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February 17, 2011 7:07:20 PM

Which one should I get? These are at the same price range here. ~172$. I know it's a awful price to pay, but I don't have any possibilities to buy it cheaper. And also gtx460 is too expensive.

My build:
MB AMD 870/SB850 SAM3 ATX/GA-870A-UD3 GIGA-BYTE

InWin EAR009 MD Tower Black/Silver ATX USB2.0/Audio/AirDuct/11Drive Bays w/o PSU

DVD-/+R/RW-RAM12X24X SATA OEM/BLACK AD-7260S-0B OPTIARC

CHIEFTEC PSU 500W ATX2.3 80+ BULK

Western Digital WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200rpm 16MB SATA 6.0 GB/s

CPU Desktop Phenom II X4 955 (3.2GHz,8MB,125W,AM3) box Black Edition

Crucial Rendition 2GB DDR3 1333 DIMM CL9 240-PIN 256Mx64 PC3-10600 (Bulk)

I'd go straight to 5770 but it's a matter of physx. I need a card which could run games with physx on properly.

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a c 130 U Graphics card
February 17, 2011 7:14:38 PM

The 450 isnt good enough to run PhysX at a decent level anyway so forget PhysX and just get the 5770.

Mactronix :) 
February 17, 2011 7:16:14 PM

So with both of card I wouldn't be able to enable and play with physx?
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February 17, 2011 7:47:03 PM

If you can afford a HD 5770 you can afford a GTX 460. Go beat up some kid for his $15 lunch money.

Why can't you get anything cheaper?

If you're stuck with those two terrible choices, the HD 5770 is slightly less terrible for games. You aren't doing any PhysX with that GTS 450....
February 17, 2011 7:58:58 PM

Ok then This and this

or this and VGA 1GB GDDR5 PCIE16 HD5770

Is gtx460 SE 768mb is better than 5770 1GB?
And is it worth to buy that cheaper motherboard to save up money for a gtx460?
And which is the best gtx 465 1gb or gtx460se 1gb or gtx460 768mb?
February 17, 2011 8:04:31 PM

Sorry I don't know the conversion rates so I don't know about the price/value of them.

I'd go with the cheaper motherboard since the more expensive one has an extra PCIe x16 slot running at x4 which is useless.

Like I said I don't know the conversion rates or the difference between that HD 5770 and GTX 460.
February 17, 2011 8:06:05 PM

1$ = 2,5LT.

I'm interested in better mb not only because of second pcie which as I know is x4. But because it has sata3 and is capable to run x6 phenom

These are my options if I go for cheaper MB:
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/MSI/MSI_GTX460CYCLONE_PCIE_768MB_2/N460GTX_CYC_768D5/OC/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=353022
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/Asus/Asus_ENGTX460_DIRECTCU_TOP/2DI/ENGTX460_DIRECTCU_TOP/2DI/768M/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=354415
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/MSI/VGA_1GB_GDDR5_PCIE16_GTX460SE//N460GTX-SECY1GD5/OC/MD/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=369457
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/Gigabyte/VGA_1GB_GDDR5_PCIE16_GTX460SE//GV-N460SE-1GI/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=365782
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/Sparkle/VGA_1GB_GDDR5_PCIE16_GTX460/SX/SXX4601024D5SNM/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=352275
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/Asus/ASUS_GF_GTX460_DIRECTCU_TOP_PC/ENGTX460_DCT/2DI/768/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=353099
http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/MSI/VGA_1GB_GDDR5_PCIE16_GTX465/N4/N465GTXTWINFROZRII/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=366091

So as I'm in very limited budget I have CHIEFTEC PSU 500W ATX2.3 80+ BULK. Is it enough to gtx460?
February 17, 2011 8:42:51 PM

Any AM3 motherboard will accept the X6s. You will only see the difference between SATA II and SATA III in SSDs. That Western Digitial Hard Drive cannot do 600 mb/s (SATA III maximum transfer rate). The maximum limit of sustained transfer for mechanical hard drives is 157 mb/s; slightly above SATA 1.5.

Your PSU supposedly has >400W over the 12V rails and should be able to power the GTX 460.
February 17, 2011 9:00:33 PM

So even if it's Gtx460SE 768mb or gtxse 1gb or gtx 768mb, go for it isntead of better mb and 5770?

And I will be able to play Dirt2,nfs and other popular games maxed? Inculding Mafia 2 with physx max?
February 17, 2011 10:03:53 PM

I would get the GTX 460 768mb over the 1gb SE. PhysX can be turned on with the 460 with playable frame rates. You can max out some games such as BFBC2 but not Mafia II (though I think BFBC2 is much more impressive graphically).

I don't believe a GTX 460 SE 768mb exists.

Like I said in the previous post you will not see the difference between those motherboards without a SSD.
February 17, 2011 10:12:34 PM

Ok, You helped me a lot.
So I came up with these two http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and any other 768mb version. Other non SE versions is too expensive.

Dunno why this gtx460 1gb is so cheap. So which should I choose. I know, I'm asking too much. As the 768 is cheaper by 15-20$ is it worth more?Is there big difference between GTX460 1gb and 768mb?
February 17, 2011 10:19:36 PM

The GTX 460 1gb (non-SE) it worth the upgrade over the GTX 460 768mb if you can afford it. Its clocked a bit slower but has more cores enabled and you can overclock the crap out of all the 460s.
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 12:03:09 AM

the se is better than the 768 imo, at least your getting the full 1gb ram.
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 12:46:46 AM

And thats why they made it crowe. Others make the same error. SE < 768 < 1GB (non SE). Thats the performance order.
February 18, 2011 8:11:31 AM

minitron815 said:
Any AM3 motherboard will accept the X6s. You will only see the difference between SATA II and SATA III in SSDs. That Western Digitial Hard Drive cannot do 600 mb/s (SATA III maximum transfer rate). The maximum limit of sustained transfer for mechanical hard drives is 157 mb/s; slightly above SATA 1.5.

Your PSU supposedly has >400W over the 12V rails and should be able to power the GTX 460.



So this information about WD hdd is wrong ? http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=110
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 9:00:02 AM

the information is all correct, you just need to know how to read beyond the marketing and look at real world results
February 18, 2011 10:28:19 AM

ok. so I'm going with a cheaper gigabyte mb and GTX460SE 1GB or non se 768mb.
or just get cheap 5770 and leave it for brother to upgrade next year to gtx460 1gb?
vote :) 
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 10:39:29 AM

The SE is crap, avoid. 768MB or 5770 depending on budget and board choice.
February 18, 2011 10:47:06 AM

for a build

phenomx4 955be C3, GA-MA770T-UD3, 500 wd caviar blue, 2gb crucial ram

ENGTX460 DCT/2DI/768 or 465 GTX TWIN FROZR or ASUS GF GTX 460 DIRECTCU TOP 768 ?

Also I could get gtx460 1gb versions of sparkle or club3d manufacturers as they cost the same as 768mb asus.

February 18, 2011 1:31:46 PM

The 465 is pretty tempting but consumes 50 watts more at max load and from what I've heard runs hotter and louder. I would still get it over a 768.
February 18, 2011 1:59:41 PM

So even 768mb asus > 1gb club3d/sparkle ? Same price.
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 3:53:26 PM

Performance wise no. The 1GB should be faster. The others are cheaper because the warranty and package aren't as good. If you only care about the raw speed, get one of those 1GB ones.
a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 4:13:44 PM

^+1 and forget about the 465.
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 9:49:26 PM

Yeah, that card was sad even when it launched. Of the "original" GTX4xx cards, only the GTX470 looked good. And that went away when the GTX460 came out due to the difference in temps/noise.
February 19, 2011 7:31:09 AM

Really the performance and quality rate is in sparkle or club3d 1gb side? I didn't thought that asus 768mb trails behind so bad.
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 19, 2011 7:56:59 AM

If its the regular 1GB and not the SE version then yes, the 1GB model is better. The 768MB version has more stuff turned off. It has 8 less ROPs, a narrower memory bus at 192bits wide instead of 256bits, and the L2 cache on the chip is smaller as well. Even though the companies might not be as known as Asus, the 768MB card is a more cut down card, so the scores will be lower.
February 19, 2011 8:11:21 AM

Yea i know the specs. but in real life to a budget build which is better. For a same price, I dont care bout benchs but for playin popular games mafia2,just cause2 all nfs series, gta, fifa and so on.

There are asus gtx460 768mb and sparkle,club3d. In games is it really worth buying cheap 1gb? It wont burn if I'll play games at high for a 4-6hrs?

What about new games,like shift2. Is there any possibility that it may req 1gb video ram?

I'm asking bout everyday gaming performance,not bout specs and benches :)  because gtx465 performs better than gtx460 768mb,but in cost of heat and power. So what about those asus768mb or club3d/sparkle 1gb?
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 19, 2011 9:31:03 AM

It will depend on the resolution. 768MB isn't a horrible number, but some games at 1680x1050 will have issues. If your gaming on your 720P LCD however you'd be fine with it. If you can afford the 1GB non SE edition I'd get it. If however you'll have to sacrifice other things to get it, don't. The 768MB version isn't that bad, and still quite powerful.
February 19, 2011 9:59:48 AM

you see, those gtx460 which i've mentioned ISN'T SE, it's just cheap manufacturer cards. Sparkle and club3d.

Here u r http://www.fortakas.lt/Vaizdo_plokstes_(VGA)/Sparkle/VGA_1GB_GDDR5_PCIE16_GTX460/SX/SXX4601024D5SNM/CatalogStoreDetail.aspx?CatID=PL_233&ID=352275
It's not SE,or is it?
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 19, 2011 10:01:19 AM

Right. Which means the bundle will be light and the warranty next to nothing. 1-2Yrs at best. Nothing to worry about. If you had a 5yr warranty and it died 4.5yrs from now, would you want a 4.5yo card? I wouldn't.
February 19, 2011 10:24:12 AM

I didn't get what u mean? U say that sparkle will die after 1-2years? But if I'll get 4-5 year warranty then I should buy it?

Or u said that even if it will die after 4 years it wont be a big loss because in that time that vga will become useless in gaming?

http://www.sparkle.com.tw/product_detail.asp?id=111&sub... looks nice to me
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 19, 2011 10:54:12 AM

Quote:
Or u said that even if it will die after 4 years it wont be a big loss because in that time that vga will become useless in gaming?


Bingo. Who wants a 4yr video card? If/when it dies you just go get a new one. Sure it sucks, but thats progress.
February 19, 2011 11:02:18 AM

I know, it says that it's a 3yr warranty there where I'm buyin it,but it's a non-reference version. What's about that? Performance is the same? How does it look?
a b U Graphics card
February 19, 2011 12:05:51 PM

Probably better cooling or just a design thing. If you want performance buy a 1gb version, if you want cheaper buy a 768mb version. Write on Google the name of the card and add review near it and click search. Even more check on newegg.com because they might have it there and lots of people write reviews there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 19, 2011 2:34:41 PM

u see, gtx460 was reference, and then became non-reference and code hasn't changed. As sparkle gtx460 1gb costs 15-20$ less than palit or other manufacturer it's strange for me. Sparklegtx460 1gb even costs the same as asus or msi 768mb.
a c 177 U Graphics card
February 19, 2011 9:36:27 PM

Why is it strange? 768MB chips cost less then the 1GB chips. But if you're going to include a nice package and a long warranty, the cost to the consumer for a 768MB chip will now be higher. I thought I mentioned this last post, whats hard to understand.
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