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February 18, 2011 12:23:35 AM

Hey guys I need a graphics card. Right now I have onboard graphics and it has served it's purpose until now. I'm trying to get into the new game "Rift" and the graphics are just too much for onboard graphics so I need a graphics card.
I know how to install it, but no clue on how to pick one out. It doesn't have to run every game max detail but I just want to play without lagging with decent fps.
I'm looking for something not that expensive, again, not state of the art just something that would allow me to play.

Right now I have "Bestec ATX-250-12Z" PSU, I know 250w is not great, but I'm looking for a card could be done on this PSU because not planning on replacing that.

Is there such a decent card that would make me not lag even on lowest detail, and also be good for 250w PSU?

Any help would be appreciated :D 


//Edit

Also, what's the difference between PCI Express x1 and PCI Express x16? My motherboard supports 2 X1's and 1 X16, so I'm guessing the X16 is better?
I don't really know which is better.

//Edit 2

I don't know what I'm doing really, but I'm looking for things on Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

^^ PSU If I really needed to get one cause saw that 250W isn't going to do anything.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

^^ Looking at this graphics card. Again I have no clue what I'm doing I'm just trying :(  lol.
Any tips are appreciated :D 

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February 18, 2011 1:23:39 AM

HostileDonut said:
That card will not be good for gaming. You will want something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... The x16 gives full bandwidth, but the 1//16 full bandwidth. go for x16 slot.


As I said I'm completely new to this, so I don't understand what all the things in the name mean. Like DDR5? Do I have to be looking for something compatible to this or is it a standalone thing? Like does it matter if I have DDR2 Ram or are they completely different?

Another thing, the PCI Express 2.0 x16? Is the "2.0" compatible with normal x16 slot? Or is there no difference again.

Lastly, is the PSU I looked at good enough? Do I have to worry about any compatibility issues with that?
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 2:34:43 AM

Yeah, everyone starts somewhere, and I know they need help. You might here the term "DDR, DDR2, and DDR3" for you regular RAM on your mobo, but GPUs also have RAM. By the way, DDR means "Double Data Rate". When you have a higher GDDR (Graphics Double Data Rate) such as GDDR5, it travels twice as fast as GDDR3. Do not get a GDDR2 card, as they are slow and will not perform very well. GDDR is how fast it travels. Say your Effective Memory Speed is 1000Mhz, GDDR3 will have a x2 multiplier, and GDDR5 will have a x4 multiplier. (GDDR2 and GDDR4 have a x2 multiplier too) You can put any PCI-E cards in any PCI-E slot. Just sometimes people get problems putting PCI-E 2.1 cards in PCI-E 1.x slots. Your PSU would be more than enough for a hd5670 1gb GDDR5. If you want to play at lower resolution, an hd5670 would serve your that purpose very well. You could probably even get away with medium settings.

P.S. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I had a lot of school to get done. :lol: 
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February 18, 2011 2:40:37 AM

HostileDonut said:
Yeah, everyone starts somewhere, and I know they need help. You might here the term "DDR, DDR2, and DDR3" for you regular RAM on your mobo, but GPUs also have RAM. By the way, DDR means "Double Data Rate". When you have a higher GDDR (Graphics Double Data Rate) such as GDDR5, it travels twice as fast as GDDR3. Do not get a GDDR2 card, as they are slow and will not perform very well. GDDR is how fast it travels. Say your Effective Memory Speed is 1000Mhz, GDDR3 will have a x2 multiplier, and GDDR5 will have a x4 multiplier. (GDDR2 and GDDR4 have a x2 multiplier too) You can put any PCI-E cards in any PCI-E slot. Just sometimes people get problems putting PCI-E 2.1 cards in PCI-E 1.x slots. Your PSU would be more than enough for a hd5670 1gb GDDR5. If you want to play at lower resolution, an hd5670 would serve your that purpose very well. You could probably even get away with medium settings.

P.S. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I had a lot of school to get done. :lol: 



Thank you very much :D 

Just lastly to get everything straight:

- The fact that I have DDR2 ram doesn't affect the fact that I can have a DDR5 card
- The fact that the card is 2.0 PCI E x16 doesn't matter it's still compatible with a PCI Express x16 port
- The card will be compatible with the mother board as long as there is a PCI Express x16 slot

I think I am getting this correct lol.

This doesn't belong in the graphics but is on this topic, the PSU that I have found should be compatible with anything?

Thank you very much again you have been an enormous amount of help :D 
Will be purchasing this tomorrow.
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 2:49:37 AM

Yup, DDR2 and GDDR5 will work together, yes it is compatible, and yes it will be compatible with your MoBo. From the Newegg reviews people say it has PCI-E connectors, so it should work just fine. It is also SLI and CF ready, so it should have them. I hope it all works out great for you! ;) 
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February 18, 2011 2:51:56 AM

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a c 175 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 2:52:18 AM

What resolution are you playing at? The 5670 is an ok card, but its power draw can still be high enough to cause issues for lower end 250W units. You might want to go down to the 5570 which takes much less power. If you're at or around 1440x900 you should be ok.

Edit: I didn't see that you picked a new PSU. With that PSU you can go as high as your budget and case allow. More powerful cards are bigger in size so they don't fit in smaller cases. If you can afford it get the 5750 or 5770. Much better gaming cards.
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 2:56:30 AM

4745454b said:
What resolution are you playing at? The 5670 is an ok card, but its power draw can still be high enough to cause issues for lower end 250W units. You might want to go down to the 5570 which takes much less power. If you're at or around 1440x900 you should be ok.

Edit: I didn't see that you picked a new PSU. With that PSU you can go as high as your budget and case allow. More powerful cards are bigger in size so they don't fit in smaller cases. If you can afford it get the 5750 or 5770. Much better gaming cards.

He is getting a 600w watt PSU, so I am sure he will be fine.
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 2:57:16 AM

Oh sorry, I posted that when you didn't have it edited. :whistle: 
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February 18, 2011 3:39:19 AM

One more seriously final question :D 
I asked someone else about the PSU and Card, and they said that I should get a card that exhausts out of the back because my computer will probably have heating problems.

I have the HP Pavilion p6557c
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02...

Should I worry about this or no?
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 3:48:37 AM

Well, that card will not let out much heat. I wouldn't worry about it. Your case is not very ventilated, but normally you should keep your GPU under 100 C and you should be fine. I would keep it under 90 C if I were you though. If you are worried, this would be good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 18, 2011 3:52:33 AM

HostileDonut said:
Well, that card will not let out much heat. I wouldn't worry about it. Your case is not very ventilated, but normally you should keep your GPU under 100 C and you should be fine. I would keep it under 90 C if I were you though. If you are worried, this would be good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That's the thing, I don't know if I 'should' be worried lol. Having never had a graphics card I don't really know how much heat it generates, and I don't really know how I can control the temperature of my GPU lol.

He suggested this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Which was a little above my budget, but he said I'd have no problems.

I just don't want to mess up and figure out a week later that the performance boost really fries my computer lol.
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 3:58:06 AM

You wouldn't get all the performance out of that card due to your CPU. (the bottleneck effect) My GPU hits 80 C under load, yours is a much lower end GPU than mine, which means you will probably hit 60 C max. How about this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Great cooler and will probably let you play games @ high settings.
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February 18, 2011 4:01:47 AM

HostileDonut said:
You wouldn't get all the performance out of that card due to your CPU. (the bottleneck effect) My GPU hits 80 C under load, yours is a much lower end GPU than mine, which means you will probably hit 60 C max. How about this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Great cooler and will probably let you play games @ high settings.


So if I got the 5670 I should be fine with the temperature and performance? I don't need to max crysis or anything, just need to be able to play on whatever settings with a decent fps. So pretty much anything better than a 6150 on-board haha :D 
As long as it doesn't fry my computer I'd go for the cheapest one.
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February 18, 2011 4:09:42 AM

HostileDonut said:
Yes, you should be fine with a hd5670. This one might be really good two, I have heard great things about the ICEQ design and almost bought one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


This one looks great, I'm guessing double the performance than the previous one?

But you also said that sometimes 2.1 don't work with 1.0 x16 connectors? If this one is fully compatible then I'm definitely getting this.
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February 18, 2011 4:22:33 AM

HostileDonut said:
It won't give you double performance, just less heat. It is the same chip inside. Yeah, maybe you want a 2.0 card. Thank you for letting me know of my mistake. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... There is a 2.0 hd5760, but I would get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... That is double performance and has a great cooler.



The second one you posted is another 2.1 lol, I guess I'll get the hd5670
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 4:26:56 AM

Ohhhhh..... Myyyyyyyy...... Goooooossssshhhhh.... WHY MUST I FAIL AND RECOMMEND 2.1 CARDS?????!!!!!!!! WHY DO I HAVE THAT CURSE!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, hd5670 it is.
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 4:30:23 AM

I am out for the night, if you have any more questions I will try to answer them in the morning. I am leaving to go on a camping trip, and then go to he capital, I might not be able to get back to you before next Thursday. I hope you have fun with the new GPU! ;) 
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February 18, 2011 4:30:28 AM

HostileDonut said:
Ohhhhh..... Myyyyyyyy...... Goooooossssshhhhh.... WHY MUST I FAIL AND RECOMMEND 2.1 CARDS?????!!!!!!!! WHY DO I HAVE THAT CURSE!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, hd5670 it is.


Thank you very much, again :D 
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a b U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 3:14:50 PM

No problem. ;) 
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a c 175 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 3:51:11 PM

Seeing as I did the search already, here are some 2.0 cards (according to newegg search results.)

Cheapest 5670, 512MB though and a rebate. $67 counting MIR + shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cheapest 5670 with no rebate, still 512MB. $73.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cheapest 5670 with 1GB. $87 counting shipping and rebates.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cheapest 5750 or 5770. This 5770 is $110 counting rebate and shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Similar 5770 but with a better warranty and not with the same model open box sitting next to it int eh search results. XFX with a double warranty, $112 counting ship + MIR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Finally, cheapest 5770 without a rebate. $144 shipped.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So, you can get a 1GB 5670 for $87, or pony up anther $23 and move up to the 5770. You have rebates either way. Yes there will be "some" bottlenecking from the CPU, but he'll have a better card to move into his new machine when he decides to build that. My guess is not long after he gets a taste of real gaming.
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a c 272 U Graphics card
February 18, 2011 4:54:23 PM

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