support for it and it just works better with minecraft. I tried Debian as a MC server but the frame rate was horrible.

Good luck on your build, it really seems like a lot but if you can't afford to pay for hosting it's your only option. You tube has a lot of info, watch vids on port forwardting and Ubuntu linux minecraft server

TickMagnet admin/owner of Freeplay Freeserver
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