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April 27, 2011 7:35:26 PM

My wife was going to get me a setup from her computer guy at work, and this is what he came back with as an updated estimate over the one he had given us a few months ago.

I see the video card as the gtx 460, and that strikes a bell from another thread of mine. Is there a better, faster, cooler running version that we should be looking at? And is this setup going to run cool enough to be on running for 15 hours straight or what not?

He says this 'new' i-5 runs faster than the old i-7, and I remember the discussion about overclocking, which we probably will NOT be doing, so is this overkill, or is it nice enough that we just get it and run with it?

I would like all opinions, and advice... I am terrible at computer building and would love all the help I can get before I drop the cash on this just trusting one opinion. I'm a 'second opinion' type of person:) 

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Intel® DH67GDB3 i3/i5/i7, Motherboard
INTEL Core i5 2500K Quad Core 3.3GHz 6MB LGA1155 CPU
Corsair H60 CPU Liquid Cooling (775,1155,1156,1366,AM2,AM3)
CoolerMaster Mid Tower Case
2 - Kingston DDR3 1333MHz MEMORY-4GB - Lifetime Warranty
EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 460 PCI-E 1GB (2-DVI/H) Video
Western Digital 500GB RAID Edition 16MB 7200 RPM SATA 2 Hard Drive
Kingston 96GB SNV425 SSDNow Series 2.5" SATA Connector Drive
Microsoft Keyboard & Optical mouse Desktop USB - Black
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/64Bit Media
INTEGRATED Intel Gigabit Lan
INTEGRATED SOUND
LiteOn DVDRW SATA 24x+/-, 8x+/-RW, 12x+/-R 16x48x24x48 Black
Seasonic 80Plus 500Watt Power Supply

All new systems covered for three years from date of our Nor-Tech invoice.
Shipping charges may apply. All labor for replacement of defective parts is covered for one year
from the date of your Computer Guy invoice

$1440
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Thanks for looking.

~Chris

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April 27, 2011 7:55:10 PM

yes the "new" i5 is faster and cheaper then the "old" i7,
also the CPU liquid cooling is usless if you don't plan to overclock, just use the stock fan.
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April 27, 2011 8:32:20 PM



Ok, so what if we don't 'plan' to overclock, but I really get into this thing, and we end up doing it anyways. Is it worth its value that we might as well keep it on, or completely not worth it.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 27, 2011 9:12:07 PM

For HSF: Hyper 212+ for about $45 will cover a mild to medium OC on the I5-2500K

SSD - I think that is one of the lower end ones. I would look for a 120 Gig Sata III SSD and pair it with a single WD black 1 tB drive.

GPU - This really depends on what games you want to play.
Here is a link that you can look @. I picked Crysis, but other games and expected Frame rate are shown.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/21

Approx cost of parts from newegg $1100 +/- 50 (ballbark estimated did not really itemize. This is for UPGRADED SSD & w/Hyper 212+ HSF

Added: On HSF - Even if you do not overclock get the Hyper 212+ - The stock HSF SUCKS you do not need the H70 water cooler. If you want a Better Air cooler, get the Zalman 9900Max - Does a great job (not the Best) But does look good.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 27, 2011 9:20:24 PM

hes giving you a h67 board instead of a p67 board, which will prevent you from overclocking (for the most part). This makes the extra money you pay for the "K" useless, and makes the liquid cooler pretty useless as well. It seems his updated build has a downgraded graphics card (i believe it was a gtx470 last time), and a cheaper processor (although faster). He has added in a SSD ($170, and not one id recommend).


Again, i dont think its terrible deal, but dont think this guy (or i guess nor-tech) is doing you any favors. If i were your wife's computer guy, id be perfectly happy to discuss parts with you, thats the point of having a custom built computer (you can get a better prebuilt computer +better ssd for about the same price, but only 1 yr parts/labor).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

anyways, I think you can get a better deal from cyberpowerpc, but i have no idea how their quality or customer service is, or if in the long run youll end up with a better or worse overall experience (theres a cyberpower section of this forum, so you may want to check it out). That is really what you have to think about in the long run, and alot of that depends on how miserable you are when your computer doesnt work, and how often your wife has to deal with this guy from work, and if he'll be offended if you dont take the offer. I also have no idea what the costs are like for a small computer company. Im sure it seriously hurts their profit margins when they have to make good on a warranty, so the quoted price really may be fair.

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a b B Homebuilt system
April 27, 2011 9:20:38 PM

Liquid cooling is a waste of money, IMO...

He should be able to assemble the rig around an Asus P8P67 mb for at least $400 less, I would think...
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 27, 2011 9:25:03 PM

For $999
Intel 2nd Gen Core i7 4.6GHZ Overclocked Barebone - ASUS P8P67 Pro B3 Mobo, Intel Core i7-2600K, 8GB DDR3 RAM, CoolerMaster HAF 922 Case, Ultra 750W PSU, CoolIT ECO Liquid Cooling, 4 Free Game Coupons

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite... GAME

You would still have to add GPU ($150) and does not look Like it comes with Operating system ???

And No I would not buy - Just an Example of what's out there.
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April 27, 2011 9:31:03 PM

It's Pretty comparable to a cyberpower after shipping.
genghiskron made a great catch as well make sure your getting a P67 if you are pairing it to a 2500K.
I know nothing about SSD's but I'd listen to these guys on it as well.
I'd say you are not getting ripped off but not a bargain either.
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April 27, 2011 9:39:23 PM

Cooling alos has alot to do with what case is used. It says CM Mid tower...that could be any of what 10-15 cases. So I would ask him what case he will use. If your not OCing the processor just get the 2500 i5 no need for the 2500k. Also just use the stock fan no need for extra fan if your not over clocking. If there is room and decent airflow in the case and your not over clocking this it should run just fine like that. AMD cards tend to run cooler so depending on the games you want to play and the size of the case if you think there would be heat issues you might consider a AMD card, that might also save you some cash as well. Seems to me with those changes he would be able to shave another $75-100 off the price with no performance impact what so ever :) .

If the parts are around $1100 on newegg $1400 is not to crazy of a mark up as long as your not paying extra for parts you dont need. And if this guy is at your wifes work what is the possible shipping cost for? Also if your not comfortable building this yourself a 3 year warantee that only covers labor for 1 year mine as well be a 1 year because if he is charging $50-75 per hour after 1 year to fix it that could add up, so I would ask him what the per hour rates are after one year.
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April 27, 2011 9:52:58 PM

Ok for gaming it is hard to beat the 2nd generation Intel® Core™ I5 2500K. I do have some questions/concerns on the original build. You have an H67 board in it, just so you know the H67 chipset will allow you to overclock the on-processor graphic but not the core clock speed of the processor. So if you are planning to overclock the processor you would want to go with a P67 board. Also you really don’t need a water cooling solution to overclock the Intel Core i5 2500K, heck I have heard of people hitting over 4GHz with the stock heatsink.
As far as SSD the reliability of the Intel SSD 320 is very hard to beat and it has very good performance.


Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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April 27, 2011 10:37:05 PM

ok.... here I'm going to show my computer knowledge.. what is an SSD, and why is one brand recommended over another. I could look online for what an SSD is, or does, but somebody here might as well just explain it quick, while you are educating me on what the brand difference will be:) 

Thanks a TON guys, this is great, I love the feedback, and learning these things.
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April 28, 2011 12:04:53 AM

JackoDaddy5 said:
ok.... here I'm going to show my computer knowledge.. what is an SSD, and why is one brand recommended over another. I could look online for what an SSD is, or does, but somebody here might as well just explain it quick, while you are educating me on what the brand difference will be:) 

Thanks a TON guys, this is great, I love the feedback, and learning these things.

SSD stands for solid state drive. So it has no moving parts like a hard drive does. These are much more expensive wile giving you much faster load/read/write times. These will not give you better performance wile doing things like playing games though they will give you shorter load times between levels. They will give you shorter boot times and programs will open faster and such but will not run any different wile open with th exception of saving files and such.

I personaly dont feel they are worth it but some people swear by them, for me they are way to expensive for something that will not directly effect perfomance.
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April 28, 2011 12:45:11 AM

I have to say everyone here seems to be giving good info BUT

The Big Question Is WHAT do you want to do with IT ??

If Gaming The 460 is a Joke
IF NOT Gaming the 460 Is WAY Overkill
Everyones right about the 2600k pointless getting the k series if you are not overclocking exspecily with the motherboard he has suggested

Personaly Id Go For
Asus or Gigabyte Board
AMD 1090t x6 cpu
any good brand 600w Powersupply corsair,huntkey,gigabyte ect
4Gigs DDr3 1600 gskil,corsair,ozc,ect
Hd 6870-6950 Overkill if your not gaming id drop the power supply to 500 and get a 5670 graphics card if thats the case
SSD a waste of time and money unless your building a extreame pc/ server/thin client setup
Go for a WD 2 terrabyte green instead or 2 of them
Haf 922 or 912 case
will work out cheeper and be more powerfull to boot
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April 28, 2011 3:36:29 AM

It will be mostly for gaming. WoW, Rift, Crysis, Elder Scrolls 5 when it comes out. The original estimate had the GTX 470. Is there a 500 series that is that much more worth it to pay that much extra for it? Or is the 470 going to be good enough?

So say I won't be doing any overclocking. I'm not comfortable with it, and don't know enough about it to run a system like that. I do need to keep some of the parts similar, since that is just what their company runs with. What would some of you suggest?

i5-2500, or do I go with the i5-2500k anyways, just because of cost and speed compared to something else?

What about this h67 vs p67?

gtx470 (or is there a better nvidia for comparable price, 500 something model?)

I suppose I need to check with him to make sure, but do you see that being 8gigs of ram, and not just 4? The 2 in front of it makes me think its 2 of those setups, which would be 8gigs.

What do we do if we don't need the SSD? Just scrap it, or is it something that we can really make use of in the future, or something that needs to replace it?

Do we scrap the liquid cooling altogether and go with whats there?

If any of you get really board, you could throw together a couple 'Estimate' looking posts like the one in my first post:)  That would give me something to look at as far as what all I would need together. I don't know when you say the SSD is useless if I have to replace it with something else, or if it is just a side piece, scrap the liquid cooling and... then what? Replace it with something else, or just scrap it?

I guess I see all these posts, and I can see the points individually, I just have trouble relating them together, and putting together my own setup using the information provided.

I do want to build a computer right the first time, and not have trouble with it later, good board, great graphics card, plenty of cooling, plenty of ram, practical components.

This is still fun for me, thanks guys, sorry if I'm 'that' guy right now haha.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 28, 2011 12:40:16 PM

H67 = Integrated IPG, No OC. P55 vs versa, No IGP but can OC
Z68 (comes out mid May (arround 11 May) = H67 + P67 capabilities.
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April 28, 2011 1:29:24 PM

IMO

GTX 470 > 460 * the 460 will play everything you are playing but the 470 is a little more future-proofed.

No overclocking = 2500 w/ h67 so you can at least boost your video encoding. That will make it more well rounded for entertainment purposes if you are not strait up gaming enthusiast and not willing to wait for the Z68 chip set.

for same reason ditch the SSD and WD 500gb. I'm going to guess you could Get a 1tb Caviar Black system drive and a 2tb green drive for your storage (I personally warehouse a lot of data between dvd rips and mp3s) for close to the same amount.

If he is not willing to get you a cheaper after market cooler just stay with the H60 as it can extend the life of the product (and it looks cool).

8 gigs of RAM is good

the rest is fine.

Based solely on what you are saying this is what I would go with but a lot of it is personal preference.
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April 28, 2011 1:52:03 PM

Liquid cooling is a pain becuase it needs to be changed every 6 or year like the tubing it also can lead up to a disaster if there is a leak and your pc is done, air cooling is much easy to build and easy to change or clean. The specs are great excpet for Liquid cooling and the video card I reccomend is a 650 watt psu and a ati 6850.
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April 28, 2011 2:35:35 PM

Ok, so me being clueless again... what does the h67 vs p67 vs z68chipset refer to? I'm going to put together a potential package and post it here just thinking what I'm getting out of this...
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April 28, 2011 2:37:19 PM

Dude, Research is the first thing you should do BEFORE building a computer. I built my first PC when I was 12 with NO help it could MAX out WoW and was like beast it had a geforce 6800 in it. It's junk bow plus we aren't the peaople who will tell you EVERYTHING about computers. Building a pc is good but at least research.
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April 28, 2011 2:47:50 PM

I'm researching here. You are more than welcome to not post, or not help if you don't like the questions I'm asking. Everybody is, but I prefer to research and ask people who know about the details and systems.

Sure I can learn on my own what each component does, but I like to know what works best with others based on these knowledgable people who have experienced it, or who know more about it than I.

I'm happy you could build your computer when you were 12, when I was 12, computers weren't part of households. I had a set of army men and hot wheels cars, and that's it.
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April 28, 2011 2:52:15 PM

A computer is easy to build don't pay attention to the chip set, Just learn to build it very easy. Private message me and I can teach you. Though I HIGHLY reccomend do NOT liquid cool it's a pain to instal and pain to change plus it can leak and your rig will never work.
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April 28, 2011 2:55:24 PM

Is there a SIGNIFICANT benefit to using the GTX 560 over the 470? If i go with the i5-2500, will that be plenty for the gtx560, or would it be better to go with the i5-2500k. Or just go with the i5-2500 and gtx470.

I've read about the z68 being like both the h67 and and p67 combined, allowing you to overclock the onboard graphics. Is that necessary for what I want to do with it? Do I just tell him to get a p67 because I won't make full use out of a z68?
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April 28, 2011 2:58:30 PM

I've taken that liquid cooling idea thing from a couple different people, and am all but over it. If it's just an added expense, and won't be needed for my setup, then I won't be getting it. I don't like the idea of having to change the tubes or leak. I'd add an extra fan if I needed it before the liquid.
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April 28, 2011 3:01:13 PM

I reccomend for air cooling you have a low tempature such as 60 degrees or next to a air condition vent. And overclocking a onboard video card it's just stupid a ati 6950 x2 is GREAT choice like 80X the performance of a overclocked onboard card. I doubt you could overclock the onboard card withough the thing exploding.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 28, 2011 3:08:27 PM

It's hilarious when a noob gets going
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April 28, 2011 3:11:41 PM

This "noob" built a computer at the age of 12 something not even a 20 year old could do. Pretty sure I know what i'm talking about I even know some pc erros such a 10016.
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April 28, 2011 3:50:35 PM

JackoDaddy5 said:
Is there a SIGNIFICANT benefit to using the GTX 560 over the 470? If i go with the i5-2500, will that be plenty for the gtx560, or would it be better to go with the i5-2500k. Or just go with the i5-2500 and gtx470.

I've read about the z68 being like both the h67 and and p67 combined, allowing you to overclock the onboard graphics. Is that necessary for what I want to do with it? Do I just tell him to get a p67 because I won't make full use out of a z68?

The main difference between the 2500 and 2500k is the k model has something called an unlocked multiplier. If you were going to overclock the CPU that would be very helpful. Because you will not be over clocking you can just get the 2500 and also save a bit of cash getting the mother bord with the h67 because you dont want to over clock anyway. I have no idea what this guy did to come up with these parts why he would give you a 2500k and the h67 I have no idea. It sounds like he is not even asking you what you plan to do or need for your build. If you would like to save a little money I would go with a AMD card. My 6950 was $265 after rebate Im sure he could find that and include it in your build. This card will take a dump on a 560 ti or a 460 and is very close to the 570 wile being a lot cheaper but the 560 ti is a good card, however you wont be maxing out crysis you will be able to play it on good setting though.
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April 28, 2011 5:14:54 PM

Ok, so..
i5-2500, that h67 board that is listed will be fine?

All his video cards listed are nvidia, he has to use nvidia for some reason, his contract supplier or something, but always has nvidia in his estimates. So then I guess is the 570 so much better than the 560ti that it is worth the price if I want a very graphically stable system?

Scrapped the liquid cooling, so will the fans that it comes with good enough for what I need?
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April 28, 2011 5:50:59 PM

JackoDaddy5 said:
Ok, so..
i5-2500, that h67 board that is listed will be fine?

All his video cards listed are nvidia, he has to use nvidia for some reason, his contract supplier or something, but always has nvidia in his estimates. So then I guess is the 570 so much better than the 560ti that it is worth the price if I want a very graphically stable system?

Scrapped the liquid cooling, so will the fans that it comes with good enough for what I need?

Thats fine yep. And I beleive the 570 is much better than the 560. If you allready had the 560 installed I would not reccoment you to swap it out for the 570 but being that this is not yet purchased and the games you want to play at those resolutions that card will be much better. :) . If he is getting things direct for the manufacture I would guess he could give you a better deal though.
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April 28, 2011 6:17:57 PM

I'll chat with him about why he must use the Nvidia, and if that is not the case, and he can use the others for the reasonably same pay scale, I'll look into the AMD 6950.

Also, when I go to newegg.com, and look around at the 570, there are like... 30 different models, all GeForce 570, made by Nvidia of course. But why all the different models and designs? Is there a different fan cooling system that is better on some than others, or is it just the brand name you are paying for? All the reviews generally are great, but that doesn't explain why I, not knowing the difference, should be partial to EVGA vs GIGABYTE vs ASUS...

I've always been worried about the overheating of computers that I've used. It happened once, and it destroyed me hahaha. So if the cooling is a big deal that is placed directly on them, then it would make a difference to me. I just don't see why there are SOO many different names, of the same exact graphics card.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 28, 2011 6:47:23 PM

its the nature of the market. mass branding allows the companies to play marketing games, in part because the market follows reviews so heavily. For example, lets say a review site tests several brands, and their respective cooling solutions and performance. The trusted review site will typically do a performance/cost analysis and determine their favorite. Introductory prices are typically very similar, so its usually performance based. In either case, an alarming number of people will see the review and conclude that they NEED to buy the favorite card, even if the prices have changed drastically. You would be amazed at how many people use tomshardware performance/price graphs to guide their purchase. This is my biggest complaint against tomshardware reviews. you must remake the performance/price chart yourself, based on the prices available to you, including tax and shipping.
this applies to you as well. you gotta find out what the 560 and 570 cost to YOU, not what they cost to someone buying parts individually from newegg.

please dont forget that a computer like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
offers better gaming performance than either system you were quoted.


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a b B Homebuilt system
April 28, 2011 8:06:45 PM

@ addison.
Please don't get a big head, Putting a compute together is not so difficualt.
The hard part is understanding the electronics.
Had given my 12 year son the Navy electronic correspondance course. During a parent-teacher meeting I found out that he was asking his teacher questions, had to have him stop and ask me. His Senior year he took a electronic class - After about three months when i ask what he did that day - answer - nothing. Went to shool and found out he had finish what was suppose to be a year class in three Months. He is now part owner of his electronics design firm. For time frame he graduated HS in 1984. His electronic kits required more than a nut driver and a screwdriver. His Junior year he took 2nd place in the regional science fair for some computer interface that he designed (not a kit).

Let us know when you have that double E, or BS in computer science.

For JackoDaddy5 and Me, It's not a question of can we, it's more do we want to1
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April 28, 2011 8:13:34 PM

genghiskron said:
its the nature of the market. mass branding allows the companies to play marketing games, in part because the market follows reviews so heavily. For example, lets say a review site tests several brands, and their respective cooling solutions and performance. The trusted review site will typically do a performance/cost analysis and determine their favorite. Introductory prices are typically very similar, so its usually performance based. In either case, an alarming number of people will see the review and conclude that they NEED to buy the favorite card, even if the prices have changed drastically. You would be amazed at how many people use tomshardware performance/price graphs to guide their purchase. This is my biggest complaint against tomshardware reviews. you must remake the performance/price chart yourself, based on the prices available to you, including tax and shipping.
this applies to you as well. you gotta find out what the 560 and 570 cost to YOU, not what they cost to someone buying parts individually from newegg.

please dont forget that a computer like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
offers better gaming performance than either system you were quoted.

Some of the price difference found in the computer you posted would be in the fact that there is no SSD. and it has the same CPU and still has a 560. So it is cheaper and will perfome the same I dont see were it would perform better though. I think if the OP were to take this build minus the 2500k and SSD it would be closer to that price. And if this persson is at his wifes work there should be no shipping so that would bring the 2 very close.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 28, 2011 8:33:55 PM

well if you actually read the thread carefully, you will notice that your statement is erroneous (the estimate is for a gtx 460 not a gtx 560ti) and that I have already covered the issue of the SSD in a previous post. I do not believe the SSD is a cost effective addition to a budget gaming build and I believe an i5-2400 paired with a gtx 560ti will yield higher framerates in most games than a stock speed (with no option to OC) i5-2500k paired with a gtx 460.
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April 28, 2011 8:50:44 PM

Is that seasonic 500w power supply ok if I downgrade to the i5-2500, but upgrade to the gtx 570? 8gigs DDR3, windows 7, get rid of the SSD, and do I still go with the Western Digital 500GB RAID Edition 16MB 7200 RPM SATA 2 Hard Drive? You guys have me questioning every thing this guy has mentioned haha.
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April 29, 2011 3:56:55 AM

Since I'm scrapping the SSD, partially to save money on something I don't need, and also because I just simply don't need it, is there a different type of hard drive that I should be grabbing?
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April 29, 2011 11:20:55 AM

This pc is goning to be REALLY costy you can make a decent one for like 900$ the build I have.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 29, 2011 11:36:38 AM

not really, id say the quoted HDD is fine. So what is your current plan? To submit an altered build request to nor-tech?
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April 29, 2011 1:13:18 PM

I'm going to send back what I'm thinking I may want to this guy, and see what he comes back with. If the price doesn't seem right, I'm going to either get the parts from new-egg, or buy a setup from new-egg that's ready to go.

Here's what I'm thinking.

i5-2500
one of the Coolermaster cases (not sure what yet, just one with good ventilation)
2 - Kingston DDR3 1333MHz MEMORY-4GB - Lifetime Warranty
GTX 570
Western Digital 500GB RAID Edition 16MB 7200 RPM SATA 2 Hard Drive
Kingston 96GB SNV425 SSDNow Series 2.5" SATA Connector Drive
Microsoft Keyboard & Optical mouse Desktop USB - Black
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/64Bit Media
INTEGRATED Intel Gigabit Lan
INTEGRATED SOUND
LiteOn DVDRW SATA 24x+/-, 8x+/-RW, 12x+/-R 16x48x24x48 Black
650 or 700Watt Power Supply, coolermaster or corsair (not sure which yet, just would rather be prepared than have the 500 eventually not be enough)

Anything else I'm missing? Vitals, or something else that would make it run better? And genghiskron, do you think that setup in your link would still run superior to the build that I have just provided, or am I starting to get it....?
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April 29, 2011 1:27:52 PM

Amd builds are chaper and about the same performance like a ati 6950 xfire and windows 7 home the rest is the stuff you want and you'll hav a awesome gaming pc/ 3d working.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 29, 2011 1:51:07 PM

I would try to ask for quotes with and without the Kingston 96gb SSD, and separate quotes with a gtx 460, gtx 560 or gtx 570. At retail, a gtx 570 goes for about $350, a gtx 560ti about $240, and a gtx 460 about $190. The SSD sells for $170. My personal recommendation is the gtx 560, but thats based on retail prices, not their prices There should be no reason why they cant be open about how much these parts and upgrades are going to cost you. You might also want to ask specifically about the i5-2500 vs 2500k situation, and whether you can potentially save any money with the downgrade (they might not carry the plain 2500, or the question might very well piss em off, who knows).
You may also want to see how much the Corsair CPU cooler is costing you. They may not be happy about taking it out, because they are the ones who have to replace the CPU if it fails. I really dont think the cpu cooler is that terrible of an idea (i dont know how hot your house gets in the summer) So i would tread around that one a bit more lightly.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 29, 2011 2:18:25 PM

Looks very good to me, I think you will be very happy.
Myself
SSD
I would go for a better - SSD Reviews of the one you listed are - OK as a midrange. For same price (abit lose 6 Gigs) the OCZ vertix -2 or agility would be a better choice. For $30 bucks more an oustaning lineup of 120 Gig SSDs (ie vertex-2 @ 200 (Currently on sale for $180). NOTE if you are not adverse to loading the operating system - drop the SSD altogether and buy yourself.

Ram
For almost the same price go with the DDR3-1600. NOTE very litle performance diff in speed and CL ratings. My rational - the 1600 uses a even Harmonic of your bclk.
My Choice, Ripjaws (Very popular) DDR3-1600, CL 8 @ 1.5 V: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case
Yes Ventilation is important, But also check front panel connectors, unless you like to crawl around to the back.
Not important now, but may be in a year is avail USB 3
Unk - If you need Firewire (rapaidly disapearing) and or esata.

Added: approx cost of parts (est, did not look up)
CPU 2500K (for 20 bucks no reason to down grade to 2500 - .....$200
HSF 212+ - ..................................................................................$45
MB P67 (H67 useless w/ dedicated GPU) - ...................................$100 -> $200
Ram - ...........................................................................................$50 -> $60
PSU - Good 650 W ......................................................................$ 70 -> $80
HDD - ...........................................................................................$60
SSD - .........................................................................................$180 -> $200
Case - ..........................................................................................$50 -> $75
DVD drive - ...................................................................................$30
Win 7 64 Bit - .............................................................................$100
Keyboard/Mouse - ........................................................................$50
Total ..........................................................................................$935 -> $1100
Forgot GPU so add .....................................................................$250 -> $350

Knocking down 2500K to 2500 represents only a decrease of 2% to 4$ of overall cost!!!
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April 29, 2011 2:31:41 PM

Great specs man that really gonna kill power though and A LOT of money.
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April 29, 2011 4:27:59 PM

addison said:
Great specs man that really gonna kill power though and A LOT of money.


Right, but when you turn 14 they will allow you to start working, and you'll be able to save money.

Chief, thank you for that estimate and ideas, really, really appreciate it.

Genghiskron, I don't care if those questions piss him off:)  I agree with you, and it's definately my right to know since I'm using him as a provider. I'm going to ask for a few different quotes and see what he has to say, thank you for your input.


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April 29, 2011 4:39:44 PM

Listen buy from tiger direct if there is a problem send it right back and you get a choice of a refund or another hardware item (same one)
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April 29, 2011 4:50:23 PM

Come on now youngster... There are scenarios and cases when you definately buy online, and there are cases when you support the local business. Go back and read the thread close, I've been pretty adamant about getting only GTX cards, and using this buyer, swinging back and forth from brands that he will provide for me. I do have the options of just buying a straight setup that is all ready to go, however, this is the computer guy for my wifes lawfirm. I am trying to go through him, without getting a terrible deal.

Now if I absolutely HAVE to buy online.. I will. But saving the $150, or $200 isn't worth pissing off the wifes company, or not shopping locally. I do appreciate your help here, but you have to respect what I'm trying to accomplish as well.
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April 29, 2011 4:50:39 PM

Yes and there are other reasons to buy locally, and 200 bucks is only a 20 % priemium (may even be pocket change - LOL) and sometimes preferable.

Anyway in response to "Tigerdirect" and other alternatives.
I also use tigerdirect, also use to use zipzoomfly.
Mostly end up ordering from Newegg. (I remember when they were Egghead and had a brick & morter store Hated it when the closed). They also had a QVC outlet store next door - wife went there, I when Egghead.

Another alternative - how close are you to a Microcenter, I've found them to be cheaper than newegg on many items - problem is requires in-store pickup. For me it's about 2 1/2 -> 3 hour drive, BUT there are two of them that are only 10 minutes out of my way when I visit my Son - One in Va just outside of DC and one in Maryland. Just google microcenter and use locator to see if one is close.

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PS on Keyboard and mouse. Of all places, I bought mine (wireless) from Biglots for $26. Love it. My wife is real fussy on keyboards, but she is using one - even bought a spare. Forget the brand, but normally sells for around $40.
Found it @ Newegg approx $47 (almost half price as biglots)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 29, 2011 5:11:28 PM

I actually told my wife that I didn't want the mouse and keyboard, but the guy told her it basically came with the estimate. The add keyboard and mouse in with all estimates for $12.. yeah $12.. haha. So I was like... ok, whatever.

I am so very tempted to buy straight from Newegg from everything that people have told me, and some of the great builds that genkhiskron has given me, I just keep going back to this 'trying to help the local business' thing.... just me being me I guess.
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