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February 21, 2011 9:15:44 AM

I found both of these cards at about the same price.
On benchmarks, the 6950 seems to do better but I plan to OC both of the cards.
The only comparison of 560ti OCd vs 6950 OCd was when the 560ti was at 930mhz when I have seen people go at 1GHz with the 560ti (even the reviewer said so himself)
So which one will give me better performance at heavy games like GTAiv, crysis, crysis 2 and etc etc.
Keep in mind that I will OC both of these cards to the max.

560ti
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Card...

6950
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Card...

EDIT: This is for a bran new build btw.
I am planning to use this with a AMD phenom x4 955 OCd to about 3.8GHz .
And run the games at 1920x1080

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February 21, 2011 10:46:59 AM

hd 6950 will surely outperform 560 ti in every benchmark.and yes 6950 is way to go as you can unlock it into a 6970.
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 10:48:42 AM

yeah i would choose the HD6950 too, really good bang for buck and as already said, it unlocks to a 6970 easily.
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February 21, 2011 10:51:44 AM

and in future if you needed more.you could have its xfire which is simply awesome.just get hd 6950,you wont regret.
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 11:28:44 AM

guru3d is reliable IMO but i heard that the 560 SOC was just a paper launch so it might take some time before it comes in stock
February 21, 2011 11:42:53 AM

Ah ok, but either way, I know the 6950 is better than 560ti at stock clock but from what i heard the 560ti over-clocks really nicely to the performance of the 570 while the 6950 is a poor overclocker (from what i heard).
Also the 560ti seems to run cooler and quieter.
So which one would be better after ocing?
February 21, 2011 12:10:00 PM

did you oc the card?
and which brand do you have?
February 21, 2011 12:19:13 PM

What temp does the card go up to with load?
Are there any negatives/drawbacks to it?
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 12:52:51 PM

I went with the GTX 560 myself. But then I am biased towards Nvidia. Despite AMD/ATI drivers being far better than they used to be, the updates still always seem to give me at least one failed download.
But ultimately, my reason for Nvidia is because they tend to get better support from games - for me in particular, I play Rift and AMD cards seem to be lagging badly in performance despite the quality of the cards, and while this will be fixed, it takes time and this is not an isolated incident. Nvidia grease some palms and so developers tend to make sure Nvidia cards pretty much always run well from release while AMD have to play catch up.
February 21, 2011 1:00:41 PM

I will probably go for the 560ti, better performance then 6950 when oced and runs cooler.
My cpu of choice will be the 955. I also plan to oc this. Will this card work well with the cpu or will the gpu get bottlenecked?
Thanks for the help guys :) 
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 1:03:11 PM

It will run fine.
My only question is:
Are you getting a board that supports 2 card set ups? If so, unless you get an Nvidia chipset board then it means you can only multicard with AMDs as SLI is not an option. If this is the case you would be better off going with AMD 6950.

If only planning on ever using one card then it is a non issue
February 21, 2011 1:11:00 PM

I am not planning on sli or crossfire in the next couple of years.
And when I do that i will probably upgrade everything so it will be a non-issue.
Does anyone know how well the 6950 OCs?
I also heard some people hard artifacts to appear after unlocking it to a 6970 and they remained even after switching back to the original bios.
Is this true?
And sorry for all the questions guys. I just want to make sure I am spending my money well as this is my first time build .
February 21, 2011 1:26:33 PM

Thanks
The GTX560ti loses out in crysis even though crysis is meant to favor nvidia?
Whats that about?
But i think a mild oc will take care of that.
February 21, 2011 2:03:15 PM

Thanks for your help :) 
Unless someone has something else to say,560ti it is.
btw,anyone got any idea how well this will perform in crysis 2?
February 21, 2011 2:32:35 PM

Thanks,560ti is one of nvidias top end cards, so will I be right in saying that I should expect crysis running smoothly on max/near max settings?
That video was dx9, so dx11 will run worse?
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 2:34:00 PM

given the choice stricktly for gaming i'd probably go with the 2 gig 6950 as you cna suually unlock it to a 6970 in the 2 gig vertion , and in some titles the memory will be useful

now for a computer as a whole as i need cuda (i do alot of photoshop work) so i'd go 560... but if you only need gaming 6950 is a more powerful card esp if you use the unlock tool . (of coarse also if you plan to do folding at home 560 there too :D  folding is good help the world on your computer's offtime)
February 21, 2011 2:39:07 PM

Better as in more FPS on directx11?
or were you being sarcastic lol?
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 3:19:11 PM

Quote:
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calm down g00fy....



me :p  i'm always calm just giving my opinion on the matter, i liek the idea of a 6950 and unlockign to a 6970 and the performance after is pretty impressive.. but i've got my 2x gts 450's in sli for cuda and i love em really for his resolution and titles listed either card will make him happy. just think the 2 gigs give a little mroe room for growh (assuming he's gonna keep the same card for a few years, if he plans to keep it 12-18 months then eiter will still be fine at that point)

and the last part was trying to get more people into folding , cause folding is good for everybody :D 
February 21, 2011 4:27:09 PM

OP, too bad, ebuyer was doing a deal with the 560 ti only last week (when I bought my 560) for £195...

Although the 560 is a good card, has good temps, runs cooler and requires slightly less to run than the 6950, I'd go with the 6950 if I were you.

This is because your resolution is at 1920x1080 so you'll appreciate the large VRAM 6950 offers compared to the 1gb version 560Ti as VRAM size matters a lot in large res. Ofc there are reviews on the internet that suggests the 560 to outperform the 6950, but these reviews aren't perfect, and I wouldn't place 560 to be a superior card in terms of graphical performance compared to the 560.

While both cards can be oc'ed, don't expect the 6950 to draw out performance equal to the 6970. Reason why the card is locked at 6950 is because it is usually the case that there are some faulty bits in the card that causes problems at 6970 level performance (I remember the time when I bought a Piix2 550 in the hope of unlocking it, but failed...), I'm not a big fan of Oc'ing GPUs.

With regards to new games, I've tried the crysis 2 beta on my rig with the same setup you are planning (560ti with X4 955), on 1280x1024 res, maxed out on dx9, runs butter smooth and I've seen on youtube etc that on higher res runs pretty smooth as well (the beta is capped at 62.5 fps) so you won't have problems running the most recent games for at least a year or two on both cards, and given the FPS gains are very limited comparing these two cards, it's really upto your preference on brands.

February 21, 2011 4:33:56 PM

"While both cards can be oc'ed, don't expect the 6950 to draw out performance equal to the 6970"
Thats my main concern, I have seen many 560s to match/exceed the performance of the 570 which costs £60-80 more while remaining at cool temperatures.
I am also planning on putting the 1080p monitor on my family rig so i might get a 1650x1050 montitor so the 2G of ram wont make a difference.
And is your 955 OCd? And whats the performance like on other games?
a c 646 U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 4:34:13 PM

There is no benefit to 2GB of memory vs. 1 GB of memory, particularly at 1080P. All the reviews of the 6950 1GB confirm that.
a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 4:41:41 PM

currently yes 1 gig at 1080 p is all you need, i more was looking to 2-3 years down the road when we step up to a higher resolution, also if he ever does a multi monitor setup then it might come in handy. really it boils down to how long he plans to keep the card going, also he jsut noted hemight change over to a 1650x1050 monitor makign the 2 gigs go from a very small almost insignifigant gait to a completely inisgnifigant factor (at that res) but such is life tech always changes and goes up, i rember thinking my old diamond viper card with its whopping 8 megs of ram was complete overkill and i'd never be able to utilise it ;) 
a c 646 U Graphics card
February 21, 2011 4:50:30 PM

There are just too many negatives associated with AMD these days, from a lack of PhysX, to poor driver support, to poor 3D vision options, etc. They don't even have the power consumption advantage these days, and heat and noise are definitely less attractive factors vs. the GTX 500 series. Add in the fact that AMD the company is in the process of being sold, and it feels like a sinking ship.
February 21, 2011 5:06:19 PM

^^
Hmmm I wonder what will happen to the prices of amd cpus if amd goes bust.
And if amd goes bust, then we will all happily pay £3500 for 2ghz core 2 duo.......
February 21, 2011 5:08:47 PM

It better not do, because the only thing which causes intel to have "low" prices is AMD.
Note: I am not an AMD fanboi, I am neutral to AMD/Intel/ATI(now amd) and nvidia
But now I am thinking, there must be a reason Intel is a monopoly and intel isnt.
If i spent a few more £££ and pushed my budget eve more (£600)
Will i notice a REAL increase with a cpu like the i5-760 or i5-2400.
I am talking 10-20 fps.
February 21, 2011 5:45:35 PM

but still, if would i see a performance increase in games and in general stuff that justifies the price difference (not just benchmarks) if I was to go i5-760 +560ti instead of the 955BE + 560ti.
February 21, 2011 5:55:02 PM

Yeah but 2500k is £60(+ the cost of the more espenvie mobo) than the 955BE .
Unless I cut down something else this will blow my very tight budget. But if its worth it I might go budget if it is REALLY worth it.
the 2500k wins in most benchmarks, but how does this compare to real life.
EDIT: ok after looking at the benchmarks the 2500k is a lot faster in some cases
the 2500k also OCs a lot better.
Now i have some thinking to do lol
February 21, 2011 6:08:39 PM

Thats a good philosophy , its just that this is my first build and I want something that will last me for the next couple of years.
February 21, 2011 6:13:20 PM

I am now considering waiting for bulldozer.
Custombuilding is a lot harder than I first thought lol.
Extra £5 here and there, and then suddenly you are out of your budget by £300 lol....
February 21, 2011 6:22:18 PM

Thats the problem, and it wont be am3 compatible so if i bought cheap am3 cpu now I will need a new mobo later on :( .
Whats a good i5-2500k mobo? Considering I want to overclock.
I will probably get the i5, an extra £60 wont kill me and it OCs like a dream.
EDIT: the 955 won some of the benchmarks, whats that about since SB is clearly better...
And if i was to OC the 955 to lets say 4ghz, will it match the 2500k?
February 22, 2011 5:18:52 AM

Quote:
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apparently haven't read all the benchmarks and speaks more of personal experience..

Read all the benchmarks? Y
The benchmarks you've posted here are all from the same friggin site.

Take a look at the review here:
http://www.techspot.com/review/359-nvidia-geforce-gtx-5...

in that you can see that 6950 is a WIN.
Ofc there are other sites that will have 560ti benchmarks outperforming the 6950 and I understand that. You can't base your view on whether one card is better than the other based on a single review, you need to do a lot more research on cards yourself.

Ultimately people who come to the forum asking questions like these are looking for answers based on experience, if they want to know which card is better then they would google graphic card reviews and decide for themselves.

February 22, 2011 5:31:53 AM

romanrp said:
"While both cards can be oc'ed, don't expect the 6950 to draw out performance equal to the 6970"
Thats my main concern, I have seen many 560s to match/exceed the performance of the 570 which costs £60-80 more while remaining at cool temperatures.
I am also planning on putting the 1080p monitor on my family rig so i might get a 1650x1050 montitor so the 2G of ram wont make a difference.
And is your 955 OCd? And whats the performance like on other games?


Do bear in mind that the 570 can be OC'ed as well if you want to, in which case I'm quite sure it'll beat the 560 OC'ed. Having said that performance boost between 560 OC and 570 is marginal at stock. I just want you to know that just because you got a good OC'able card like 560 or 6950, doesn't mean you'll be able to beat the class above it. They are cheaper for a reason.
Ill be honest with you, you don't have to OC with the setup with any games out so far :)  although, remember my resolution is 1280x1024 so requirements are substantially lower. I'm not an enthusiastic OC'er so I don't OC (when I do) more than 200mhz. Usually when I play games I play at stock.

The only exception would be the new COD because that game is poorly coded, regardless of the class of GPU you'll experience hikes in that game.
February 22, 2011 5:38:26 AM

romanrp said:
Thats the problem, and it wont be am3 compatible so if i bought cheap am3 cpu now I will need a new mobo later on :( .
Whats a good i5-2500k mobo? Considering I want to overclock.
I will probably get the i5, an extra £60 wont kill me and it OCs like a dream.
EDIT: the 955 won some of the benchmarks, whats that about since SB is clearly better...
And if i was to OC the 955 to lets say 4ghz, will it match the 2500k?


I'd wait for the new intel series, although very tempting:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20030936-1.html

I think it's too much of a risk, and if you are planning to install more HDDs in the future then you should wait until the problem's been fixed.
February 22, 2011 8:55:40 AM

"Take a look at the review here:
http://www.techspot.com/review/359-nvidia-geforce-gtx-5... "
Now that made things a lot more difficult, the 2gs of ram seems to be doing its job.
But look at the performance of the 570, the 560ti can potentially match the performance of it and it beats the 6950.
Does/DId anyone own/used both cards (preferably with the same cpu) who can help?
February 22, 2011 10:35:18 AM

romanrp said:
"Take a look at the review here:
http://www.techspot.com/review/359-nvidia-geforce-gtx-5... "
Now that made things a lot more difficult, the 2gs of ram seems to be doing its job.
But look at the performance of the 570, the 560ti can potentially match the performance of it and it beats the 6950.
Does/DId anyone own/used both cards (preferably with the same cpu) who can help?


You need to remember that both the 560 ti and 6950 are OC'able, and I'm certain that while there will be games out there which the 560 is superior due to the way it is programmed, but raw graphics power of 560Ti OCvs 6950 OC, the 6950 OC is a win.
a b U Graphics card
February 22, 2011 11:04:31 AM

Given the superiority of the Intel i5 2500K for just £60 more than AMD, unless going on a real tight budget (think RANA 450 CPU) then it is worth finding the extra cash to get the i5 2500k. Atm AMD are out of the game, their 955 lost to the i5 750, and now the i5 2500k trumps even that for the same kind of price.

As for cards, don't stress yourself out over this, you really are not going to go wrong with either the 560 or the 6950 - they are similar price for a reason. Each card will win some and lose some.

Due to similarity in quality I bought the GTX 560 because I prefer Nvidia, as mentioned before I just find their drivers reliable and they are well supported in games. However, if I were an AMD fan I would have gone with the 6950. If you don't care at all you could just flip a coin :) 

Sadly forums won't give much help - benchmarks clearly show each winning, and forum opinions will always be based on peoples own bias towards the cards.
The best way to choose is probably to decide the kind of games you tend to play and see benchmarks of the cards on those games, if lucky there is a clear winner for you.
February 22, 2011 11:23:52 AM

Those are all valid points and looking at benchmarks its hard to decide.
Pros of 560ti
Is meant to overclock better
Runs cooler
a bit cheaper
physx
looks cooler lol
if i go with i5 then i can sli it

cons of 560ti
is slower at stock speed than 6950
only 1g of ram

Pros of 6950
is faster at stock
if i go with amd then i could crossfire
could unlock but i dont want to do that

cons of 6950
never had an ati card so i dont know what their drivers are like
a bit more expensive
doesnt oc as well
no physx

Are these reasonable pros and cons?
Because if yes then the 560ti wins since benchmarks arent everything.
February 22, 2011 11:41:02 AM

So 560ti it is then.
Would it it a good decision to go for the msi one?
Thanks for the help everyone :D .
February 22, 2011 11:55:03 AM

So MSI 560ti it is then :D .
Thanks for the help guys!
a c 130 U Graphics card
February 22, 2011 11:58:57 AM

romanrp said:
Thats the problem, and it wont be am3 compatible so if i bought cheap am3 cpu now I will need a new mobo later on :( .
Whats a good i5-2500k mobo? Considering I want to overclock.
I will probably get the i5, an extra £60 wont kill me and it OCs like a dream.
EDIT: the 955 won some of the benchmarks, whats that about since SB is clearly better...
And if i was to OC the 955 to lets say 4ghz, will it match the 2500k?



I was just scanning so sorry if it got picked up already but you do know that the AM3 CPU will go into the AM3+ Motherboard dont you ?
This gives the option of buying a decent AM3 CPU now and just changing over the Mobo when a decent one gets here, then when prices have stabilised or even fingers crossed gone down a bit you can swap out the AM3 CPU for a fully fledge Bulldozer.
Probably a bit too much faffing about for some but i just wanted to be check the option was known about.

Mactronix :) 
February 22, 2011 12:16:23 PM

I was thinking of doing that but havent found any am3+ motherboards on sale.
I think the smart thing to do will be to buy 1 or 2 things ever week (like the hdd and case) and leave the mobo + cpu till last so hopefully bulldozer will be out by then or reviews and prices will be out and/or the prices of the current amd cpus will go down and/or/maybe intel prices will go down to compete will bulldozer.
A lot of gambling lol.
a c 130 U Graphics card
February 22, 2011 12:40:18 PM

I know what you mean you talk yourself round in so many circles you forget what you had planned to do in the first place.
I have pretty much used this aproach for a while now, always looking for the overlap.

Mactronix :) 
February 22, 2011 9:03:30 PM

romanrp said:
Those are all valid points and looking at benchmarks its hard to decide.
Pros of 560ti
Is meant to overclock better
Runs cooler
a bit cheaper
physx
looks cooler lol
if i go with i5 then i can sli it

cons of 560ti
is slower at stock speed than 6950
only 1g of ram

Pros of 6950
is faster at stock
if i go with amd then i could crossfire
could unlock but i dont want to do that

cons of 6950
never had an ati card so i dont know what their drivers are like
a bit more expensive
doesnt oc as well
no physx

Are these reasonable pros and cons?
Because if yes then the 560ti wins since benchmarks arent everything.


Pretty much covered everything, but why is it that you can sli when in i5? can't you xfire as well?
a c 646 U Graphics card
February 22, 2011 9:36:12 PM

romanrp said:

Pros of 560ti
Is meant to overclock better
Runs cooler
a bit cheaper
physx
looks cooler lol
if i go with i5 then i can sli it

cons of 560ti
is slower at stock speed than 6950
only 1g of ram

Pros of 6950
is faster at stock
if i go with amd then i could crossfire
could unlock but i dont want to do that

cons of 6950
never had an ati card so i dont know what their drivers are like
a bit more expensive
doesnt oc as well
no physx

Are these reasonable pros and cons?

The only comment I have with these conclusions are in bold and basically, the stock version of the GTX560 at 822mhz is pretty much non-existent. 90% of the GTX560's that you will likely be choosing from are clocked significantly higher, many at 900mhz or above. Like this Zotac GTX560 AMP! card:

February 25, 2011 6:53:28 PM

Malmental, No i havent played any physx games .
And I never heard of ebuyer lol, whats the service like?
I am now planning to buy the stuff from novatech, as its close by so I will save on shipping fees and not risk losing my stuff.
And the Zotac card is clocked at 850MHz and it performs well.
Now imagine what the 880Mhz msi will do or the 900mhz gigabyte could do.
Or a home ocd 1ghz version.
February 26, 2011 1:58:40 AM

I don't think saying hd 6950 runs hotter is fair at all. It uses less power and produce less heat and there are SO MANY non-reference cooling designs being sold. It just like how half the 560's are pre-OC'd, it doesn't make sense to compare to stock clocks. Over half of the 560's are non-reference cooled too. Temperature charts are bogus. Only good reference coolers are on 460's and 560's. I never buy reference cooler cards, ever. msi cyclone all the way.


EDIT: hd 6950 does use more power than stock 560. Regardless, my statement about heat charts still stands. The cheapest 6950 is top down like 560 reference, I bet it cools very well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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